Popular Post Bender Rodriguez Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-have-triggered-severe-allergic-reactions-in-29-people-in-u-s-to-date-11609956076 source: The Wall Street Journal many other credible sources : https://www.google.com/search?q=Covid-19+Vaccines+Have+Triggered+Severe+Allergic+Reactions+in+29+People+in+U.S. Edited January 9, 2021 by Bender Rodriguez 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crossy Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 For a sense of proportion, how many people have received the vaccination? 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy from Kent Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Is you goal to get people to avoid getting vaccinated? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bender Rodriguez Posted January 9, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Andy from Kent said: Is you goal to get people to avoid getting vaccinated? NO, everybody does what they want ANYWAY it is to inform people, can news like this not be posted ? if you are not sick, why take a risk do you have to be blind for reality ? Edited January 9, 2021 by Bender Rodriguez 3 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 29 cases out of 5.3 million. Wow. You do know how many people have died of covid ? 9 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, robblok said: 29 cases out of 5.3 million. Wow. You do know how many people have died of covid ? is The Wall Street Journal a credible sources or not ? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 Just now, Bender Rodriguez said: is The Wall Street Journal a credible sources or not ? Really credible, i just added the number of vaccination to put it into porportions 5.3 million people 29 cases. The covid death rate is 1,4% now imagine add ad 90% protection and you saved 66780 people Ok it will be less because not everyone gets COVID. But still a huge amount of people would be saved compared to 29 reactions. Im sure they rather have an severe allergic reaction then death. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 does news like this have to be CENSORED even with reliable international source(s) ? 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crossy Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said: is The Wall Street Journal a credible sources or not ? Perfectly credible, but 29 out of 5.3 million doses is 5.5 x 10-4 %. The chance of being struck by lightning in the US is about 2 x 10-4 % So you are basically about 1/2 as likely to be struck by lightning as you are to develop severe alergic reactions to the vaccine (and a lot more likely to die from the lightning strike). I'll take my chances with the vaccine. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 From the WSJ report: "The 29 cases are as of Jan. 5 and are out of more than 5.3 million doses that have been administered given to date, the CDC said. The rate of 5.5 cases of anaphylaxis, a life-threatening allergic reaction, for every one million Covid-19 vaccine doses administered to date compares with the rate of 1.3 cases for every one million doses of flu vaccine, according to the CDC. Still, the cases of anaphylaxis are “exceedingly rare,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, who is leading the agency’s Covid-19 vaccination efforts." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crossy Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said: does news like this have to be CENSORED even with reliable international source(s) ? I see no censorship. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JWRC Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, robblok said: Really credible, i just added the number of vaccination to put it into porportions 5.3 million people 29 cases. The covid death rate is 1,4% now imagine add ad 90% protection and you saved 66780 people Ok it will be less because not everyone gets COVID. But still a huge amount of people would be saved compared to 29 reactions. Im sure they rather have an severe allergic reaction then death. To my way of thinking you cannot say that anyone has been saved, let us remember the facts, 1) No one knows yet if the vaccines work and 2) Will there be any long term side effects. The vaccines are a quick fix, but are not tried and tested in the usual way namely 8 - 12 years of testing. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhaoYai Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) A tiny proportion of patients have an allergic reaction and to the best of my knowledge none of them have died through that reaction. The people who had an allergic reaction in the UK for example were those that often had reactions to other drugs. All of them were fully recovered within 24 hours - can the same be said of people who get sick with Covid? Edited January 9, 2021 by KhaoYai 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, JWRC said: To my way of thinking you cannot say that anyone has been saved, let us remember the facts, 1) No one knows yet if the vaccines work and 2) Will there be any long term side effects. The vaccines are a quick fix, but are not tried and tested in the usual way namely 8 - 12 years of testing. Information technology and medical science being what it is today, 10-12 years evaluation is no longer warranted or necessary. It's a bit like mobile phones, 20-30 years ago they looked like house bricks. Now, they have more computing power than older mainframes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhaoYai Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said: if you are not sick, why take a risk A very strange comment, do you understand the purpose of a vaccine? I don't think I was sick when I had my smallpox vaccination when I was a kid and thanks to the vaccine, I never got Smallpox. 11 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWRC Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lacessit said: Information technology and medical science being what it is today, 10-12 years evaluation is no longer warranted or necessary. It's a bit like mobile phones, 20-30 years ago they looked like house bricks. Now, they have more computing power than older mainframes. Well I won;t be thinking about mobile phones when I make my decision, medical science is indeed a mystery, still no cure for the common cold, so I won't be holding my breath for any great results from the vaccine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, KhaoYai said: A very strange comment, do you understand the purpose of a vaccine? I don't think I was sick when I had my smallpox vaccination when I was a kid and thanks to the vaccine, I never got Smallpox. Exactly, it's a vaccine not an antidote. