U.S., staying in WHO, to join COVID vaccine push for poor nations - Fauci

[ExpatOK]

3 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Do tell, is that what happens to military retirees who receive earned medical benefits around the globe. Plenty of American retirees in Ethiopia are there?

So only certain countries for your plan? Just make it Thailand only cuz you live there.

[wwest5829]

3 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

So only certain countries for your plan? Just make it Thailand only cuz you live there.

Let me try again. My thinking is to extend earned Medicare coverage on the same basis as earned military retirees medical coverage. Tri-care has already operated for years.

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3 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

So only certain countries for your plan? Just make it Thailand only cuz you live 

Ya think people will flock to be treated in countries where medical standards of care are abysmal?

[thailand49]

3 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

All that ended January 20th.

That is obvious  with Biden in charge all his appointments are throwbacks from the Obama days who I voted twice but what a disappointment. Everyone is expecting same old same old, which includes Nato members again not paying their share.

 

As for Thailand puppet Chan is already jumping for joy! 

[cormanr7]

The COVAX project is not running smoothly so far. Some reasons for this are discussed in a Nature editorial

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00044-9. As noted (quote) 'In the middle of a pandemic, perhaps it was too much to expect countries to prioritize a collective scheme over securing their own supplies'. 

While many countries (190 are mentioned with 92 as potential receivers, https://www.who.int/news/item/18-12-2020-covax-announces-additional-deals-to-access-promising-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-plans-global-rollout-starting-q1-2021

have joined COVAX is is often unclear what their actual  contribution is (lots of 'pledges' which is different from actual payment) and financial contributions fall far short of what is required (though the US joining might help). Canada has discussed donation vaccines to COVAX 

 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-covax-exc/exclusive-canada-in-talks-to-donate-extra-covid-19-vaccine-shots-to-poorer-countries-sources-idUSKBN27Y2UU?edition-redirect=uk

for some time  but this has not happened so far  https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/covid-19-vaccines-canadians-torn-between-helping-the-world-and-helping-themselves-1.24269566

 

 

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, Searat7 said:

China needs to pay fair share, not the paltry amount they paid in the past. Also I am not Impressed with leader of WHO as he was obviously in bed with China and am not sure if he is a medical doctor....would not hurt to replace him. 

 

This Fauci  is a real piece of work. He was with Trump 95% of the time. Now that we have a new president he says Trump is bad and Biden is good. He will turn on anyone that is not in power just to get his face in the press. Yes China needs to pay big time, but will Biden presser them, I thing not. It takes a smart country like Australia to pressure China. And they are paying the price. As far as WHO goes, they should have had answers to the virus a long time ago and what are they doing in China now. Trying to find answers to something that is impossible to find now?

[thailand49]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

Just curious. You favor a “flat tax”? Or do you allow for a graduated taxation dependent on total income?

 

You question really has nothing to do with the thread being discussed!  There is really no reason for the U.S. to be paying this amount. Questions do you think China payment of 40 million is enough?  Do you think China should be giving back to the world 16 trillion lost economic from their pandemic or should the world continue to kiss their butts for what they have done?

Edited January 22, 2021 by onthedarkside
off topic comment removed

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Searat7 said:

China needs to pay fair share, not the paltry amount they paid in the past. Also I am not Impressed with leader of WHO as he was obviously in bed with China and am not sure if he is a medical doctor....would not hurt to replace him. 

 

head of WHO has very impressive credentials...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom#Global_health_initiatives

[Proboscis]

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

It is those rich countries who will pay for the poor country vaccines.

If you destroy the economy of the well managed and responsible nations how do you expect them to help those less developed and worse managed?

Maybe if poor countries not build palaces and  armies they have money for vaccine?

There is though a sad fact about pandemics. If there is not a global effort to deal with them, they will come back again and again. So if you use the fact, and I agree it is a fact, that some of the leaders of some developing countries build palaces and armies instead of their countries, to deny those countries access to vaccines, then those locations become the petrie dishes for the viruses/bateria to mutate and return in a new pandemic.

 

So if you don't want the economies of rich and well-run Western countries to be shut down again and again and again, better get with the global vaccine program.

