Popular Post wasabi Posted January 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Oh <deleted>....from that article.................. "Friday was expected to be a milestone in Thailand’s battle against Covid-19, with Thai officials and executives U.K.’s AstraZeneca Plc. hailing regulatory approval of its coronavirus vaccine. Instead, the news conference was abruptly canceled with the Matichon newspaper reporting that the British-Swiss firm was reconsidering its partnership with the government." Looks like Thailand has shot itself in the foot big time. Not good news for those wanting a vaccine this year here in Thailand Even with my low expectations for competence and positive results here this is a potential major screw up 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internationalism Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 So thai government made yet another blunder. it was wise to order asap 200k from abroad, that is for health workers. equally good was ordering 2mln of sinovac, albeit more expensive, but ready to be shipped. It's 650b per shot, on comparison to 230b for astrazeneca. I do suspect that thailand is not ready to make a large quantity of astrazeneca. Lack of expertise. It was ambitious, and profitable, to try and make it locally, but India can make it faster, better and cheaper. Hence there is health clearance for imported Astrazeneca, but not yet for the one made locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbenson Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Looks like there's trouble at mill with AZ vaccine and Thailand. AZ reconsidering its partnership with the government according to this article. https://bangkokherald.com/coronavirus/astrazeneca-rethinks-thailand-vaccine-plans-amid-govt-prosecution-of-covid-19-critic/ Well isn't that awkward. Thailand has a lot to lose here. They lose not only the vaccine production and revenue, they also lose the technology transfer - the equipment, training, and experience of mass producing a vaccine. They have opportunity to steal business from India in the future. I hope that this will go through, although I think human rights concerns are important. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mbenson said: Well isn't that awkward. Thailand has a lot to lose here. They lose not only the vaccine production and revenue, they also lose the technology transfer - the equipment, training, and experience of mass producing a vaccine. They have opportunity to steal business from India in the future. I hope that this will go through, although I think human rights concerns are important. May be political/ human rights. Or AZ may have learned from Rolls Royce. Edited January 22, 2021 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, mbenson said: Well isn't that awkward. Thailand has a lot to lose here. They lose not only the vaccine production and revenue, they also lose the technology transfer - the equipment, training, and experience of mass producing a vaccine. They have opportunity to steal business from India in the future. I hope that this will go through, although I think human rights concerns are important. AZ like Pfizer has trouble delivering the promised doses, so maybe AZ rethinks their strategy and moves some production to a country where it's more reliable? It's a big loss for Thailand if they lose that option as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunque Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 9:13 AM, Bkk Brian said: Perhaps this Serum Institute of India can teach Siam Bio Science how its done. ???? I think that the French are first in the queue for lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shdmn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Virt said: AZ like Pfizer has trouble delivering the promised doses, so maybe AZ rethinks their strategy and moves some production to a country where it's more reliable? It's a big loss for Thailand if they lose that option as you said. It is being made in several large factories all over the world. More than Pfizer. So I think they have done more than anyone else on that front. Edited January 22, 2021 by shdmn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 8:21 AM, KhunBENQ said: Well, in other countries the same has happened with the intention of building confidence. Not so wrong. Wasn't the Queen No 1? Nope. She got in line and only had it recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 15 hours ago, internationalism said: But its a lie, vax cost $7.7, not $5. It would only be a lie against definitive proof. Why haven't you posted the reference to back up that claim? Do not refer to the budget, that is anticipated cost based on the variables, rather than an actual cost determined by agreement. One has to assume that you have never heard the expressions, 'economy of scale' and 'distribution cost'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 hours ago, internationalism said: So thai government made yet another blunder. It is a foregone conclusion that this forum would blame the Thai government. The real issue is not the rights or wrongs of the Thai action, but the global perception of the UK government if they allow AZ to use politics as a pawn in the midst of a global crisis. The UK reputation is already in tatters with backtracking on agreement, this would do them no good whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internationalism Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, sandyf said: It would only be a lie against definitive proof. Why haven't you posted the reference to back up that claim? Do not refer to the budget, that is anticipated cost based on the variables, rather than an actual cost determined by agreement. One has to assume that you have never heard the expressions, 'economy of scale' and 'distribution cost'. Devide 6bln for purchase of 26mln doses. This price is without storage, distribution, administering and rest of logistic costs. That would be covered within health system. That is exactly what budged was aproved. the correcr prise of a dose in the EU is e1.78 which is around $2. A huge difference, which can be only explained by corruption. thailand was going to make 200mln doses per year, so similar to what the EU has ordered (they have ordered many different ones). yes, everybody is going to blame thai government for waisting money, delaying purchase and now trying to shut up corruption scandal by throwing 11 lese majeste and article 116 computer act charges against thanathorn. no respectable international company will deal with such government, because if at some point the government brakes part of agreement, astrazeneca representatives can also be prosecuted by same laws. Its too serious for them to lose any presence in thailand, as they already sell many medicines in this market. now thailand migh be lucky to get 200k doses, because they are also part of 26mln contract. The rest, as well as another 36mln doses, are in limbo. you should not include the UK into this discussion. Their government hasnt got anything to do with thai blunder. The AZ refused to hold joint conference with thai health ministry. British embassador was not involved. But probably he should speak up about it publicly. He was a deal braker between AZ and thai government. So now he is also implicated Edited January 23, 2021 by internationalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyhangmon Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Seems more like AZ not able to deliver, news out of (at least) Austria talk about a reduction from 2 million plus jabs ordered to only 5 to 600k to be delivered as things stand now ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert the bear Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) the govt has agreement to import the vaccs,not make them here yet, Edited January 24, 2021 by rupert the bear typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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