Korat: Police hunt for man, 20, who failed to show at wedding to 15 year old bride

[RichardColeman]

14 hours ago, webfact said:

Police hunt for man, 20, who failed to show at wedding to 15 year old bride

Be fair to the guy, he was off getting the weeks lottery numbers from the deformed mystical magic pig to support her.

[RobU]

15 hours ago, Catkiwi said:

The family thought it was a great idea to peddle their underage daughter for money, until they didn't get any and now want to charge the groom that was to be, with going with a minor? Clearly, high morals and ethics abound!

Not peddling the daughter for money it is a shotgun wedding forcing the man who made her pregnant to marry and support her and the child The word Dowry is wrong it's actually the traditional Bride Price and is negotiated before any wedding and often barely pays for the cost of the wedding,  the price was negotiated rather than sending him to prison, it is eminently practical. It is all very honourable under Thai tradition. Don't apply European customs to Thai culture

[RobU]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Surprised the Thai bashers haven't had a filed day here, apart from one post. As you stated in your previous post, this happens all over the world. Wasn't there a rock n roll star who married his 13-year-old cousin in the states? Actually, didn't Elvis ? 

Yup Jerry Lee Lewis back in the 50's married his 13 year old cousin. It was quite normal and legal at the time in his state in the USA. She did an interview stating how she would be a good wife. They were both ostracised and his tour of the UK was cancelled and his career was almost destroyed. She divorced him in 1970 for infidelity and abuse

[Don Chance]

I am sure we could find a farang to take his place. Isn't 15 the age of consent anyways, not fair to force this guy into marriage.

[Bangkok Barry]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

13 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

20 hours ago, webfact said:

They went to court and made a charge against the groom of going with a minor. He was bailed and said he'd fight it in court.

So, if he had shown up as demanded there would have been no problem about her being a minor.

 

If the family's satisfied, who's going to press charges?

The police?

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The police?

 

Good luck getting her to testify.

 

[Ventenio]

2 hours ago, Don Chance said:

I am sure we could find a farang to take his place. Isn't 15 the age of consent anyways, not fair to force this guy into marriage.

if you hold an American passport and do something with a girl under 18, it's a federal crime back home.  i think it should be higher, maybe 20....but whatever.  i even think in Thailand it's now 18....no clue, I think under 30 here and they are pretty immature.  even over 30

[fredwiggy]

Laws governing sexual activity are covered in the Penal Code while marriage and family matters are covered in the Civil and Commercial Code. The age of sexual consent here is 15, while the age of consent for marriage is 17. Marriage for persons under 17-years-old requires consent of the family court. Marriage for persons between the ages of 17-19 requires parental consent. Adulthood starts at 20 years of age.

As in most Western countries, once married, a minor is deemed to be legally emancipated. A unique aspect of Thai law is that if a sexual encounter occurs with a teen (aged 15-18) outside the home it requires parental consent. There seems to be a legal presumption that if the sexual activity occurs in the minor’s home, the parents have consented. .............................The age of consent at 15 is an abomination in itself. Children agreeing to have sex with children, which in turn ends up with children having children, most of which are raised by grandparents, because the boy usually leaves, being not held responsible here, so the girl feels the need to go to Bangkok to make an extra 100 baht a day (which goes towards rent anyway) and then sends some money back to her parents for the child's needs. Seeing her child maybe 3 times a year. While the boy rarely if ever follows through with any help.  This country leads the world in children raised by grandparents for those exact reasons. The age of consent was put forth by disturbed minded individuals. The brain isn't fully developed until the early twenties, meaning rational decisions aren't made, especially regarding children whose hormones are raging. I'm not seeing where this boy broke any laws besides moral ones. Of course, in America, where the age of consent is 18, at least they are a little more grown up regarding who they let have sex with them. Here, I have never seen, talked to, or heard of,  more single mothers with kids who are either being raised by grandparents, or the mothers, living with extended family, while the boy is nowhere to be seen. This is and has been a major problem here, and will continue to cause the country to fail in many ways, especially poverty. If the courts would make these boys responsible, maybe they would wear condoms?

 

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

So, if he had shown up as demanded there would have been no problem about her being a minor.

Yep screwed up Thai law and parents that allow daughters to be bought.

[Pravda]

21 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Laws governing sexual activity are covered in the Penal Code while marriage and family matters are covered in the Civil and Commercial Code. The age of sexual consent here is 15, while the age of consent for marriage is 17. Marriage for persons under 17-years-old requires consent of the family court. Marriage for persons between the ages of 17-19 requires parental consent. Adulthood starts at 20 years of age.

As in most Western countries, once married, a minor is deemed to be legally emancipated. A unique aspect of Thai law is that if a sexual encounter occurs with a teen (aged 15-18) outside the home it requires parental consent. There seems to be a legal presumption that if the sexual activity occurs in the minor’s home, the parents have consented. .............................The age of consent at 15 is an abomination in itself. Children agreeing to have sex with children, which in turn ends up with children having children, most of which are raised by grandparents, because the boy usually leaves, being not held responsible here, so the girl feels the need to go to Bangkok to make an extra 100 baht a day (which goes towards rent anyway) and then sends some money back to her parents for the child's needs. Seeing her child maybe 3 times a year. While the boy rarely if ever follows through with any help.  This country leads the world in children raised by grandparents for those exact reasons. The age of consent was put forth by disturbed minded individuals. The brain isn't fully developed until the early twenties, meaning rational decisions aren't made, especially regarding children whose hormones are raging. I'm not seeing where this boy broke any laws besides moral ones. Of course, in America, where the age of consent is 18, at least they are a little more grown up regarding who they let have sex with them. Here, I have never seen, talked to, or heard of,  more single mothers with kids who are either being raised by grandparents, or the mothers, living with extended family, while the boy is nowhere to be seen. This is and has been a major problem here, and will continue to cause the country to fail in many ways, especially poverty. If the courts would make these boys responsible, maybe they would wear condoms?