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14 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

 

This Fauci  is a real piece of work. He was with Trump 95% of the time. Now that we have a new president he says Trump is bad and Biden is good. He will turn on anyone that is not in power just to get his face in the press. Yes China needs to pay big time, but will Biden presser them, I thing not. It takes a smart country like Australia to pressure China. And they are paying the price. As far as WHO goes, they should have had answers to the virus a long time ago and what are they doing in China now. Trying to find answers to something that is impossible to find now?

Such nonsense. Early on, Trump cut him out and he was forbidden to speak freely.

How exactly is Biden going to get China to pay?

Trump couldn't even get them to live up to their end of the deal buying stuff from America.

How exactly was Australia pressuring China? They criticized China, but did nothing material. Rather it's China pressuring Australia by refusing to buy its coal, even though that has meant considerable discomfort for many Chinese enduring winter weather.

[wwest5829]

59 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

You question really has nothing to do with the thread being discussed!  There is really no reason for the U.S. to be paying this amount. Questions do you think China payment of 40 million is enough?  Do you think China should be giving back to the world 16 trillion lost economic from their pandemic or should the world continue to kiss their butts for what they have done?

 

Yea, why I said I was curious. As a student of history, I make all kinds of connections. The flat tax and all countries not having an equal contribution ... whether it be Covid vaccine payment or NATO contributions, I see as related. I approach things as an academic exercise in discussion. Keeps the “Old Timers” at bay ...

Edited January 22, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[RJRS1301]

5 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

push for a vaccine while they cannot control covid in their home country

A push for vaccine is not mutually exclusive from attempting to put measures in place to try to gain some modicum of control after the mamoth stuff ups by the former administration.

[Odysseus123]

Well done the US!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, ExpatOK said:

Sounds like you want Americans First no matter where they live. All that ended on Jan 20.

 

The memo from the U.S. Embassy in BKK advising us locals that we'd be on our own for sourcing CV vaccines (the U.S. government wasn't going to do anything for Americans living abroad) went out during the final days of the Trump Admin.

 

And thus far, I haven't heard of any change of plans with that from the incoming administration. But I doubt it's something they've even had a chance to consider as yet, given all the other bigger picture issues on the table.

 

At least with the former Trump Admin, we knew exactly and clearly where they stood on the issue, and it was to offer no vaccine assistance to expats. So kind of hard to argue that things are going to be worse under the Biden Admin.

 

 

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[onthedarkside]

Some off-topic posts and portions of posts have been removed.

 

[FarFlungFalang]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

I am not asking for the Thais to put me in front of their own citizens, although I would guess Thais in the US are not being asked to return to Thailand and are getting a free vaccination from the US government. What I am asking is for our embassy to step up and protect the interest of American citizens in Thailand. Provide facilities (it doesn't need to be done on embassy grounds) where American funded vaccine shots can be given to American citizens.

I feel confident that these vaccines will become accessible to all at all public health facilities here in Thailand once they are distributed.I also think it will be at a fair price compared to private hospitals.

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Such nonsense. Early on, Trump cut him out and he was forbidden to speak freely.

How exactly is Biden going to get China to pay?

Trump couldn't even get them to live up to their end of the deal buying stuff from America.

How exactly was Australia pressuring China? They criticized China, but did nothing material. Rather it's China pressuring Australia by refusing to buy its coal, even though that has meant considerable discomfort for many Chinese enduring winter weather.

You really need to stop watching CNN!!!

[tifino]

2 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

You really need to stop watching CNN!!!

better off connecting to CNNNN via YouTube ???? 

 

[simple1]

35 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

You really need to stop watching CNN!!!

 

member 'placemaker' comments are accurate, so kindly name, with links, your sources for info? Will be interesting to see if they stack up. Usual MO from those from the right of centre is to refuse to name sources, one hopes you're open to sharing source info.

[Thingamabob]

Here we go. Freebies all round. Welcome back Dems.

 

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2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

You really need to stop watching CNN!!!

You're claiming that Fauci wasn't restricted in his communications with the public?

Are you claiming that Trump regularly consulted with Fauci throughout the epidemic?

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12 hours ago, vandeventer said:

You really need to stop watching CNN!!!

