Analysis - Trump's legacy: A more divided America, a more unsettled world

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Analysis - Trump's legacy: A more divided America, a more unsettled world

By Matt Spetalnick, Andrea Shalal, Jeff Mason and Steve Holland

 

FILE PHOTO: President Donald Trump holds up a Bible as he stands in front of St. John's Episcopal Church across from the White House after walking there for a photo opportunity during ongoing protests over racial inequality in Washington, June 1, 2020. REUTERS/Tom Brenner/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - When President Donald Trump delivered his inaugural speech on Jan. 20, 2017, he promised an end to “American carnage,” a bleak and dysfunctional nation he had insisted that he alone could fix.

 

Closing out his presidency exactly four years later, Trump leaves behind an even more polarized America, where thousands are dying daily from the COVID-19 pandemic, the economy is badly damaged and political violence has surged.

 

Trump didn’t create the bitter differences that have come to define American life. Still, he seized upon many of them as tools to build his power base, promising to uplift rural America and the broader working class he said had been neglected by the Washington establishment.

 

When thousands of his angry followers – the vast majority of them white - marched on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, they rallied behind Trump’s false claims of a stolen election. The rioting that ensued left a police officer and four other people dead, dozens wounded and a nation shaken.

 

A major part of his legacy when he departs the White House on Wednesday is likely to be Americans more politically and culturally estranged from each other than they were when he took office.

 

At the heart of that divide, Trump’s opponents say, is race. Early in his presidency, he initially resisted denouncing white nationalists after a deadly 2017 rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, fueling perceptions that he sympathized with their cause. His harsh rhetoric often worsened racial crises that flared over police killings of Black people on his watch.

 

“Sadly, he is the natural outcome of the history of divide and conquer,” in American race relations, said Reverend William Barber, a prominent civil rights activist and co-chair of the Poor People’s Campaign, an anti-poverty, anti-racism movement that Martin Luther King helped organize in the 1960s. “The thing is, he just pushed it all the way.”

Trump has repeatedly denied any racist animus.

 

His staunch supporters argue that he served as a corrective to prior administrations of both parties that let down the poor, the working class and rural regions that have struggled in recent decades. That base of support remains large - another likely legacy of the Trump era. 

 

Alex Bruesewitz, a conservative activist associated with Stop the Steal, a pro-Trump movement protesting the election results, said the president retains his appeal to working-class voters. “They felt like they were the forgotten men and women. And the president said, ‘You are forgotten no longer’,” Bruesewitz said.

 

Trump’s refusal to concede defeat to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden and his encouragement of his supporters to descend on the Capitol mean his term is ending amid a swirl of untruths that millions of Republicans have taken to heart, creating a serious challenge for the new administration to win their trust.

 

The disorderly transfer of power comes against the backdrop of the increased spread of a pandemic that Trump has downplayed, and mounting financial hardships from the deep recession spurred by it.

 

Keeping the country on edge, and prompting security lockdowns in Washington and state capitals, is concern that the pro-Trump mob’s siege of the Capitol on Jan. 6 could embolden far-right extremists to further violence.

 

“There has never been a presidency in modern times when America’s dysfunction has been so fully on display,” said Aaron David Miller, a former State Department adviser to Republican and Democratic administrations who is now at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.

 

White House spokesman Judd Deere rejected the notion that Trump’s legacy lay in tatters.

 

In a written statement to Reuters, Deere cited a list of what he considered Trump’s economic accomplishments, such as getting the country on the path to recovery and deregulatory moves, which have included loosened restrictions on auto emissions and oil drilling. He also argued that the president secured the border with Mexico, rebuilt U.S. military strength, brought some troops home and helped orchestrate development of a coronavirus vaccine in a matter of months.

 

"He leaves office having made America safer, stronger, more secure,” Deere said.

 

He declined, in the statement, to address racism accusations against the president.

 

'AMERICA FIRST’

Trump did, in fact, deliver on a number of priorities for his Republican Party.

 

In partnership with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, he overhauled the U.S. judiciary, giving it a more conservative bent with the appointment of three Supreme Court justices and the fast-tracking of more than 200 federal judges.

