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3 minutes ago, Credo said:

There are some indications that the incursion was pre-planned.  It's going to take some time to ferret out who and what happened, but there are indications they had some command and control.   Even if it wasn't well-planned, evidence of pre-planning is serious.   

 

Yes three congressmen have been named as helping with logistics on locations. They deny it of course.

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The Buffalo Horns guy (aka Jacob Chansley, aka Jake Angeli, aka the Odin of A$$holes) is currently in a detention facility after attempting to overthrow the legitimate government of the United States.

He may or may not end up in prison but what we do know is that Mr. trump knows that he will be fighting legal assaults for the rest of his life starting January 20. Clearly the chance that he could go

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Really? Do you have a source for that?

 

Read it recently in a "what could have happened" article. Let me see if I can track it down again.

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8 hours ago, Virt said:

As each day passes by, new names are added to the list.

Just read olympic goldmedalist Klete Keller also entered the capitol, but didn't seem to be violent though.

 

How are they supposed to punish the violent protesters vs those not using violence.

Are they going to prosecute everyone that entered that building, or just those that they can prove used violence?

 

What is a fair solution?

You're over thinking this. Different charges for different people depending on the evidence. Of course everyone charged has a right to defend herself. You know.  Rule of law. Normality. 

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7 minutes ago, shdmn said:

I'm wondering if that is what they are investigating Don Jr. for?  There seems to be some buzz about that but no public statements yet.

Don Jr is almost definitely going to be pardoned by Daddy. On the other hand I doubt this will help his political ambitions.

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14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Really? Do you have a source for that?

 

Sorry, have read so many articles can't find the specific one I was thinking of but from an explanation of how it works written for us Antipodeans back in December:

 

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The votes for president and vice-president are counted and the electors sign six "Certificates of the Vote".

Each certificate is paired with a certificate from the governor detailing the state's vote totals, with each pair then sent to various officials.

The most important copy is sent to the current President of the Senate — Vice-President Mike Pence. This is the copy that will be officially counted later.

Two copies go to the secretary of state in the elector's state, two are sent to the Archivist of the United States, and one is sent to the federal judge in the district where the electors have assembled.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/us-electoral-college-vote-joe-biden-donald-trump-president/12969538

 

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14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don Jr is almost definitely going to be pardoned by Daddy. On the other hand I doubt this will help his political ambitions.

I don't think you can be pardoned for sedition.

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One characteristic of a Trumper (I'm using this word at the risk of getting my account suspended, as it has happened under similar circumstance when I called them the "Trumpettes") is the uncanny ease, second-nature almost with which they pivot from fact to counterfact that seem to have channeled down to them in their sleep from Mt. Sinai. Yeah, this is not sedition, not a coup, blahblahblah. On the other hand, the argument about "what if this were a BLM bunch of rioters..." that keeps popping up only helps to mask the true nature of what amounted to a coup d'etat happening in reverse (from inside out.) BLM is about race, this one is about sedition. It's comparing apples to oranges and it's the kind of deflection that has served Trump well. If this mob were all blacks, Trump would have embraced them as well a la "I love the uneducated." Unfortunately for him the black mob got together and kicked all the GOP off their seats, Trump included so he couldn't corral them the way he did with the "uneducated" (white) mob.

 

NJ Rep. Mikie Sherrill just posted a facebook video in which she draws a line against the insurgent side, in the process she denounced the congressmen who had given "recon" tours to the would be insurgents the day before (Jan 05). Earlier on I posted a link (quickly taken down by mod) to a Michael Moore podcast in which Rep Dan Kildee of Michigan also mentioned that on that day he saw a number of congressmen ("new and existing") giving tour inside the Capitol to some of the "red hats." Some of his colleagues witnessed the same incident and were concerned to the point of telling their staff not to come to work on Wednesday. 

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9 hours ago, watthong said:

One characteristic of a Trumper
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TRUMPER (noun) definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary

 

The evolution of words describing the fans of Mr. trump and his movement has interested me for a long time.

A number of these words are very widely used in speech and media and have already appeared in dictionaries but I think their future is in flux.

In other words, which of the many of them will become more dominant leaving the others to obscurity? 

There are also scads of more slang type words that serve similar functions that have also been widely used in the press. Such as "trumpy" as an adjective, for example to describe another politician, policy, or even style of dress, etc.

From my POV, it's normal and natural for language to evolve in this way. While I often use the phrase trump fans or the trump movement to serve these functions, one word would be much better.  Mr. trump, horrible as he has proven to be, is still without a doubt an extremely consequential president and the movement he has represented has become a major force in both American and world politics. Another example of this kind of thing is Peron of Argentina. To this day politicians there are still described as Peronist. 

 

TRUMPIST (adjective) definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary

 

TRUMPISM (noun) definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary

 

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22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

TRUMPER (noun) definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary

 

The evolution of words describing the fans of Mr. trump and his movement has interested me for a long time.

A number of these words are very widely used in speech and media and have already appeared in dictionaries but I think their future is in flux.

In other words, which of the many of them will become more dominant leaving the others to obscurity? 

There are also scads of more slang type words that serve similar functions that have also been widely used in the press. Such as "trumpy" as an adjective, for example to describe another politician, policy, or even style of dress, etc.

From my POV, it's normal and natural for language to evolve in this way. While I often use the phrase trump fans or the trump movement to serve these functions, one word would be much better.  Mr. trump, horrible as he has proven to be, is still without a doubt an extremely consequential president and the movement he has represented has become a major force in both American and world politics. Another example of this kind of thing is Peron of Argentina. To this day politicians there are still described as Peronist. 

 

TRUMPIST (adjective) definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary

 

TRUMPISM (noun) definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary

 

+ "Trumpesque" or "Trump-esque"

Trumpesque rowdy diplomacy? (iol.co.za)

Far-right president Bolsonaro puts Trump-esque stamp on Brazil in first week - Hold na Mídia - Hold (holdassessoria.com.br)

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20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There are scads of such new words. However, from my reading, Trumpist has become the most dominant. 

I was using Trumpets until it I was warned off by the moderator.

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Another surprise coming from Trump:

Scoop: Trump falsely blames Antifa for Capitol insurrection

Behind the scenes: In a tense, 30-minute-plus phone call this morning with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Trump trotted out the Antifa line.

  • McCarthy would have none of it, telling the president: "It's not Antifa, it's MAGA. I know. I was there," according to a White House official and another source familiar with the call.

https://www.axios.com/trump-falsely-blames-antifa-for-capitol-riot-bab4943c-d465-4d05-ae36-1e8d1437f168.html

 

OK, maybe not such a big surprise.

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