Britain denies wanting to reduce workers' rights post-Brexit

[elliss]

2 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

     I was a council sweeper ,  i had all the qualifications , failed six O levels .

   However that said .

  I knew the mechanical advantage of a brush n shovel.

Phoned our gaffer up , .told him , our brushes have been nicked,

     We were then instructed to lean against each other .  Elf n safety ..

 

[oldhippy]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

47 years of EU membership and the EU did nothing to align UK pensions with other developed EU countries pensions. Why would that be and would they have done anything to increase UK pensions had we Remained in the EU? 

555 you blame the EU for not ordering the UK to increase their pensions????

Wouldn't that be intruding on your Brexiteer souvereignity ??? 555

 

Best Brexit joke ever!!!

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Tory government referring the UK worker's rights neglects to mention that those rights were fought for by workers unions and that the Tories did most of the fighting against workers rights.

 

There’s a ‘tell’ in this news report.

 

The government can’t say what improvements in workers rights they are planning, it’s such good news they want to keep it to themselves.

 

 

Then the workers rights fought for were taken away by thatchers conservative government,and when blairs government,(who incidently had been financially saved from bankruptcy by trade union support) got in labour did not rescind any of them,stating " we,re not going back to the dark days of mass pickets"bit hard to have any rights when you,re on a bogus "self employed" zero hour contract both of which came into being in labours 3 terms of office.

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, oldhippy said:

555 you blame the EU for not ordering the UK to increase their pensions????

Wouldn't that be intruding on your Brexiteer souvereignity ??? 555

 

Best Brexit joke ever!!!

 we didn,t have any " brexit sovereignty "during the 47 years of eu membership,seems the uk,s working classes copped all the negative aspects of eu membership and none of the advantages hence the peoples vote to leave.he who laughs last laughs the longest.

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

555 you blame the EU for not ordering the UK to increase their pensions????

Wouldn't that be intruding on your Brexiteer souvereignity ??? 555

 

Best Brexit joke ever!!!

Why would you raise the issue of better pensions in some EU countries in this post-Brexit worker rights thread? Do you believe that the EU would or should or could have ordered the UK to have pension parity? You are the one who thinks it's a problem.

[oldhippy]

Just now, Loiner said:

Why would you raise the issue of better pensions in some EU countries in this post-Brexit worker rights thread? Do you believe that the EU would or should or could have ordered the UK to have pension parity? You are the one who thinks it's a problem.

Yes, as you say: QUOTE: should ...have ordered the UK to have pension parity

[CharlieH]

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[Loiner]

1 minute ago, oldhippy said:

Yes, as you say: QUOTE: should ...have ordered the UK to have pension parity

But the EU didn't order UK pension parity did they? Whether they could or not over the 47 years is another matter. I think what we can take from that, regardless of their current nonsense about UK possibly reducing workers rights, is that the EU didn't really care much about UK citizens.

 

Hey, what if they EU had brought UK pensions up to match the best of their own? Do you think there would be millions of happy UK pensioners who would have voted Remain??? They missed a trick there.

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Your Blessed and much lamented Margaret T destroyed the UK’s manufacturing industries, announced the death of ‘society’ and set the UK on course for the ‘all rights an no responsibility’ mess the UK is in.

 

 

Totally agree with you chomper,thatcher really did stick the knife into the working classes back,and blair twisted it.

[billd766]

10 hours ago, robblok said:

That is ok let him degrade the workers rights, as long as its not for workers that make products that go to Europe there wont be a problem. Otherwise its the end of trade as UK  has to follow the EU rules on labor (cant deviate negatively) or lose access.

 

But I clearly remember people posting on this forum that the UK had really good workers standards and those would not be deflated. I guess they were the same as those who voted for Brexit and believed the lies of BJ and his ilk. 

quote " I guess they were the same as those who voted for Brexit and believed the lies of BJ and his ilk." 

 

As distinct from those who believed the lies of the Remainers and the Labour party I suppose?

 

You may not have noticed, but Brexit is over and finished with.

 

Both the UK and the EU are moving forwards and not living in the past as you seem to be doing.

 

Of course a link or two or some verifiable facts might help.

