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8 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Your comment obviously shows that you do not understand the 'defund the police' call. 'Defund' is a complicated word and if taken literally would lead you to your statement.

 

Hint: It doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

It's one of the dog whistles for the alt right crowd.  Spewed constantly on the right wing media sites.  Sad some fall for the lies and propaganda.

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9 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Your comment obviously shows that you do not understand the 'defund the police' call. 'Defund' is a complicated word and if taken literally would lead you to your statement.

 

Hint: It doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

 

If you have to explain that a slogan doesn't mean what it seems to mean, then it's a terrible slogan. It should be retired.

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4 hours ago, placeholder said:

If you have to explain that a slogan doesn't mean what it seems to mean, then it's a terrible slogan. It should be retired.

I have to agree.  The intent--shifting money to services dealing with mental health, addiction, homelessness, etc.--was good, but it was a terrible choice for a slogan.

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8 hours ago, J Town said:

You obviously listen to the Fox/Newsmax/OAN lies. "Defund the police" means to allocate the funds to organizations that would then handle cases the police shouldn't. It was an unfortunate term, has been explained innumerable times as I've just explained to you. Will you listen and learn?

Well it was a stupid phrase to use.

 

Yes I think people using it understood what it meant was to reallocate funds to mental health etc.

But really, anyone with half a brain cell could have predicted how that phrase would be used against them!

 

Pretty sure that phrase alone, cost quite a few Democrats their seat last November.

 

Bumper sticker one liners are not always the smartest way to make a point!

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6 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Well it was a stupid phrase to use.

 

Yes I think people using it understood what it meant was to reallocate funds to mental health etc.

But really, anyone with half a brain cell could have predicted how that phrase would be used against them!

 

Pretty sure that phrase alone, cost quite a few Democrats their seat last November.

 

Bumper sticker one liners are not always the smartest way to make a point!

Not the smartest way to make a point when those against it are so dumb.

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3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Not the smartest way to make a point when those against it are so dumb.

Personally I believe the phrase 'defund the police' is no longer  misunderstood as it has been clarified so many times'; just members and others leveraging the term for political propaganda / trolling. Naturally there might be instances with some of utter stupidity.

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23 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

The problem with that is we live in age where it really doesn't matter what reality is, it's more what you 'believe' reality to be.

 

So you and I can understand what the phrase means, but if someone on the other side 'believes' it to mean take all money away from the police, thats reality for them.

 

And this isn't about intelligence, Colbert had it right when he said; It's about Truthyism, it's what you feel to be true!

 

Now this wasn't a phrase cooked up on the street, some political strategist in Manhatten must have thought it was a really good one liner, without thought to how it could be used against the underlying ideals

 

Thanks. Never heard of Colbert and 'truthyism', so looked it up - may be of interest to some others...

 

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/stephen-colbert-scientific-pioneer-the-truth-in-truthiness-3c06be69a234/

 

 

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12 hours ago, placeholder said:

If you have to explain that a slogan doesn't mean what it seems to mean, then it's a terrible slogan. It should be retired.

Yes, really bad slogan.  Biden doesn't want anything to do with it.

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8 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Consider all the security when they have big events such as the State of the Union, or the inauguration. They have aircraft above and a perimeter set up.

 

For this they had virtually nothing. They knew they had thousands of angry people who felt the election had been stolen from their candidate, yet there was virtually no security.

 

The Capitol Police answer to congress. This entire mess has Pelosi's and McConnell's fingerprints all over it.

 

Six hours of paralysis: Inside Trump’s failure to act after a mob stormed the Capitol

Hiding from the rioters in a secret location away from the Capitol, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) appealed to Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) phoned Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter.

And Kellyanne Conway, a longtime Trump confidante and former White House senior adviser, called an aide who she knew was standing at the president’s side.

But as senators and House members trapped inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday begged for immediate help during the siege, they struggled to get through to the president, who — safely ensconced in the West Wing — was too busy watching fiery TV images of the crisis unfolding around them to act or even bother to hear their pleas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mob-failure/2021/01/11/36a46e2e-542e-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

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3 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Six hours of paralysis: Inside Trump’s failure to act after a mob stormed the Capitol

Hiding from the rioters in a secret location away from the Capitol, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) appealed to Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) phoned Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter.

And Kellyanne Conway, a longtime Trump confidante and former White House senior adviser, called an aide who she knew was standing at the president’s side.

But as senators and House members trapped inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday begged for immediate help during the siege, they struggled to get through to the president, who — safely ensconced in the West Wing — was too busy watching fiery TV images of the crisis unfolding around them to act or even bother to hear their pleas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mob-failure/2021/01/11/36a46e2e-542e-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

Damning stuff. But we knew he was unfit for the presidency already.

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10 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

it seems like a few congress men and congress women feared for their life, and this is the main justification for the impeachment

 

it seems like they couldn't care less about the rest,

Actually if any member of Congress couldn 't care less about the rest, it's those numerous Republicans who refuse to wear masks. They're heroes fighting for the right to infect others.

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