 

Trump pushed through massive tax cuts for corporations. The economy expanded faster than it had under predecessor Barack Obama, and unemployment reached record lows.

 

But the solid economy, which he hoped would be his biggest re-election selling point, was swept away in a wave of coronavirus-driven shutdowns that plunged the country into the worst downturn in nearly a century as joblessness soared. The national debt, which had ballooned during his term, grew even more in his final year.

 

Trump catered to his base by cracking down on illegal immigration, but critics condemned his approach as too harsh.

 

Biden plans to reverse much of it, including a travel ban on a handful of Muslim-majority nations. Erecting a barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border was a signature pledge of his 2016 campaign. Less than half of the 1,000 miles he promised was built, much of it where existing barriers stood – and Mexico never paid for it as Trump had vowed.

 

Abroad, Trump often invoked his “America First” agenda. He dismantled or disrupted multilateral pacts, withdrawing from the Paris climate accord, which committed nearly every nation to cut greenhouse gas emissions; and the Iran nuclear deal, which eased sanctions in exchange for curbs on its nuclear program. His administration eroded bedrock alliances like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, antagonized traditional partners and indulged autocrats such as Russian President Vladimir Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

 

But Trump has been credited by Republicans as well as many Democrats for a tougher stance on China. He slapped tariffs on billions of dollars of Chinese imports, sanctioned top officials over a crackdown in Hong Kong and imposed penalties on Chinese telecommunications companies. His administration faced some criticism, however, for provoking a trade war with Beijing and reverting to Cold War-style rhetoric.

 

In a parting shot, the Trump administration said on Tuesday it had determined that China has committed "genocide and crimes against humanity" by repressing Uighur Muslims in its Xinjiang region. China has denied the accusations of human rights abuses.

 

Trump has also won praise for brokering historic accords to normalize relations between Israel and four once-hostile Arab neighbors. And he reduced U.S. forces in conflict zones such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, though he failed to completely extract America from “endless wars” as he promised in his 2016 campaign.

 

“Trump did accomplish some useful things,” Richard Haass, a former senior State Department official who is president of the Council on Foreign Relations, wrote on the think tank’s website. He deserves credit, Haass said, "for moving the U.S. policy vis-à-vis an increasingly repressive, powerful, and assertive China in a more sober, critical direction."

 

But what the president got right, Haass added, was “dwarfed by what Trump got wrong,” citing foremost “the damage he has done to American democracy.”

 

FRINGE SUPPORTERS

Trump’s political strength stemmed, in part, from his ability to pose as a populist champion to tap into white rural and working-class resentment that has been building for years, as the United States became a more multiracial society and their communities felt the brunt of globalization, analysts say.

 

Some far-right fringe groups have also flocked to Trump’s banner. Rioters who gathered at the Capitol included some of the more extreme elements of his base, including members of QAnon, who espouse a debunked conspiracy theory that claims Trump is fighting a Democratic cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles and cannibals.

 

“Trump built a coalition out of white supremacists, conspiracy theorists and bigots,” said Douglas Brinkley, presidential historian at Rice University in Houston.

 

Trump has denied any affinity for such groups or welcoming them into his fold.  “I’m the least racist person you’ll find anywhere in the world,” he insisted in 2019.

 

Accusations against Trump of xenophobia extended to his immigration policies. One White House official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that it was a “fiasco” when the administration in 2018 separated several thousand children – including infants - from their undocumented parents at the Mexican border. Images of crying youngsters crowded into chain-link pens were beamed worldwide.

 

While some Trump supporters have turned away from him since the assault on the Capitol, most appear to be sticking with him. Seventy percent of Republicans remain loyal to Trump, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling done in the immediate aftermath of the siege. Many activists say they’re willing to abandon the party for any perceived slight against their leader.

 

"I see Trump as a fighter for the people that actually work and put the backbone into this country," said Will Williams, a Trump supporter from Oklahoma. “His legacy will be remembered by me as a great man that took on the corruption in this country.”

 

Trump’s invocation of “American carnage” at his own inauguration, painting what many Democrats considered an overblown dystopian vision, was an appeal to that base and also to the urban poor. He said their dreams had been stifled by economic distress, crime, drugs and loss of jobs to other countries.

