Thailand's Covid-19 situation 'not a cause for concern yet'

[sandhurstmolonski]

2 hours ago, Nowisee said:

The Asian Flu of 1957-58 a deadly pandemic that killed over a million worldwide.  116,000 in the US at a time with a much lower population. 
No lockdowns, no economic destruction, immune systems adapted to this strain and life went on.

Ten years later a mutation of this strain arrived.  

 

The Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1970 killed over a million people worldwide.  110,000 in the US.   

No lockdowns, no economic destruction, immune systems adapted to this strain and life went on.

This is how it was dealt with until 2020.  
Why did we change?  
Now we have deaths AND economic destruction.  Do people still think this is the right direction to continue?  

 

 

Very well said , and so true ..

While commiting complete ecconomic destruction , and via lockdowns weakening immune system .

Actions this time around , pretty much worldwide , horrendous . 

[tyga]

1 minute ago, sandhurstmolonski said:

Very well said , and so true ..

While commiting complete ecconomic destruction , and via lockdowns weakening immune system .

Actions this time around , pretty much worldwide , horrendous . 

Not well said at all.  I am amazed that people cannot understand that the deaths would be much higher without the measures that were put in place to prevent the deaths that covidiots use as an argument against the measures. The more successful you are with preventing death and disease, the more these people use it as an argument for not doing it. Half hearted places where they opened up early  such as UK paid the price but these people don't see the opening up as the cause but the lockdown. A  paradox which even after a year some people you just can't get! The low death rate in countries where people have taken this pandemic seriously is the direct consequence of the measures taken. Let's  try another way, ok  so let's say you have a bush fire and you dowsing your yard and house with lots of water and it survives intact, is that an argument for not hosing it down and save on your water bill? Stupidity beyond comprehension...

[PGSan]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

what is the "R-Rate" 

Extremely low!

[PGSan]

3 hours ago, Nowisee said:

in the US

Why bang on about the US figures on here? 

Edited January 18, 2021 by PGSan

[PGSan]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

in the south

The south ??

[spiekerjozef]

Where else do you want to go? Saint Helena?

[spiekerjozef]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

 

This can only be determined by mass random testing

Testing is a waste of staff, time and money.

It doesn't make the virus go away so what's the point...

[Mayhem11]

You don’t need testing to reach the bleeding obvious conclusion that the r rate is extremely low. Some other agenda underlies this “pandemic” other than infectiousness.

[smedly]

7 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

Testing is a waste of staff, time and money.

It doesn't make the virus go away so what's the point...

 

It is the only way to gauge how deep #### you're in and what measures need to be taken to get out of it or when you can relax measures - unless Thailand is testing then it is only guess work - and a temp check is useless and a waste of time

 

If you don't care then up to you, maybe when you get it you'll be asking the question - why didn't they tell me it was this widespread 

Edited January 18, 2021 by smedly

[DBath]

3 hours ago, riverhigh said:

Re: "Both organisations have evaluated Thailand in "not high burden and not growing" countries, thanks to people's cooperation to contain the spread of the virus", Mondej said.

 

Unfortunately we have low-end falang walking along Pattaya Beach road between 5 pm to 7 pm shirtless, no masks, no social distancing at a time when the beach is most crowded. No cooperation and completely oblivious to their surroundings. The same type of people who intentionally remove or adjust their masks as  soon as theey pass shopping mall security. This behaviour only infuriates Thais and adds fire to the tightening of immigration laws.

Not all farangs believe they are better than Thai people, but the ones that do are giving the rest of us a bad name. 

[DBath]

11 minutes ago, smedly said:

 

It is the only way to gauge how deep #### you're in and what measures need to be taken to get out of it or when you can relax measures - unless Thailand is testing then it is only guess work - and a temp check is useless and a waste of time

 

If you don't care then up to you, maybe when you get it you'll be asking the question - why didn't they tell me it was this widespread 

Testing is important, it’s one measure of many. I take some comfort knowing hospitals have not been overrun nor is there more than a below average fatality rate. 