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 45 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said: is The Wall Street Journal a credible sources or not ? He didn't dispute that, answer his question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said: does news like this have to be CENSORED even with reliable international source(s) ? Are you from Urk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dumbastheycome Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 No doubt there are statistical records of how many among multiple millions who have received long tried ,true and proven vaccines for many diseases and have presented with similar or perhaps fatal allergic reactions. Due to the overall effectiveness vaccination programs are an annual event mostly ignored even negative media. The controversial speed and media attention given to the C-19 vaccines has yet to actually reveal any significant problems disproportionate to any other.( Non C-19 related vaccine) I have read one account of what was purported to be "severe reaction" involved short lived hyper-ventilation and rapid heartbeat. Anxiety attack due to too much negative propaganda? If people in significant numbers start dropping dead an hour or two after a vaccination I would be concerned. I am more interested in hearing of mass recipient sustained immunity than a minimal number of reports about relatively minor observations! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Bender Rodriguez said: if you are not sick, why take a risk I was not sick with Measles, Rubella or whooping cough as a baby. Still had the vaccination. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: No doubt there are statistical records of how many among multiple millions who have received long tried ,true and proven vaccines for many diseases and have presented with similar or perhaps fatal allergic reactions. Due to the overall effectiveness vaccination programs are an annual event mostly ignored even negative media. The controversial speed and media attention given to the C-19 vaccines has yet to actually reveal any significant problems disproportionate to any other.( Non C-19 related vaccine) I have read one account of what was purported to be "severe reaction" involved short lived hyper-ventilation and rapid heartbeat. Anxiety attack due to too much negative propaganda? If people in significant numbers start dropping dead an hour or two after a vaccination I would be concerned. I am more interested in hearing of mass recipient sustained immunity than a minimal number of reports about relatively minor observations! Good heavens, you are being logical. Don't you know that is frowned upon by some? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 hours ago, JWRC said: To my way of thinking you cannot say that anyone has been saved, let us remember the facts, 1) No one knows yet if the vaccines work and 2) Will there be any long term side effects. The vaccines are a quick fix, but are not tried and tested in the usual way namely 8 - 12 years of testing. The vaccines work, or they would not have been approved. What is not yet known is how long lasting the antibody response is. Possibly 6 to 18 months, but by that time they are likely to be modifying the current crop of vaccines in th virus mutates too much. Most likley, there will be yearly jabs required, but by that time covid should be more mild than it is now. Just as the 1918 H1N1 virus is still around, albiet, quite different from the original. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Shut up Bender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Lacessit said: Good heavens, you are being logical. Don't you know that is frowned upon by some? Ooops! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nout Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-have-triggered-severe-allergic-reactions-in-29-people-in-u-s-to-date-11609956076 source: The Wall Street Journal many other credible sources : https://www.google.com/search?q=Covid-19+Vaccines+Have+Triggered+Severe+Allergic+Reactions+in+29+People+in+U.S. A tiny proportion. Good news. More people get allergic reactions to strawberries. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nout Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 4 hours ago, JWRC said: Well I won;t be thinking about mobile phones when I make my decision, medical science is indeed a mystery, still no cure for the common cold, so I won't be holding my breath for any great results from the vaccine. 'holding your breath'....555...what a wheeze!...chest a minute..!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 For crying out loud, I've had so many vaccines in my life I resemble a pincushion. I'm still here at age 77 in reasonable health, except for an inability to suffer fools gladly. I probably stand a much better chance of being struck by lightning on a golf course, or eaten by a shark if I go for a swim. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nout Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said: NO, everybody does what they want ANYWAY it is to inform people, can news like this not be posted ? if you are not sick, why take a risk do you have to be blind for reality ? 'If you are not sick why take the risk?'..Its called preventative medicine. The whole point of vaccinations are to prevent people from getting sick. I don't believe in censorship but giving a platform to ill informed, damaging idiocy makes one understand the importance of measured moderation and content checking....'why take the risk if you're not already sick'.....incredible...you couldn't make it up..555 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inn Between Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said: is The Wall Street Journal a credible sources or not ? Their credibility gained respect in my eyes when a large group of editors there called for Trump's resignation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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