 

Opponents say Trump, a wealthy former real estate developer, did little to help them. He sought repeatedly to kill the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, which helped millions of Americans get health insurance. His tariffs war with China hurt American farmers and didn’t trigger the U.S. manufacturing revival he had promised. And his tax cuts mainly benefited the rich.

 

REPUBLICAN SOUL-SEARCHING?

As Trump heads out the door as the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice, most recently on a charge of inciting the Capitol riot, the Republican Party's future is deeply uncertain.

 

Trump remade it in his image, replacing traditional conservative principles of fiscal austerity and commitment to international alliances with large deficits, his “America First” approach and a habit of frequently issuing policy shifts and trial balloons by Twitter. He demanded unwavering loyalty and turned on anyone who opposed him.

 

Now that Republicans find themselves relegated to the opposition in the Senate, the question is whether Trump’s spell over the party - and “Trumpism” as a viable movement - will endure when he no longer wields the levers of government power.

 

Trump’s base remains a potent electoral force. It handed him more votes – some 74 million – than any Republican in history. Fear of antagonizing them was evident when nearly half of Republican House members, fresh off the mob attack that had sent them scuttling for cover in the Capitol basement, endorsed a failed effort to block certification of Biden’s victory.

 

But cracks have formed in Republican ranks in response to the Capitol mayhem, and the party may be in for a period of soul-searching. McConnell said on Tuesday the Jan. 6 mob was "provoked by the president and other powerful people."

 

Trump’s own political future could be in jeopardy as well. If convicted by the Senate in an impeachment trial that would occur after he leaves the White House, Trump could be banned from holding office again.

 

Bob Corker, a former Republican senator from Tennessee, said Trump had been a “consequential president” in terms of enacting many policies Republicans wanted. “But in the process of being purposely divisive and perpetuating untruths” about the election, “he undermined our democracy,” Corker told Reuters.

 

Corker said the Republican Party needs “to go in a direction not led by him. We’ve got to redefine who we are.”

 

(Additional reporting by Alexandra Alper; Writing by Matt Spetalnick; Editing by Mary Milliken and Marla Dickerson)

 

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[Walker88]

45 was a failure in every way.

 

He inherited a growing economy; he left a Recession.

His failure to address CV-19 early on..."It's just 15 cases, and soon those will go down to zero....just disappear like magic.....Dem Hoax (used that until mid-June 2020), etc.".....has now resulted in over 400,000 deaths

He inherited unemployment of 4.8%; leaves with a questionable 6.7% and a 14 million person smaller US workforce, as 'discouraged workers' left the workforce permanently

He left the US isolated from traditional allies

He ballooned the National Debt from $19.4 trillion to $27.8 trillion

He cost the US Taxpayer---according to the GAO---over $148,000,000 for his almost 300 golf outings

 

He leaves office with the worst Approval Rating of any POTUS since Nixon, and is the first POTUS never to have topped 50% in Approval Rating, as well as hitting a personal low upon exit.

 

To throw salt in the wounds, his wife is the first FLOTUS ever to leave with a net negative Approval Rating.

[J Town]

If 45 had made the SLIGHTEST attempt at a real handling of Covid, he'd probably be getting sworn in this 20th of January. Instead, he stupidly admitted to lying about it while being recorded against the advice of those around him.

 

We all know the division - just look at the conversations on this forum. I can say with absolute conviction it is the 45 supporters who have the problem. When confronted with facts, every never-45 member will go "Ah, I see your point." When the same facts are presented to 45 supporters, well, you know the drill:

Deflect, Ignore, Lie, Deny and/or Obfuscate.

 

45 supporters have to evolve before any real unification of the country can happen. Turn off Fox/OAN/Newsmax. There is a reason they aren't accepted as viable sources. Long term 45 supporters here won't engage any more other than "laugh" emo's. New ones are quickly going to my "Ignore User" list for their specious words.

 

Until we have honest conversations, the adults trying to fix the country will have the added burden of dealing with the impudent children fighting progress.

[ezzra]

Too early to tell really, as usually history is the better judge of events and their aftermath, is the world worse now because of Trump? some will say yes others will beg to differ, for now, let's see how 46 will do...

