Why vaccianate everybody instead of just 10-20%?

[gafdtomaka366 51]

Given that around 90% recover with no problem at all, and given that the number would be even higher if every sick person  was discovered, why vaccianate everybody instead of 10%, at most 20%, in the risk group?

[ukrules 21,509]

The very vulnerable are the elderly patients who don't make it into ICU for one reason or another - like they're too old and frail to survive invasive emergency treatment (ventilation), so they die before it gets to this stage.

 

That leaves the vast majority of other patients - people in their 50's and 60's - these need treating for weeks at a time and fill ICU into expanded emergency capacity.

 

This expanded emergency capacity comes from shutting down other parts of the hospital and converting the available treatment rooms like an operating theater into a ICU treatment room

 

The above is why they're going to vaccinate everyone over 50 as a priority.

 

Before the ICU stage are the others who also require treatment, these can be from any age group and they may move between categories of severity. Some only requiring oxygen before recovery - they also take up a huge amount of space.

 

The reason the vaccine is being rolled out is so people can receive healthcare on an ongoing basis, it's not about getting you down the pub again for a couple of beers, it's to make sure when you have a heart attack or stroke or break your back that there's a hospital available to treat you.

 

The above covers merely the basics and is just a slight summary based on what I've heard from an 'ICU Lead' in the UK - someone who is in control of a load of COVID patients on a daily basis, consider it a first hand report from the front line by way of this post.

 

 

Edited January 24 by ukrules

[richard_smith237 27,248]

+ 1 for the post above [ukrules]

 

Vaccinate the elderly and those in high risk groups first (which they are doing).

i.e. 80+ high risk, then 70+ then 60+ etc

 

In addition to what ukrules has written... 

 

Even though statistically a person is younger than 60 is at less risk of serious symptoms related to Covid-19 there is still a risk. There has been talk of additional risk of thrombosis etc.. and no one wants a horrible flu that knocks them on their backside for a week or more, the same for Covid-19. If the vaccine means we only suffer mild (or no) symptoms vs being stuck in bed for 5 days etc then we should all take it. 

 

I want to see everyone vaccinated as soon as possible so I can get back to travel without quarantine.

 

I want to see the world get back to as close to normal as soon possible. 

 

Even though people suggest that we can make our own minds up and take the risk if we want to be vaccinated or expose ourselves to Covid-19, some suggest its their choice. But, what they are failing to recognise in their selfishness is that if they become sick and need hospitalisation they are using up vital resources needed for others. 

 

 

 

[cdemundo 375]

34 minutes ago, gafdtomaka366 said:

Given that around 90% recover with no problem at all, and given that the number would be even higher if every sick person  was discovered, why vaccianate everybody instead of 10%, at most 20%, in the risk group?

 

When I read questions like this I think of "business consultants" or new employees who came into the job where i worked and said "The way you do the job is wrong."  Usually this was based on insufficient information and ignorance of the fact that the way things were done was a result of applying experience and the knowledge that comes with it.  I recently saw a cartoon that sums it up with humor: 3 scientists are in the lab and one is at his computer.  He says to the others "I know we have devoted our whole lives to the study of infectious disease, but this guy on Facebook makes a lot of sense."

[gafdtomaka366 51]

12 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

When I read questions like this I think of "business consultants" or new employees who came into the job where i worked and said "The way you do the job is wrong."  Usually this was based on insufficient information and ignorance of the fact that the way things were done was a result of applying experience and the knowledge that comes with it.  I recently saw a cartoon that sums it up with humor: 3 scientists are in the lab and one is at his computer.  He says to the others "I know we have devoted our whole lives to the study of infectious disease, but this guy on Facebook makes a lot of sense."

 

I see that you have nothing to say but still want to say something? Better say nothing then.

 

If they - the governments, WHO and whoever you refer to - know better, how come that we have pandemic going on, and which has been going on for over 1 year with increasing speed, in the first place?

[gafdtomaka366 51]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

The very vulnerable are the elderly patients who don't make it into ICU for one reason or another - like they're too old and frail to survive invasive emergency treatment (ventilation), so they die before it gets to this stage.

 

That leaves the vast majority of other patients - people in their 50's and 60's - these need treating for weeks at a time and fill ICU into expanded emergency capacity.

