U.S. executes first woman on federal death row in nearly seven decades

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8 hours ago, Tug said:

Donald must be proud 

Lets hope they are just making sure there is a "suite" available for Donald next week!

[Proboscis 2,359]

5 hours ago, animalmagic said:

The very fact that she strangled an 8 month pregnant woman to death before cutting out the foetus would suggest that she has mental issues in the first place.  From the reported abuse we can only guess at her mental trauma and status and I do not see any necessity to carry out the execution.  I am trying to remember which other political movement executed individuals who were mentally incapacitated??

The level of abuse that this woman experienced as a pre-teen, including repeated rape by her own father, was never taken into account. Her half-sister was taken into foster care and survived without being abused and is a fully functioning member of society today. The state for whatever reason did not take Lisa Montgomery as a child into care. It is the state that holds responsibility here, as well as her by now long dead parents and others who abused her.

[AndyFoxy 225]

Glad she’s gone. Sounds like a nasty woman.

[unblocktheplanet 353]

Ethel Rosenberg in Sing Sing's electric chair in 1953. Her own brother gave perjured testimony against her in return for clemency.

 

 

It was reported that the lights in Ossining NY dimmed every time it was used.

 

Really, have we as human beings not progressed to be better than this?

[animalmagic 2,798]

3 hours ago, Pilotman said:

nobody who murders is right mentally, so that is no excuse nor mitigation.  

My comments, for which you show such disdain, were written even without full knowledge of the horrendous way she was abused as a child by her family.  Now, having read the account of her childhood as posted by dexterm above, I am even more convinced that the carrying out of the execution was totally wrong and unjustified.

 

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23 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

My comments, for which you show such disdain, were written even without full knowledge of the horrendous way she was abused as a child by her family.  Now, having read the account of her childhood as posted by dexterm above, I am even more convinced that the carrying out of the execution was totally wrong and unjustified.

 

BS. What she did was at the extreme end of depraved and evil. she  is better off dead.  There is no excuse for that she did to that poor woman, and did it knowingly and premeditatedly.  Absolutely no sympathy. I reserve all my sadness and sympathy for that poor victim of her evil. 

[animalmagic 2,798]

9 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

BS. What she did was at the extreme end of depraved and evil. she  is better off dead.  There is no excuse for that she did to that poor woman, and did it knowingly and premeditatedly.  Absolutely no sympathy. I reserve all my sadness and sympathy for that poor victim of her evil. 

Happy to see you taking the intellectual approach to polite discourse and differences of opinion, and screaming BS in capital letters when confronted with an opinion differing from yours. 

The act may be deranged and evil but the mental state of the person committing a crime is always relevant to the punishment in any civilised society.  

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11 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Why should I care that this horrible human was put to death? 

Who asked you to care?

[mvdf 273]

Pro-life fanatics deliberately turning a blind eye to those final nightmarish moments of Bobbie Jo Stinnett's life. She was heinously and cruelly slaughtered.

 

Oh she was abused.. oh she didn't have a good childhood.. oh she didn't get a good and proper defense... oh this oh that.

 

Criminals of such unparalleled evil nature deserve to be exterminated. Obliterated. Destroyed. 

[animalmagic 2,798]

9 hours ago, mvdf said:

Pro-life fanatics deliberately turning a blind eye to those final nightmarish moments of Bobbie Jo Stinnett's life. She was heinously and cruelly slaughtered.

 

Oh she was abused.. oh she didn't have a good childhood.. oh she didn't get a good and proper defense... oh this oh that.

 

Criminals of such unparalleled evil nature deserve to be exterminated. Obliterated. Destroyed. 

This is how you define 'not having a good childhood'?!

As a 3 year old she shared a bed while her 8 year old sister was being raped by her babysitter. Then at 11 began years of herself being raped, sodomised and having her head smashed by her drunken stepfather in a secret room that wouldn't reveal her screams.  Where was the mother's love and care? She caught the stepfather once and held a gun to her daughter's head blaming the abused child. 

"Over time, the abuse expanded. Montgomery’s stepfather invited friends round to gang rape her in the room – ordeals that would last for hours and end with the men urinating on her like she was trash. Her mother got in on the act too, selling Montgomery’s body to the plumber and the electrician whenever she needed odd jobs doing." (Quoted from dexterm's post)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/lisa-montgomery-death-row-execution-history

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12 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Really, have we as human beings not progressed to be better than this?

 

Sure.

 

The former Blackwater guards Trump pardoned were convicted of killing 14 Iraqi civilians, including 2 children

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/blackwater-guards-trump-pardoned-shot-killed-civilians-2-kids-2020-12

 

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How authoritarian or backward a country is is demonstrated by their use of the death penalty.  Trump is clearly out of his mind

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22 hours ago, animalmagic said:

This is how you define 'not having a good childhood'?!

As a 3 year old she shared a bed while her 8 year old sister was being raped by her babysitter. Then at 11 began years of herself being raped, sodomised and having her head smashed by her drunken stepfather in a secret room that wouldn't reveal her screams.  Where was the mother's love and care? She caught the stepfather once and held a gun to her daughter's head blaming the abused child. 