Edited January 19, 2021 by ezzra

[J Town]

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

Too early to tell really, as usually history is the better judge of events and their aftermath, is the world worse now because of Trump? some will say yes others will beg to differ...

And, as I just posted, the never-45 people will use facts. The others will either "laugh emo" or post idiotic, nonsensical words devoid of facts.

[Tug]

He was an abomination of a president the absolute worst ever.we will learn more in the coming days I’m afraid good riddance I sincerely hope that some how you pay for what you have done to our nation 

[thaibeachlovers]

NB: to avoid having to put IMO after everything I write, everything I write on this post is my opinion.

 

Let's never forget that Trump has not started any wars during his term- a huge achievement. Other than that, 3 conservative judges on SCOTUS has cemented his legacy for decades to come.

 

In the future, after the mania has receded and calmer minds evaluate, Trump will be seen as a great president for all the great things he achieved in only 3 years ( the last year was basically lost to corona ) while being assailed on all sides for everything he did. The establishment, the woke left and the media were relentless in their attacks against him, and he was diverted by a Russian investigation ( which cost millions and did not remove him ) for too long ( he should have sacked Sessions the day he recused himself, but hindsight is brilliant ). Despite all the attacks, what he achieved was substantial and productive- I doubt a normal politician could have achieved half of it in 8 years.

Were it not for corona I have no doubt he would be waiting to start his second term now.

Trump was ( and still is ) a dominating presence, and I doubt he is going away any time soon. Any that thought his losing the election would be the end of Trump are going to be hugely disappointed. Never forget that Trump was not elected because of himself, but as a revolt against the Washington establishment, and that enormous mass of disaffected voters is not going away quietly.  If Biden does not do something to satisfy the millions that voted against him, the anti establishment movement is only going to grow. If he doesn't get it right, in 2022 he's going to lose congress. The Democrat majority is very small, and will not take much to lose it.

I doubt that Biden can withstand the hard left, and policies enacted will not endear the population to him ( just wait till he puts up taxes on the middle class ), but time ( and the 2022 election ) will tell.

I doubt Trump will be convicted in the senate, and I hope he will be running again for POTUS in 2024. If he doesn't run, I expect him to be involved in primary selections, and a supremacy of Trump allied GOP candidates.

Roll on 2022 and 2024 .

 

Over some considerable time, many Trump hater posters have made some pretty outlandish claims about Trump in the final days eg he was going to start a military coup, that he was going to refuse to leave the White House, that Melania was going to divorce him, that he was going to start a nuclear war, that he was going to start a war to divert attention. None of those have eventuated .

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

Farewell Mr Trump. I wish you well in the future, whatever that may be.

 

When he was elected I said that it would be an "interesting" presidency, and that prediction was spot on.

The past 4 years have been a hell of a ride.

 

I predict that Trump will NOT be vanishing from CNN, BBC, Al Jazira any time soon, so expect to be seeing him on tv for years to come.

[J Town]

What did I say about 45 supporters writing nonsensical garbage and putting the laugh emo on factual posts?

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13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

NB: to avoid having to put IMO after everything I write, everything I write on this post is my opinion.

 

Let's never forget that Trump has not started any wars during his term- a huge achievement. Other than that, 2 conservative judges on SCOTUS has cemented his legacy for decades to come.

 

In the future, after the mania has receded and calmer minds evaluate, Trump will be seen as a great president for all the great things he achieved in only 3 years ( the last year was basically lost to corona ) while being assailed on all sides for everything he did. The establishment, the woke left and the media were relentless in their attacks against him, and he was diverted by a Russian investigation ( which cost millions and did not remove him ) for too long ( he should have sacked Sessions the day he recused himself, but hindsight is brilliant ). Despite all the attacks, what he achieved was substantial and productive- I doubt a normal politician could have achieved half of it in 8 years.

Were it not for corona I have no doubt he would be waiting to start his second term now.

Trump was ( and still is ) a dominating presence, and I doubt he is going away any time soon. Any that thought his losing the election would be the end of Trump are going to be hugely disappointed. Never forget that Trump was not elected because of himself, but as a revolt against the Washington establishment, and that enormous mass of disaffected voters is not going away quietly.  If Biden does not do something to satisfy the millions that voted against him, the anti establishment movement is only going to grow. If he doesn't get it right, in 2022 he's going to lose congress. The Democrat majority is very small, and will not take much to lose it.