[hotchilli]

48 minutes ago, PGSan said:

The south ??

ok... south of Bkk [central]

[SaamBaht]

6 hours ago, smedly said:

 

This can only be determined by mass random testing 

 

How many people has Thailand tested to reach this conclusion - what is the "R-Rate" across the country

 

Without the above you can not determine anything 

Mass testing has been a disaster. Test if you're ill. Otherwise, carry on. 

[George Aylesham]

6 hours ago, Rockhound said:

It never will be.  The first wave this time last year wasn't even noticed.

I note that both evaluations were made by WHO and Johns H

 

6 hours ago, Rockhound said:

It never will be.  The first wave this time last year wasn't even noticed.

I see that both evaluations were made by WHO and Johns Hopkins - two respected and trustworthy bodies. To be honest I have far more faith in them than in the many ThaiVisa epidemiologists!

[Suua]

30 minutes ago, SaamBaht said:

Mass testing has been a disaster. Test if you're ill. Otherwise, carry on. 

For you and the other less well educated.....

[Captor]

Correct! So better focus on traffic deaths and air pollution instead.

[spiekerjozef]

11 minutes ago, Suua said:

43 minutes ago, SaamBaht said:

Mass testing has been a disaster. Test if you're ill. Otherwise, carry on. 

For you and the other less well educated.....

Have you seen the corona virus map from the UK?

It looks like the map of the UK had a massive fight with the Heinz tomato ketchup bottle.

What is testing gonna change if their own citizens do as they like?

With borders and airports still open??

Flogging a dead horse.

 

[Bobydog]

5 hours ago, PEE TEE said:

Good morning i get more concerned with B S. rate

And so you should lol

 

[Scot123]

5 hours ago, riverhigh said:

Re: "Both organisations have evaluated Thailand in "not high burden and not growing" countries, thanks to people's cooperation to contain the spread of the virus", Mondej said.

 

Unfortunately we have low-end falang walking along Pattaya Beach road between 5 pm to 7 pm shirtless, no masks, no social distancing at a time when the beach is most crowded. No cooperation and completely oblivious to their surroundings. The same type of people who intentionally remove or adjust their masks as  soon as theey pass shopping mall security. This behaviour only infuriates Thais and adds fire to the tightening of immigration laws.

And that attitude is why Thailand was hemorrhaging western tourists and expats before The Chinese Covid 19 virus. What an unbelievable statement. 

[DJ54]

Just read this article... January 18

 

Every single passenger on board 2 international flights to Canada informed that they were potentially exposed to COVID-19

 

The news of these potential exposures follows a January 7 announcement by the Canadian government that requires all those boarding flights to Canada to provide proof of a negative coronavirus test.

Haiti, however, is an exception to the rule. Due to limited testing capacity, passengers flying to Canada from Haiti are not required to provide a negative result.

Since the negative test requirement was introduced, over 70 international flights that have landed in Canada have carried passengers infected with COVID-19, according to the Toronto Sun.

Yesterday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters that he hasn't ruled out introducing an international travel ban.

[Emdog]

5 hours ago, riverhigh said:

Re: "Both organisations have evaluated Thailand in "not high burden and not growing" countries, thanks to people's cooperation to contain the spread of the virus", Mondej said.

 

Unfortunately we have low-end falang walking along Pattaya Beach road between 5 pm to 7 pm shirtless, no masks, no social distancing at a time when the beach is most crowded. No cooperation and completely oblivious to their surroundings. The same type of people who intentionally remove or adjust their masks as  soon as theey pass shopping mall security. This behaviour only infuriates Thais and adds fire to the tightening of immigration laws.

Not only farangs, tho what they lack in numbers they make up in stupidity

I walk down Jomtien beach and plenty of Thais sitting together on mat, sharing food, no masks.

And then there are idiots of all nations wearing mask below their noses

[ChrisKC]

369 new infections today - Want to change your mind?

