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10 courageous republicans willing to put country and dare I say their political careers on the line kudos true patriots well he’s been charged twice now let’s get this epic failure of a president conv

Unfortunately, Democrats won what they were trying to win. It was a horrible slugfest as predicted from the very beginning, and they narrowly squeaked out their goal. Right or wrong, they got it. 

It's nice to see you accepting the situation with equanimity.  It's just a shame that so many Republican voters and lawmakers were unable to accept this back in November when it was more than clear th

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7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

If I read this correctly, even if the impeachment proceeds are successfully challenged in court, it still leaves trump subject to  charges and prosecution for inserection in the legal system   after he leaves office. 

"Trump Could Face Prosecution for Inciting Capitol Riot After Leaving Office, D.C. AG Suggests "

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-could-face-prosecution-inciting-capitol-riot-after-leaving-office-dc-ag-suggests-1560628

if that is the case he can be removed under the provisions of the 14th amendment , section 3

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Section 3
 

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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Trump is certainly liable for prosecution for incitement to insurrection, however he would have to be convicted.  If you listen carefully to his incitement speech it is not quite so definitely incriminating as it sounded at first, even though his intent is clear enough to those of us not inclined to give him the benefit of any doubt.  I think it would be difficult to convict him based on the content of that speech.

 

However, Trump would be safe from federal prosecution if Pence were to pardon him.  That doesn't look so likely at the moment, but I will nevertheless breathe a sigh of relief if it hasn't happened by Jan. 20.  A self-pardon won't protect him.

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1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

Unfortunately, trying the President for impeachment after he has left office is probably unconstitutional.  If McConnell were serious about getting rid of Trump he and Schumer would have called the Senate back into emergency session to conduct the trial before Trump leaves office.  

 

The Impeachment Clause, Article II, Section 4 states:

 

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

It seems pretty clear that the point of impeachment is removal from office.  A former president cannot be removed from office and is therefore not subject to impeachment.

 

Therefore, if the Senate goes ahead and tries Trump after Jan. 20 and if, big "If," they can muster a two thirds vote in the Senate to convict, I expect a court will subsequently overturn the conviction.

 

I understand the case that is being made for the opposite view, but I think it is weak.

It is actually a smart move not to call the Senate back and delay the trail as much as possible. 

Imagine if the called the Senate back and didn't get the 2/3 majority vote. 

That would be a big win for Trump and all hell would break out on the inauguration day on January 20th.

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Listen carefully to that single speech as you like, it’s not the only piece of evidence.

 

His speeches, tweets, statements to people, calls to people and actions/inactions are the evidence.

 

I understand that.  Nevertheless, getting a conviction on incitement of insurrection is not going to be a slam dunk.

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2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

I understand that.  Nevertheless, getting a conviction on incitement of insurrection is not going to be a slam dunk.

That of course depends upon the evidence/testimony and it’s for the future.

 

Right now Trump is once again impeached and those amongst his followers who attacked the Capitol are being arrested and charged.

 

Words have consequences and we’ve now arrived at the ‘serous consequences’

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