I doubt that Biden can withstand the hard left, and policies enacted will not endear the population to him ( just wait till he puts up taxes on the middle class ), but time ( and the 2022 election ) will tell.

I doubt Trump will be convicted in the senate, and I hope he will be running again for POTUS in 2024. If he doesn't run, I expect him to be involved in primary selections, and a supremacy of Trump allied GOP candidates.

Roll on 2022 and 2024 .

 

Over some considerable time, many Trump hater posters have made some pretty outlandish claims about Trump in the final days eg he was going to start a military coup, that he was going to refuse to leave the White House, that Melania was going to divorce him, that he was going to start a nuclear war, that he was going to start a war to divert attention. None of those have eventuated .

 

 

 

So much silliness here. But the silliest is giving Trump credit for appointing conservative Supreme Court justices. What did Trump do to create those vacancies? Did he have Scalia and Ginsberg assassinated?  Do ya think if it had been some other conservative Republican President, he or she would have appointed someone in the mold of Sotomayor. Oh, and by the way, it was 3 Supreme Court justices, not 2.

[sirineou]

Let's be honest , he did accomplish some things,

his incredible plan to replace Obama Care  that he will release in two weeks ls like the best in the history of America. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by sirineou
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[Sujo]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

Too early to tell really, as usually history is the better judge of events and their aftermath, is the world worse now because of Trump? some will say yes others will beg to differ, for now, let's see how 46 will do...

One thing is certain. He promised maga but left it in a terrible state.

[J Town]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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Over some considerable time, many Trump hater posters have made some pretty outlandish claims about Trump in the final days eg he was going to start a military coup, that he was going to refuse to leave the White House, that Melania was going to divorce him, that he was going to start a nuclear war, that he was going to start a war to divert attention. None of those have eventuated .

Not gonna address most of your "opinions." Two points on the above:

 

1.  "Trump haters" label is provocative. We've explained many times nobody hates the man, we hate his policies and to use words like "hater," "liberal," "snowflake" etc. only further the divide.

 

2.  Even Mitch McConnell admits 45 instigated the terrorist attack against the capitol and is considering Senate conviction.

 

45's erratic behavior left nothing off the table. Fear of some last leaving atrocities is STILL a concern until 12:01 p.m. 20 Jan EST.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

45 was a failure in every way.

 

He inherited a growing economy; he left a Recession.

His failure to address CV-19 early on..."It's just 15 cases, and soon those will go down to zero....just disappear like magic.....Dem Hoax (used that until mid-June 2020), etc.".....has now resulted in over 400,000 deaths

He inherited unemployment of 4.8%; leaves with a questionable 6.7% and a 14 million person smaller US workforce, as 'discouraged workers' left the workforce permanently

He left the US isolated from traditional allies

He ballooned the National Debt from $19.4 trillion to $27.8 trillion

He cost the US Taxpayer---according to the GAO---over $148,000,000 for his almost 300 golf outings

 

He leaves office with the worst Approval Rating of any POTUS since Nixon, and is the first POTUS never to have topped 50% in Approval Rating, as well as hitting a personal low upon exit.

 

To throw salt in the wounds, his wife is the first FLOTUS ever to leave with a net negative Approval Rating.

But to be fair,the last year of his term was  when the corona pandemic was raging.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

But to be fair,the last year of his term was  when the corona pandemic was raging.

With a big thanks to trump to make sure it raged faster and bigger than anywhere else in the world.

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

But to be fair,the last year of his term was  when the corona pandemic was raging.

And ANYONE would have handled it better. Hell, a baked potato would have handled it better. Baked potatoes don't lie.

[kingdong]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

With a big thanks to trump to make sure it raged faster and bigger than anywhere else in the world.

Think he was in the position where he coudn,t do right for doing wrong,you only have to look at the views on corona on tvf to see the diverse views expressed.

Edited January 19, 2021 by kingdong

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

"Trump haters" label is provocative. We've explained many times nobody hates the man, we hate his policies and to use words like "hater," "liberal," "snowflake" etc. only further the divide.