[Captor]

1 minute ago, ChrisKC said:

369 new infections today - Want to change your mind?

In a country with 70 mill people? No! But with 25 000+ deaths on the streets... that raises my concern. And 8% of the elderly people dying from impact of the air pollution. Now, THAT is something to talk about.

[Donga]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

 

It is the only way to gauge how deep #### you're in and what measures need to be taken to get out of it or when you can relax measures - unless Thailand is testing then it is only guess work - and a temp check is useless and a waste of time

 

If you don't care then up to you, maybe when you get it you'll be asking the question - why didn't they tell me it was this widespread 

 

If you have effective contact tracing as Thailand does, testing is not as critical compared to the vast majority of European and American countries where they've lost control and must test to try rein in their infection numbers.

Many on this forum have been saying there was all this Covid in Thailand not being reported. Then the ladies returned from Myanmar, followed by the outbreak in Samut Sakhom, which were both covered in detail and managed through the processes acknowledged by the WHO and John Hopkins Uni as being top notch.

So instead of banging away about lack of testing and drawing spurious conclusions, suggest people focus on why Thailand has done so much better than vast majority of countries. Hint: community discipline, especially with face masks, effective contact tracing, tight quarantine processes, the health volunteers, who more than compensate for lack of testing and the climate advantage come to mind. Compare these attributes with most countries. 

Don't understand why so many people don't get it. Covid is very well managed in Thailand, as recognised by international bodies, including Europe where Thailand is one of only five countries where people can enter without quarantine (others being Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Rwanda). See table in this link.. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2021/01/17/january-eu-travel-restrictions-by-country-quarantine-and-tests-as-covid-19-third-wave-surges/?sh=5e86ca9e2ff3

Edited January 18, 2021 by Donga

[chrisbangkok]

5 hours ago, Nowisee said:

The Asian Flu of 1957-58 a deadly pandemic that killed over a million worldwide.  116,000 in the US at a time with a much lower population. 
No lockdowns, no economic destruction, immune systems adapted to this strain and life went on.

Ten years later a mutation of this strain arrived.  

 

The Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1970 killed over a million people worldwide.  110,000 in the US.   

No lockdowns, no economic destruction, immune systems adapted to this strain and life went on.

This is how it was dealt with until 2020.  
Why did we change?  
Now we have deaths AND economic destruction.  Do people still think this is the right direction to continue?  

 

 

What is your point here , are you in denial that this pandemic is real ? Are you a believer in global conspiracy ? The right direction is to accept  the issue , take the necessary precautions as advised , masks , social distancing, etc etc and make viable plans to mass vaccinate as soon as possible. 

Denial and failure to follow advise is what causes perpetuation .

[hugocnx]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand's Covid-19 situation 'not a cause for concern yet'

By The Nation

 

 

Thailand's Covid-19 situation is not severe, an infectious disease expert at MedPark Hospital, said on Sunday.

 

Asst Prof Mondej Sookpranee said the World Health Organisation (WHO) and Johns Hopkins (JHU) evaluate the situation in each country once they receive information.

 

According to WHO, Thailand's number of Covid-19 cases from December 14 to January 14 and 24-hour average were 7,025 and 271 respectively, accounting for an infection rate of 10.2 per cent and 0.4 per cent respectively per 100,000 population.

 

Meanwhile, JHU said the country's number of Covid-19 cases in the past 30 days and 24-hour average were 7,189 and 459 respectively, accounting for an infection rate per 100,000 population of 10.4 per cent and 0.7 per cent respectively.

 

"Both organisations have evaluated Thailand in "not high burden and not growing" countries, thanks to people's cooperation to contain the spread of the virus", Mondej said.

 

He urged Thais to continue following the government's Covid-19 prevention measures.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30401374

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2021-01-18

 

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And that's why now street markets are closed as well this week and last week in Chiang Mai/Sansai??