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Then the workers rights fought for were taken away by thatchers conservative government,and when blairs government,(who incidently had been financially saved from bankruptcy by trade union support) got in labour did not rescind any of them,stating " we,re not going back to the dark days of mass pickets"bit hard to have any rights when you,re on a bogus "self employed" zero hour contract both of which came into being in labours 3 terms of office.

Criticizing both conservatives and labour puts you where?

Any positive suggestions?

[kingdong]

19 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Criticizing both conservatives and labour puts you where?

Any positive suggestions?

Not a victim of herd mentality,thats for sure.merely stating facts.

Edited January 16, 2021 by kingdong

[Meat Pie 47]

11 hours ago, blazes said:

I was once in a pub in Cheriton, Hampshire, deep in John Arlott country, where everyone spoke with that deep burr of 'Ampshire.

A guy walks in and obviously knew the locals having their beer.  He calls out to the pub: "I almost 'ad a 'eart attack today."

"Oh, why?"

"I wuz on me bike when I came across a bunch of council workers, and they were WORKING!!"

 

 

That's because they all where Poles

[CG1 Blue]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The government can’t say what improvements in workers rights they are planning, it’s such good news they want to keep it to themselves.

Do you expect governments to provide running commentary on all their discussions? Maybe you think their internal meetings should be shown live on TV, with the public voting via an app? ????

[Loiner]

36 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

That's because they all where Poles

I wonder if this new Remainer/euro wailing is because most of those on Zero Hours contracts, or whose rights they think would be reduced are actually imported Eastern European wage slaves?

Fingers crossed. 

[candide]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

I wonder if this new Remainer/euro wailing is because most of those on Zero Hours contracts, or whose rights they think would be reduced are actually imported Eastern European wage slaves?

Fingers crossed. 

More than 80% of zero hours contrac employees are UK born.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/emp17peopleinemploymentonzerohourscontracts

Edited January 16, 2021 by candide

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, candide said:

More than 80% of zero hours contrac employees are UK born.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/emp17peopleinemploymentonzerohourscontracts

In a scenario created by a glut of workforce from the eu under the "freedom of movement"

[candide]

10 minutes ago, kingdong said:

In a scenario created by a glut of workforce from the eu under the "freedom of movement"

It has been a sovereign UK decision. Other countries under the same freedom did not make the same choice.

Edited January 16, 2021 by candide

[kingdong]

15 minutes ago, candide said:

It has been a sovereign UK decision. Other countries under the same freedom did not make the same choice.

True,but at the time we had a meglomaniac prime minister,and the effects were boune by british workers,just try ing to speak up for the majority of people who voted leave.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, kingdong said:

True,but at the time we had a meglomaniac prime minister,and the effects were boune by british workers,just try ing to speak up for the majority of people who voted leave.

More whataboutary.

 

The report is Johnson’s government planning to reduce workers rights.

 

A post Brexit ‘dividend’ that ‘Remainers’ predicted, you’ll find it filed under ‘Project Fear’.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More whataboutary.

 

The report is Johnson’s government planning to reduce workers rights.

 

A post Brexit ‘dividend’ that ‘Remainers’ predicted, you’ll find it filed under ‘Project Fear’.

Merely pointing out labours previous conduct regarding trade unions and what they did which screwed the british workers,think i prefer the conservatives,least you know where you are with them.people quickly forget.

[BusyB]

19 hours ago, oldhippy said:

UK pensions are a joke compared to developed EU countries.

 

I've kept up my NI contributions so it makes a nice top up, and I'm extremely grateful for that. However I can't understand how anybody could live off that. It's only a small portion of my German pension. 

[BusyB]

19 hours ago, Loiner said:

47 years of EU membership and the EU did nothing to align UK pensions with other developed EU countries pensions. Why would that be and would they have done anything to increase UK pensions had we Remained in the EU? 

 

The EU is not responsible for most of the Brit moans. Like other sovereign matters, countries decide on their own pensions. And the real reason British pensions are so low is because the ruling classes despise you. 

 

And if you don't belong to them mate, you have Stockholm syndrome.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, BusyB said:

 

The EU is not responsible for most of the Brit moans. Like other sovereign matters, countries decide on their own pensions. And the real reason British pensions are so low is because the ruling classes despise you. 

 

And if you don't belong to them mate, you have Stockholm syndrome.