 

Your original post in here was straight attacking people on the right, finger pointing, blaming, and calling people children - and now look at you acting like you care about "the divide" 

You literally cant see it can you ???? 

 

 

[CharlieH]

Reported post and responses removed.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, J Town said:

1.  "Trump haters" label is provocative. We've explained many times nobody hates the man, we hate his policies and to use words like "hater," "liberal," "snowflake" etc. only further t

Seriously? The below quote from Tug seems pretty "hateful" to me.

 

Tug

 

Posted 44 minutes ago

He was an abomination of a president the absolute worst ever.we will learn more in the coming days I’m afraid good riddance I sincerely hope that some how you pay for what you have done to our nation 

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Think he was in the position where he couldn't do right for doing wrong, you only have to look at the views on corona on tvf to see the diverse views expressed.

No. He lied to the American people, ADMITTED he lied in a recorded interview, then made mask wearing a political battle. There is blood on his little hands.

[sirineou]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously? The below quote from Tug seems pretty "hateful" to me.

 

Tug

He was an abomination of a president the absolute worst ever.we will learn more in the coming days I’m afraid good riddance I sincerely hope that some how you pay for what you have done to our nation 

I thought he was being kind

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Whether or not a particular person's condemnation of Trump is motivated by hate, what makes all the Trump criticism really unfair is that he never did anything to provoke such reactions:

The Complete List of Trump’s Twitter Insults (2015-2021)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/19/upshot/trump-complete-insult-list.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

I thought he was being kind

Thanks for proving my point.

[Jeffr2]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Farewell Mr Trump. I wish you well in the future, whatever that may be.

 

When he was elected I said that it would be an "interesting" presidency, and that prediction was spot on.

The past 4 years have been a hell of a ride.

 

I predict that Trump will NOT be vanishing from CNN, BBC, Al Jazira any time soon, so expect to be seeing him on tv for years to come.

Sad times when people praise a criminal.  And one potentially responsible for the deaths of thousands due to his lies and botched handling of the virus.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/19/trump-coronavirus-genocide-crime-against-humanity/
 

Quote

 

The U.S. Coronavirus Response Might Be a Crime Against Humanity

 

The Trump administration callously dismissed the deaths of the most vulnerable, including minorities.

 

Researchers at Columbia University compared the Trump administration response to COVID-19 to the response of other nations and estimated that the ineffective strategy in the United States resulted in 130,000 to 210,000 needless deaths over less than a year.

 

 

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Now, if Trump had done something really ugly and stupid like questioning both whether his predecessor was born in the USA and if he was eligible to be President, then he might have merited such condemnations. But who could ever sink so low as to have done that?

[sirineou]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Thanks for proving my point.

If I posted how I really feel for this waste of human skin president of yours, never mind every other world will be automatically blipped out, it would probably earn me a suspension from TVF. 

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

No. He lied to the American people, ADMITTED he lied in a recorded interview, then made mask wearing a political battle. There is blood on his little hands.

Think you,ll find all politicians lie,goes with the job,at the start of the pandemic he was between the devil and the deep blue sea,and had to weigh off the risks to the nations health against the economy,and who were " the experts" not the who?at the start it seemed no one had a clue.one thing he did right was to stop paying who.

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Think he was in the position where he coudn,t do right for doing wrong,you only have to look at the views on corona on tvf to see the diverse views expressed.

Read this and get back to us...doubt you will....

 

I guess the virus wasn't a hoax brought on by the dems to make him look bad.  Trump did an excellent job of that. LOL

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/covid-deaths-2020.html

One Year, 400,000 Coronavirus Deaths: How the U.S. Guaranteed Its Own Failure

After the White House declined to pursue a unified national strategy, governors faced off against lobbyists, health experts and a restless public consumed by misinformation.

 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously? The below quote from Tug seems pretty "hateful" to me.

 

Tug

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Posted 44 minutes ago

He was an abomination of a president the absolute worst ever.we will learn more in the coming days I’m afraid good riddance I sincerely hope that some how you pay for what you have done to our nation 

That post is spot on.  Unless you've drank the propaganda koolaid.