[chrisbangkok]

2 minutes ago, Donga said:

 

If you have effective contact tracing as Thailand clearly does, testing is not as critical compared to the vast majority of European and American countries where they've lost control and must test to try rein in their infection numbers.

Many on this forum have been saying there was all this Covid in Thailand not being reported. Then the ladies returned from Myanmar, followed by the outbreak in Samut Sakhom, which were both covered in detail and managed through the processes acknowledged by the WHO and John Hopkins Uni as being top notch.

So instead of banging away about lack of testing and drawing spurious conclusions, suggest people focus on why Thailand has done so much better than vast majority of countries. Hint: community discipline, especially with face masks, effective contact tracing, tight quarantine processes, the health volunteers who more than compensate for lack of testing and the climate advantage come to mind. Compare these attributes with most countries. 

Don't understand why so many people don't get it. Covid is very well managed in Thailand, as recognised by international bodies, including Europe where Thailand is one of only five countries where people can enter without quarantine (others being Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Rwanda). See table in this link.. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2021/01/17/january-eu-travel-restrictions-by-country-quarantine-and-tests-as-covid-19-third-wave-surges/?sh=5e86ca9e2ff3

Take a read of the article in the Bangkok Post 8 Jan 2021 by Thitinan Pongsidhirak  and then tell me there is not an issue here . Poor planning and the usual border corruption has rendered Thailand incredibly susceptible to a new wave and the planning to obtain vaccines is well behind the ROW as the officialdom cannot lose face by saying it is not in control after all . Thailand is in grave danger of being overwhelmed very quickly now , I hope the border people have spent their ill gotten gains wisely !!

[smedly]

2 hours ago, DBath said:

Testing is important, it’s one measure of many. I take some comfort knowing hospitals have not been overrun nor is there more than a below average fatality rate. 

you are missing one very vital point - it is not just those with symptoms or who are ill that spread the virus - you might get it and become ill after being infected by someone who has no idea they have it - just how many of those people are there - maybe you are special and can tell just by looking at someone if they are infected or not  

[kiwikeith]

7 hours ago, riverhigh said:

Re: "Both organisations have evaluated Thailand in "not high burden and not growing" countries, thanks to people's cooperation to contain the spread of the virus", Mondej said.

 

Unfortunately we have low-end falang walking along Pattaya Beach road between 5 pm to 7 pm shirtless, no masks, no social distancing at a time when the beach is most crowded. No cooperation and completely oblivious to their surroundings. The same type of people who intentionally remove or adjust their masks as  soon as theey pass shopping mall security. This behaviour only infuriates Thais and adds fire to the tightening of immigration laws.

Will they tighten Sir Fish Heads access to Myamer slaves smuggled across the border by the enlightened ones staff.

Next time make sure they wear masks whilst being smuggled ,and put them into quarantine at the fish factory where they can work as well as be under quarantine.

If they need face masks during quarantine and covid tests add this onto the debt they have to pay to Sir Fish Head.

As for the costs that Fish Head has put upon Thailand ignore this.

Also grant exemption for health and covid insurance as if they get sick dump them back across the border and bring in  fresh produce.

[2530Ubon]

So why isn't Thailand locking down? Is it because the protests have largely stopped? Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for a lockdown, but certainly an end to inter-provincial travel and a step up in testing. The first time around, cases were never higher than 188 a day - a very low amount, but Prayut locked sh-t down. Including closing down schools and every farang's favorite office;  corruption immigration.

 

Now we're seeing days where there're almost 1000 one day, and over 200 every day. 350 today. Do some actual testing AROUND Thailand, these migrants who they're frequently testing now didn't just appear in Bangkok, they came from the provinces - Ubon, Chiang Mai, Kanchanaburi, Nong Kai etc. One would think that they have been passing it on as they made their way down the country. Over New Year, when Thai's started travelling up the country, they would have been bringing it back with them and passing it on up the country. That's just basic logic. Not rocket science.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/thailand/

 

Stop charging people for a test in hospitals and you'll start to find more cases.

Edited January 18, 2021 by 2530Ubon