 

...........

You've answered something but my question.

Edited January 24 by gafdtomaka366

[richard_smith237 27,248]

4 minutes ago, gafdtomaka366 said:

You've answered something but my question.

 

He answered your question perfectly....  cdemundo’s response probably explains why you don’t understand it ! 

[cdemundo 375]

30 minutes ago, gafdtomaka366 said:

I see that you have nothing to say but still want to say something? Better say nothing then.

 

If they - the governments, WHO and whoever you refer to - know better, how come that we have pandemic going on, and which has been going on for over 1 year with increasing speed, in the first place?

 You make my case exactly.  You know better than those who have education, experience, and knowledge.  Welcome to TVF, you will fit right in.

 

[Pro1Expat 125]

34 minutes ago, gafdtomaka366 said:

 

I see that you have nothing to say but still want to say something? Better say nothing then.

 

If they - the governments, WHO and whoever you refer to - know better, how come that we have pandemic going on, and which has been going on for over 1 year with increasing speed, in the first place?

Trouble is the Governments and WHO (who appears to be manipulated by the Chinese) don't appear to have the slightest idea about this. who is pulling the strings as it isn't the governments. If the governments "knew best" why do they use information that has been shown to be wrong?

[sirineou 17,899]

Because the vaccine is not there to only prevent those with severe reaction from getting ill but to also reduce infection incident and reduce or eliminate mutations that can invalidate the vaccine and/or change the trajectory of the virus. 

every time there is a new infection, symptomatic or not there is a chance for a mutation, the more infections the more chances for a mutation, if it is allowed to run rampant it is inevitable that it will mutate. 

[Scott 16,294]

Conspiracy post and replies removed.  

 

[ezzra 44,067]

3 hours ago, gafdtomaka366 said:

Given that around 90% recover with no problem at all, and given that the number would be even higher if every sick person  was discovered, why vaccianate everybody instead of 10%, at most 20%, in the risk group?

Your argument doesn't hold water when it comes to possible mutations of the virus that are far more contagious and deadly than the current covid-19 one...

[tribalfusion001 5,940]

No country will ever get 100% compliance with the vaccines and you can't discriminate against 10 or 20 or 30% of the population. Personal choice is whether you want it or not, my personal choice is I don't need it just as I don't need the flu vaccine. My choice, my life.

[RJRS1301 10,237]

If the proportion of vaccinated people in a community falls below the herd immunity threshold, exposure to a contagious disease could result in the disease quickly spreading. Measles has recently resurged in several parts of the world with relatively low vaccination rates, including the United States. Opposition to vaccines can pose a real challenge to herd immunity.  

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

 

Generally needs to be higher than 80%

 

Saying 90% recover is over simplictic,  as it does not account for ongoing long term effects, extreme longterm fatigue, cardiac complication.\, kidney impairment, ongoing respiratory effects,increased risk of stroke, (research suggests the risk of stroke in under 50s on respirators is very high)  this is not only occurrring in older people but also younger infected.

 

Edited January 24 by RJRS1301

[richard_smith237 27,248]

58 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

No country will ever get 100% compliance with the vaccines and you can't discriminate against 10 or 20 or 30% of the population. Personal choice is whether you want it or not, my personal choice is I don't need it just as I don't need the flu vaccine. My choice, my life.

 

Unfortunately, your choices may impact others if you choose to avoid a vaccine. 

 

For the vaccine such as this to work over a certain ’threshold’ (%) of a population needs to be vaccinated to prevent further spread.

 

If 50% of the people refuse to have a virus and carry on as normal, they are still placing those in high risk groups at risk.

 

If 10% of the people refuse to have a virus and carry on as normal, there is less chance the virus can spread to and through them as when / if the virus reaches them the have a lower viral load and are contagious for a shorter period. 

 

 

Thus: For those unwilling to take vaccine I would argue that this is fine. IF they are prepared to refuse medical cover if they fall sick from Covid-19 leaving ‘medical facilities available' for those who chose differently, and, IF they are prepared to continue to isolate so they don’t put others at risk. 

 

Your life, Your choice, as you wrote - but that surely must come with conditions if you wish to remain part of society. 

 

Edited January 25 by richard_smith237