Thailand hasn't bought Pfizer or Moderna jabs, says doctor after deaths in Norway

[balo]

This is just a fake news story, they would have died anyway, they were very old patients with underlying conditions. 


 

[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, at15 said:

 

Please educate yourself. There is a hugely important step that was skipped for this coronavirus vaccine. In an unprecedented decision the FDA decided to allow moderna, pfizer and other companies to skip the most important step in vaccine testing which is the animal trials. The mainstream media will tell you otherwise but its a lie like everything else. Its common sense, a vaccine takes at least 10 years to bring to market.  There is a terrible safety record for coronavirus vaccines, for which we have been doing trials for the past 20-30 years. The problem is after vaccination , the immune system becomes hypersensitive causing it to over react when you encounter the wild virus again. This will cause a cytokine storm and your autoimmune response could possibly kill you. I have talked to thai citizens who are terrified of the vaccines and rightly so.

I am educated thank you and you repeat internet conspiracy lie. Tip off was use of the "inflammation"  false claim.  As soon as I see phrase like "mainstream media" and "lie" I know what you are pushing, and it is not the truth.  FDA said vaccine manufacturer did not need to repeat some animal tests because data was good enough from the earlier studies in other countries, and USA. You think FDA is only authority on vaccines? World includes EU where many of the vaccines originate. Also includes Canada which made first SARS and ebola vaccines.  

 

You are saying US government make up its research studies.  Here is an example of the US animal testing in USA at US Government NIH.   N Engl J Med. 2020 Jul 28 : NEJMoa2024671. Published online 2020 Jul 28.  doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa2024671  Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates      Methods: Nonhuman primates received 10 or 100 μg of mRNA-1273, a vaccine encoding the prefusion-stabilized spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, or no vaccine.

 

Now let's deal with your  claim about no animal testing, ok? I take from Associated Press Fact checking

CLAIM: The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNAs vaccines that skipped animal trials because using mRNA vaccines on animals triggers dangerous inflammation.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials when testing their COVID-19 vaccines.  

 

Where have you been for past decade? mRNA vaccine  technology has been used for cancer treatment. Long term testing on mice and macaque. 10 years+. For the  SARS CoV-2 vaccine  it was tested on all sorts of animals including primates.    Swiss business paper has nice article on Canada testing of Pfizer vaccine with animals that confirms there was animal testing. 

https://www.finanzen.ch/nachrichten/aktien/cpho-issue-statement-series-on-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-1029945624   Read the article  "Within weeks, vaccines were ready to test in animal models, with human clinical trials following in March 2020"

 

You make nonsense talk when you say Thais are afraid of vaccine. Thailand has one of the higher vaccine rates in the world. It has a good schedule to vaccinate against childhood diseases. Thai people see first hand benefits to stop children going deaf or brain damage of  having damaged livers. There is in excess of 90% vaccine rate  on many vaccines in Thailand and it is much better than so many so called developed world countries. You are trying to push your anti vaccination view on Thai people and hopefully they send you packing. I have faith in the Thai people especially when I see  numbers like 32% of Thai conscripts who said they would volunteer for clinical trial for vaccine if needed. Higher willingness than what was seen in America, EU and UK.  I don't think you understand Thai willingness to do good and being vaccinated to help others will make good merit because it is helping to protect older people and others.  Very sad you want to promote false claim when the world needs the vaccine that will save lives.

[Misab]

I read yesterday that the Norwegian health authorities are investigating the cause, but inform there are currently nothing to suggest a connection with vaccination of covid-19.

 

[Misab]

3 hours ago, balo said:

This is just a fake news story, they would have died anyway, they were very old patients with underlying conditions. 


 

exactly

[2530Ubon]

21 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

As the old saying goes, no flies on the Thais.

Have you been to a Thai market - more flies on Thais and meat produce than white on rice.

[SupermarineS6B]

7 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

I don't think the doctor has actually read the report of the 23 death in Norway,  the Norwegian Authorities have said 23 elderly and frail people who received the vaccine have passed away, BUT there is no evidence at this stage, that it is because of the vaccine and further test are to be conducted,,  I personally think the answer is in the question.. "old and frail" 

And think the Thai Government is useing this as another excuse, as they have been pussy footing about over obtain the vaccine, will start in February, then June, then more will be vaccinated in 2022,  my opinion Thailand hasn't got the funds to purchase vaccine... ????

They've used this excuse to BUY the vaccine they've been ordered to use from big brother..... 5% off next Submarine purchase......  

[godonnet]

As a Norwegian living in Norway, I can confirm that this story has been in all the norwegian newspapers, on TV and radio. As several people have mentioned, this story is about old and frail people living in municipal nursing homes for sick and elderly. 

 

China and Russia is running this story to undermine the western vaccines and promote their own sputnik and sinovac vaccines. 

 

Sources:

 

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/zgM1d1/fhi-ber-om-at-sykehjemsbeboere-vurderes-foer-vaksinen-gis

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/dlvXGz/har-undersoekt-13-doedsfall-vanlige-bivirkninger-kan-ha-bidratt-til-doedsfall-hos-de-svakeste

https://www.nrk.no/norge/anbefaler-noye-vurdering-for-vaksinasjon-av-alvorlig-skropelige-personer-1.15322391

https://www.nrk.no/norge/legemiddelverket-knytter-13-dodsfall-til-bivirkninger-av-vaksinen-1.15327024

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by godonnet
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[Jeffrey346]

Seems odd as.. The US has administered 31,000,000 doses with no deaths

[Patong2021]

10 hours ago, godonnet said:

As a Norwegian living in Norway, I can confirm that this story has been in all the norwegian newspapers, on TV and radio. As several people have mentioned, this story is about old and frail people living in municipal nursing homes for sick and elderly. 

 

China and Russia is running this story to undermine the western vaccines and promote their own sputnik and sinovac vaccines. 

 

Sources:

 

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/zgM1d1/fhi-ber-om-at-sykehjemsbeboere-vurderes-foer-vaksinen-gis

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/dlvXGz/har-undersoekt-13-doedsfall-vanlige-bivirkninger-kan-ha-bidratt-til-doedsfall-hos-de-svakeste

https://www.nrk.no/norge/anbefaler-noye-vurdering-for-vaksinasjon-av-alvorlig-skropelige-personer-1.15322391

https://www.nrk.no/norge/legemiddelverket-knytter-13-dodsfall-til-bivirkninger-av-vaksinen-1.15327024

 

You said it much better than I could and I really believe this. Only thing I would add is my belief it is to continue to sabotage free world economies and to cause civil unrest. We are in a new type of conflict - manipulation of biohazard and environmental catastrophe .

[HOAX]

No evidence linking Pfizer as the cause for these deaths. On average, 45 people in care centers die daily in Norway, hence why they're there in the first place. Because they are in the highest risk group and due to so many Covid outbreaks in these elderly centers, they, as well as healthcare workers, became a first priority. That some of the elderly who has passed away in the last couple of weeks just happened to have taken the vaccine hardly comes as a surprise.

 

- 40,000 people live in care centers Norway.

- First priority for the vaccine. Many, if not most, have already received their first shot.

- 630 people overall have died in the last two weeks.

- 23 of the 630 had taken the vaccine.

 

 

[balo]

7 hours ago, Jeffrey346 said:

Seems odd as.. The US has administered 31,000,000 doses with no deaths

Then they are not reporting it , like Norway.   It happens with the flu vaccine also, elderly , weak people can die after a shot.    When you look at all the fake news stories coming out of Russia, I wish they never said anything.