 

You think too mutt

[BTB1977]

Can't put a price on virginity.  Oh wait,  I guess they did. Around 80,000 baht. 

[SW Happy]

20 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

So, if he had shown up as demanded there would have been no problem about her being a minor.

No. Once he handed over 60.000 baht and the gold there would be no problem!

[Catkiwi]

13 hours ago, RobU said:

Not peddling the daughter for money it is a shotgun wedding forcing the man who made her pregnant to marry and support her and the child The word Dowry is wrong it's actually the traditional Bride Price and is negotiated before any wedding and often barely pays for the cost of the wedding,  the price was negotiated rather than sending him to prison, it is eminently practical. It is all very honourable under Thai tradition. Don't apply European customs to Thai culture

There is no mention that the girl is pregnant so in that sense it was not a shotgun wedding. The price was negotiated when the wedding was agreed upon. Please do not preach to me about Thai culture and traditions. The fact that they only wanted to charge the guy with going with a minor after he didn't front and after they missed out on the Dowry (yes it is a dowry) speaks for it's self as to their motivations behind insisting on a marriage. 

[Catkiwi]

1 minute ago, Catkiwi said:

There is no mention that the girl is pregnant so in that sense it was not a shotgun wedding. The price was negotiated when the wedding was agreed upon. Please do not preach to me about Thai culture and traditions. The fact that they only wanted to charge the guy with going with a minor after he didn't front and after they missed out on the Dowry (yes it is a dowry) speaks for it's self as to their motivations behind insisting on a marriage. 

 

[Neeranam]

13 hours ago, Don Chance said:

I am sure we could find a farang to take his place. Isn't 15 the age of consent anyways, not fair to force this guy into marriage.

What are you suggesting about farang?

[richard_smith237]

On 1/21/2021 at 4:05 PM, Tengtai said:

In civilized countries kids are not allowed to get married ????

 

You may want do double check your statement - cross check it with parental consent.

i.e. in the US with parent consent (16) and with parental and judicial consent (even younger i.e. 12)

 

In the US more than 200,000 minors were married between 2000 and 2015. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States

Laws were updated in 2018.

 

England and Wales (18), Scotland (16).

[Huckenfell]

On 1/22/2021 at 8:41 PM, Catkiwi said:

There is no mention that the girl is pregnant so in that sense it was not a shotgun wedding. The price was negotiated when the wedding was agreed upon. Please do not preach to me about Thai culture and traditions. The fact that they only wanted to charge the guy with going with a minor after he didn't front and after they missed out on the Dowry (yes it is a dowry) speaks for it's self as to their motivations behind insisting on a marriage. 

If she is not pregnant, thank her luck and take it as a lesson learned.

[RobU]

On 1/22/2021 at 10:41 AM, Catkiwi said:

There is no mention that the girl is pregnant so in that sense it was not a shotgun wedding. The price was negotiated when the wedding was agreed upon. Please do not preach to me about Thai culture and traditions. The fact that they only wanted to charge the guy with going with a minor after he didn't front and after they missed out on the Dowry (yes it is a dowry) speaks for it's self as to their motivations behind insisting on a marriage. 

I stand corrected regarding the pregnancy. However this is not a dowry. A dowry is paid directly to the bridegroom by the brides family. The original purpose of a dowry in every culture in the world that has such a tradition is to provide a lump sum (either money or goods) for the bride should her husband die or divorce her so she can survive as a single woman. The husband effectively holds the dowry in escrow e.g. goats and livestock (and any progeny) of a dowry managed by the husband revert to the wife on his death or divorce. Thai Culture does not have dowry's. The Bride price (which is what this is) is negotiated between the 2 families and is paid by the husbands family to the brides family. It is the price paid for raising the girl,  she is being taken into the husbands family and the husbands parents pay the brides parents for their parenting. Often (as in this case) most of the bride price is used by the brides parents to provide a slap up wedding for the bride in the home village as a mark of how much she is regarded. The man effectively raped the girl then promised to marry her so he wouldn't go to prison. The 2 families got together and agreed the bride price and part of the negotiations will have centred around the cost of the wedding. The brides family the organised the wedding on the basis of that promise and the groom's family welched on the deal leaving the brides family in severe debt adding insult to injury. The groom's family have welched on the deal and therefore their punishment is for the groom to be charged with rape.

[Catkiwi]

8 hours ago, RobU said:

I stand corrected regarding the pregnancy. However this is not a dowry. A dowry is paid directly to the bridegroom by the brides family. The original purpose of a dowry in every culture in the world that has such a tradition is to provide a lump sum (either money or goods) for the bride should her husband die or divorce her so she can survive as a single woman. The husband effectively holds the dowry in escrow e.g. goats and livestock (and any progeny) of a dowry managed by the husband revert to the wife on his death or divorce. Thai Culture does not have dowry's. The Bride price (which is what this is) is negotiated between the 2 families and is paid by the husbands family to the brides family. It is the price paid for raising the girl,  she is being taken into the husbands family and the husbands parents pay the brides parents for their parenting. Often (as in this case) most of the bride price is used by the brides parents to provide a slap up wedding for the bride in the home village as a mark of how much she is regarded. The man effectively raped the girl then promised to marry her so he wouldn't go to prison. The 2 families got together and agreed the bride price and part of the negotiations will have centred around the cost of the wedding. The brides family the organised the wedding on the basis of that promise and the groom's family welched on the deal leaving the brides family in severe debt adding insult to injury. The groom's family have welched on the deal and therefore their punishment is for the groom to be charged with rape.

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