Trump White House slams Fauci, cancels his TV appearances

What the White House has done, among other things, is basically kept Fauci off television. “Face the Nation” host Margaret Brennan told viewers she’s been trying to book him for three months. The coronavirus task force briefings have become infrequent, handed off to Mike Pence and moved out of the White House, and Fauci’s schedule was such that he couldn’t attend the last one.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-white-house-slams-fauci-cancels-his-tv-appearances

 

Trump threatens to fire Fauci in rift with disease expert

OPA-LOCKA, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump is suggesting that he will fire Dr. Anthony Fauci after Tuesday's election, as his rift with the nation's top infectious disease expert widens while the nation sees its most alarming outbreak of the coronavirus since the spring.

Speaking at a campaign rally in Opa-locka, Florida, Trump expressed frustration that the surging cases of the virus that has killed more than 231,000 people in the United States this year remains prominent in the news, sparking chants of "Fire Fauci" from his supporters.

"Don't tell anybody but let me wait until a little bit after the election," Trump replied to thousands of supporters early Monday, adding he appreciated their "advice."

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/government/trump-threatens-fire-fauci-rift-disease-expert

 

Fauci says he hasn’t briefed Trump in two months as Covid-19 cases rise

President said public health expert ‘made a lot of mistakes’ while nearly 3.2 million have contracted the coronavirus

Donald Trump says Dr Anthony Fauci is “a nice man, but he’s made a lot of mistakes”. Fauci says he last saw Trump on 2 June and has not briefed him in two months.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/trump-fauci-covid-19-coronavirus-cases

[herfiehandbag]

9 hours ago, John Drake said:

That is speculation. When? What hospitals? The embassy told us in its email to follow the rules for Thai vaccination procedures. What are those rules for Americans? Most everyone on these fora have said Americans and other expats will and should be last in line behind any Thais getting the vaccine. Will that actually be the case?

What is speculation is the suggestion that Americans and other expats will be somehow discriminated against in any Thai national vaccination scheme.

[RJRS1301]

9 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Here we go. Freebies all round. Welcome back Dems.

 

So the poor are disposable and unworthy of treatment and prevention ?

True empathy from the self entitled 

Sounds  like collateral damage.
 

Edited January 22, 2021 by RJRS1301

[sirineou]

14 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

So the poor are disposable and unworthy of treatment and prevention ?

True empathy from the self entitled 

Sounds  like collateral damage.
 

Sure because if we inoculate everyone in our country but allow the virus to run rampant in the poor countries it would never make it back to our country after our vaccinations wear out. 

You can't talk sense with these people my friend , if they had any they would not be posting  the things they are. They would cut their nose off to spite their face. 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

Sure because if we inoculate everyone in our country but allow the virus to run rampant in the poor countries it would never make it back to our country after our vaccinations wear out. 

You can't talk sense with these people my friend , if they had any they would not be posting  the things they are. They would cut their nose off to spite their face. 

Likely those whining about humanitarian support would also be anti government / anti vax 

[simple1]

12 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Here we go. Freebies all round. Welcome back Dems.

 

How many trillions of dollars were spent on Covid due to trump's incompetence with managing the spread? BTW trump's 'America First' was a strategic failure.

[Odysseus123]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

Sure because if we inoculate everyone in our country but allow the virus to run rampant in the poor countries it would never make it back to our country after our vaccinations wear out. 

You can't talk sense with these people my friend , if they had any they would not be posting  the things they are. They would cut their nose off to spite their face. 

The internet always attracts strong Cluster B personality types (apart from the totally lunatic) and that is what you are reacting to,my friend.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Odysseus123

[sirineou]

11 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

The internet always attracts strong Cluster B personality types (apart from the totally lunatic) and that is what you are reacting to,my friend.

Good thing I am not attracted to the internet. I like girls!! LOL

I will admit , though I have heard of the personality clusters , I did not remember what they were, so I google it.  And interestingly enough Cluster B personality type did indeed describe some of the perplexing reactions I get when arguing with some of these people. 

When I counter an argument with facts and links to the sources that support the facts instead of getting a "Fair enough" they simply ignore it, and move on to something else. 

Which leads me to wonder if there is something physically different in the structure of the brains  of conservative minds.I did not call it wrong, because that would make an arguable value judgment. 

I remember watching a  talk on the subject   where it suggested that by looking at differences in the brain structure one could  predict with a frequency of 71,6% who would be conservative or progressive. 

I will not pursue the  subject any further as not to derail this thread,  Perhaps I will start a thread after a research it a bit. If interested watch the video I attached also as a link not to distract from the thread. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI-un8rHP14&t=386s