So the UK was not responsible enough to decide on its' own workers rights and had to follow the EU rules for them, but was responsible for decisions on its own UK pensions? Why was the EU not interested in pensions, other than those payed to MEPs? There's nothing to say that the UK will now reduce workers rights anyway, only Remainer and euro wails that will be.

 

You need to be clearer about which of your ruling classes despise us. Which ones do you think they are - the EU bureaucrats, or the Remainer metrocentric lefty liberal elites, neither of whom did anything much to raise pensions.

 

Stockholm syndrome or Brussels syndrome, same symptoms really. 

 

 

[Loiner]

14 hours ago, candide said:

More than 80% of zero hours contrac employees are UK born.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/emp17peopleinemploymentonzerohourscontracts

What would you expect to find? Would your rush to find only a part of the statistics to be an example of the EU disdain for the UK workforce and your Britbashing?

 

Why didn't you admit to us from these numbers that a disproportionately way higher proportion of those on zero hour contracts are non-uk workers? 

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So the UK was not responsible enough to decide on its' own workers rights and had to follow the EU rules for them, but was responsible for decisions on its own UK pensions? Why was the EU not interested in pensions, other than those payed to MEPs? There's nothing to say that the UK will now reduce workers rights anyway, only Remainer and euro wails that will be.

 

You need to be clearer about which of your ruling classes despise us. Which ones do you think they are - the EU bureaucrats, or the Remainer metrocentric lefty liberal elites, neither of whom did anything much to raise pensions.

 

Stockholm syndrome or Brussels syndrome, same symptoms really. 

 

 

The EU had no interest in pensions because member states (incl. UK) did not vote to include pensions in the scope of its prerogatives. 

As usual, you blame the EU for a sovereign UK decision.

[Loiner]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

The EU had no interest in pensions because member states (incl. UK) did not vote to include pensions in the scope of its prerogatives. 

As usual, you blame the EU for a sovereign UK decision.

If the EU was to be supposed to be so great for workers rights, why was it not voted to make rules for ex-workers rights in pensions? The EU is very interested in funds for pension payments to MEPs but not others.

Are EU rules for workers rights really so good? I think the abundance of zero hour contracts in UK shows they are not up to much really.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

What would you expect to find? Would your rush to find only a part of the statistics to be an example of the EU disdain for the UK workforce and your Britbashing?

 

Why didn't you admit to us from these numbers that a disproportionately way higher proportion of those on zero hour contracts are non-uk workers? 

You wrote: "most of those on Zero Hours contracts, or whose rights they think would be reduced are actually imported Eastern European wage slaves?"

This is false.

According to the document you can download from the linked page, most of zero hour contract workers are UK born. Out of 1068,000, 839,000 of them are UK born and 226,000 are foreign born (and not all from the EU, I guess).

As the the % of workforce, the difference is neglectible: 3.1% of UK born workers have a zero hour contract,  to compare  with 4.1% of foreign born workers.

So most of zero hour contract workers are not foreigners and most foreigners are not zero hour contract workers.

[candide]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

If the EU was to be supposed to be so great for workers rights, why was it not voted to make rules for ex-workers rights in pensions? The EU is very interested in funds for pension payments to MEPs but not others.

Are EU rules for workers rights really so good? I think the abundance of zero hour contracts in UK shows they are not up to much really.

Trolling?

[Hi from France]

What is the solution for the current situation? 

 

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“Jobs lost will be lost here,” he says. “That is the reality. All of these fees will come straight off profit margins.

 

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“We might save some of the increased costs of doing business in Europe by setting up a warehouse there – and thereby avoid paying charges on every consignment – but we would have to make redundancies in our warehouse here and reduce the size of the business footprint in the UK. 

 

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Were it not for Covid-19, such stories would be dominating the news. Privately ministers know things will get worse.

 

 

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Behind the scenes civil servants in Whitehall are letting it be known that there is little that can be done because the exhaustively negotiated trade deal is largely set in stone.

The red tape and associated costs are here to stay

 

This government will not renegociate before these businesses are either out of business or, for the best, have reduced the size of their business in the UK. 

 

A workable solution to keep UK jobs is to extend working hours to make the additional labour cheaper.

 

That's what we are debating here.. 

 

What else? Devaluating the pound sterling ? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/17/shock-brexit-charges-are-hurting-us-say-small-british-businesses

Edited January 17, 2021 by Hi from France