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Yes, and if you actually took the time to read the story, it quotes - "When the age and size of the population is taken into account 2020 saw the worst overall death rates since the mid 2000s."  

I'm a bit disappointed, all the scare stories were leading me to expect 50% of the population to die. Then I would have been able to afford to return and buy a house, as housing prices would have

Not really. When you consider the UK counts all deaths 28 days after a positive Covid test (even if the person fell off a ladder) we don't know the true number of actual Covid deaths. Also all those p

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43 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

So, bringing in WW2 and not taking in population growth into account is more scare mongering than anything else.

Eh?  I'm not scaremongering at all.  I am simply showing that the conspiracy theorists that claims there have been no more deaths than average are wrong.  I didn't 'bring in' WW2 - the BBC did. I suggest you ask them why their headine refers to WW2.

 

Whichever way you look at it, there have been far more deaths - Covid 19 is very real.

 

I note the graph I mentioned in my earlier post has now appeared in the link.

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1 minute ago, treetops said:

What happened in the mid 2000s that made the death rate worse than last year?

It wasn't. There was an increase, don't know why - possibly flu but the graph clearly shows 2020 as being the highest - see the end point.

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1 minute ago, KhaoYai said:

It wasn't. There was an increase, don't know why - possibly flu but the graph clearly shows 2020 as being the highest - see the end point.

 

Yes, the graph shows the raw figures, but the article says if you take into account population growth and age it was worse in the mid 2000s.  I can't think of anything that significant over multiple years from back then but would like to know what it was.

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2 minutes ago, treetops said:

 

Yes, the graph shows the raw figures, but the article says if you take into account population growth and age it was worse in the mid 2000s.  I can't think of anything that significant over multiple years from back then but would like to know what it was.

Ok, understand now.  I can't be sure but I seem to remember a large increase in flu related deaths not so long back - hence why we are all being encouraged to have our flu jabs now.

 

The reason will be given in the ONS figures but good luck with trying to find it.

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The UK were not testing everyone during the early days for covid. Especially in elderly homes. 
 

81,000 is the current official figure, but when you take into account the unexplained excess deaths it shows that covid has probably killed over 100,000 in the UK.

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4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Not really. When you consider the UK counts all deaths 28 days after a positive Covid test (even if the person fell off a ladder) we don't know the true number of actual Covid deaths.

Hence the most reliable figure is excess deaths. The true figures will never be known but the + or - on average gives a good indication.

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3 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

this will put paid to the Conspiracy Theorists claims -

This is unfortunately not true. It is impossible for fools to change their mind. It is the opposite of critical thinking and skepitcality. Once a conspiracy idea has been formulated, no logic, evidence or argument can change it

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42 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Hence the most reliable figure is excess deaths. The true figures will never be known but the + or - on average gives a good indication.

 

Well, looking at the graph of deaths per 100.000 population, in your own link:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

 

2020 deaths were comparatively MUCH lower than around the year 2000...

 

this is not to say that people don't die from covid, but it puts things into perspective, covid is not causing much deaths.

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46 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Not really. When you consider the UK counts all deaths 28 days after a positive Covid test (even if the person fell off a ladder) we don't know the true number of actual Covid deaths. Also all those people who died from other causes because they didn't receive the care they needed will have added to the excess death rate. This is highlighted in the report linked by the OP. 

 

 

 

THat's not actually right. The main way is by checking EXCESS deaths and for comparison deaths per 100k of population.furhermore UK has only just started mass testing. 

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3 minutes ago, tgw said:

Well, looking at the graph of deaths per 100.000 population, in your own link:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

 

2020 deaths were comparatively MUCH lower than around the year 2000...

 

That's another new graph that's been added to the article and shows death rates, not actual deaths.  I don't know what to make of it either.

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