"Over time, the abuse expanded. Montgomery’s stepfather invited friends round to gang rape her in the room – ordeals that would last for hours and end with the men urinating on her like she was trash. Her mother got in on the act too, selling Montgomery’s body to the plumber and the electrician whenever she needed odd jobs doing." (Quoted from dexterm's post)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/lisa-montgomery-death-row-execution-history

 

True true... let's all just focus then on poor Lisa Montgomery's plight and her sad love-deprived life. Forget Bobby Joe Stinnett and how she had a Caesarean section so very professionally performed on her by sweet Lisa. Astonishing how a mentally imbalanced creature can recollect, with unparalleled clarity that would put the latest video recorders to shame, events she claimed to have happened when she was just 3 years old, all in the name of using such events to excuse the crime or to achieve an exoneration. 

 

If those events, as retold by the Guardian above, were true, they neither exculpate her nor invalidate the penalty handed down by a jury of her peers. 

 

Richard Chaney, 38, a childhood friend and classmate of Ms. Stinnett’s, recalled biking to the local gas station with her, describing how in high school she had a “huge crush” on the man who would later become her husband. Mr. Chaney rejected the idea that the abuse suffered by Ms. Montgomery should have led to her life being spared, saying many people endured trauma without committing heinous crimes. “You don’t see them out killing pregnant women and cutting babies out,” he said. 

 

Excerpt from "U.S. Executes Lisa Montgomery for 2004 Murder". The New York Times. Jan. 13, 2021.

 

Indeed, indeed. 

 

The US Supreme Court rejected her lawyer's pleas for mercy at the 11th hour. The learned justices of that great Court wouldn't have done so if there truly were mitigating issues outweighing the ultimate penalty.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, mvdf said:

 

True true... let's all just focus then on poor Lisa Montgomery's plight and her sad love-deprived life. Forget Bobby Joe Stinnett and how she had a Caesarean section so very professionally performed on her by sweet Lisa. Astonishing how a mentally imbalanced creature can recollect, with unparalleled clarity that would put the latest video recorders to shame, events she claimed to have happened when she was just 3 years old, all in the name of using such events to excuse the crime or to achieve an exoneration. 

 

If those events, as retold by the Guardian above, were true, they neither exculpate her nor invalidate the penalty handed down by a jury of her peers. 

 

Richard Chaney, 38, a childhood friend and classmate of Ms. Stinnett’s, recalled biking to the local gas station with her, describing how in high school she had a “huge crush” on the man who would later become her husband. Mr. Chaney rejected the idea that the abuse suffered by Ms. Montgomery should have led to her life being spared, saying many people endured trauma without committing heinous crimes. “You don’t see them out killing pregnant women and cutting babies out,” he said. 

 

Excerpt from "U.S. Executes Lisa Montgomery for 2004 Murder". The New York Times. Jan. 13, 2021.

 

Indeed, indeed. 

 

The US Supreme Court rejected her lawyer's pleas for mercy at the 11th hour. The learned justices of that great Court wouldn't have done so if there truly were mitigating issues outweighing the ultimate penalty.

 

 

The question is what civilized country has the death penalty, regardless of the killers motive and the victims consequences,  in place for learned justices to even sentence or consider appeals on? Most western countries practice humanity and know we are not them, and need to be better than them. 

 

Edited Saturday at 12:56 AM by Roadman

[animalmagic 2,798]

1 hour ago, mvdf said:

 

True true... let's all just focus then on poor Lisa Montgomery's plight and her sad love-deprived life. Forget Bobby Joe Stinnett and how she had a Caesarean section so very professionally performed on her by sweet Lisa. Astonishing how a mentally imbalanced creature can recollect, with unparalleled clarity that would put the latest video recorders to shame, events she claimed to have happened when she was just 3 years old, all in the name of using such events to excuse the crime or to achieve an exoneration. 

 

If those events, as retold by the Guardian above, were true, they neither exculpate her nor invalidate the penalty handed down by a jury of her peers. 

 

Richard Chaney, 38, a childhood friend and classmate of Ms. Stinnett’s, recalled biking to the local gas station with her, describing how in high school she had a “huge crush” on the man who would later become her husband. Mr. Chaney rejected the idea that the abuse suffered by Ms. Montgomery should have led to her life being spared, saying many people endured trauma without committing heinous crimes. “You don’t see them out killing pregnant women and cutting babies out,” he said. 

 

Excerpt from "U.S. Executes Lisa Montgomery for 2004 Murder". The New York Times. Jan. 13, 2021.

 

Indeed, indeed. 

 

The US Supreme Court rejected her lawyer's pleas for mercy at the 11th hour. The learned justices of that great Court wouldn't have done so if there truly were mitigating issues outweighing the ultimate penalty.

 

 

In one paragraph you attempt to cast doubt on the reporting of the Guardian by saying 'if those reports were true', but then use a childhood friend's recollection of a bike ride to disprove the idea that she had suffered trauma and abuse.  

People who suffer trauma at an early age are capable of vivid recollection of the events; that is what trauma does to you.  I suffered no trauma like she suffered but did have a vary traumatic experience at the age of 3 which I can still, even though advanced in years, remember in great detail.  Her trauma started at the age of 3 and carried on for much of her early life which would make it easy for any person to remember clearly.

I feel her execution was unnecessary and much could have been learned from in depth psychological examination of her and her history.  This knowledge could help many others.

I agree the murder was horrific but feel there are individuals who commit murder for personal gain or emotional and financial profit for whom such a punishment may be justified.