Trump lawyer Giuliani faces $1.3 billion lawsuit over 'big lie' election fraud claims

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2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Hence my comment of the stupidity of suing someone for more than they are worth and the intelligence of a legal team that know they cannot get what they are asking for !

Do you think Dominion really cares about the money? They just want to bury Giuliani under a pile of debt for the rest of his live or make him grovel to get out from under it.

[herfiehandbag]

Well now, you can certainly say that Giuliani "went for broke" over the last couple of months!

[candide]

Here's an analysis about Powell case. 

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/legal-experts-say-dominions-defamation-lawsuit-against-sidney-powell-appears-to-be-extremely-strong-it-will-be-a-hell-of-a-ride/

[bendejo]

11 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You're under the mistaken impression that Rudy has a case.  He doesn't.  He doesn't have anything.  It will be an embarrassing spectacle if Rudy goes to court.  But I'm sure he'll settle.  Not even Rudy is that stupid. 

 

If there was even a smidgen of evidence of real election fraud it would have been brought forth by now.  Remember when one of their arguments was that someone counting the ballots was rude to an observer?  The best witness they could find was that drunk lady, but at least she was entertaining.

 

 

[Odysseus123]

12 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

yet the court(s) has(have) already decided, what is it 60 times already?,

Perseveration being the spice of life for those who have embraced the 'package'.

 

Dominion has just added yet another string to the fiddle of the conspiracists-and,as we all know...there's plenty a repetitive tune that can be played on an old fiddle.

 

I hope that this case flattens Murdoch's creatures as well.

[Jillie Norman]

I know they're doing this all for a reason but it gets it really tiring especially to the people. Can't we just stop and move on? It's hard to start anew if everyone's thinking of something to put someone else down? Someone needs to stop and not pass on the grudge.

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, Jillie Norman said:

I know they're doing this all for a reason but it gets it really tiring especially to the people. Can't we just stop and move on? It's hard to start anew if everyone's thinking of something to put someone else down? Someone needs to stop and not pass on the grudge.

I am sure you understand that the explanation was given as to why previuosly promised targets may fall short due to the previous administration failure to plan and risk manage. That is a reason , not blaming.

Funny though the previous administration never ceased to negatively comment about the Obama administration , while it chipped around the edges undermining social and community achievements and undermining the financial systems which had been successful in many areas, and taking qudos for improvements which had nothing to do with them.

 

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

If there was even a smidgen of evidence of real election fraud it would have been brought forth by now.  Remember when one of their arguments was that someone counting the ballots was rude to an observer?  The best witness they could find was that drunk lady, but at least she was entertaining.

 

 

???Lady?? female/woman yes, her behaviour did not behoove a "lady".

 

[impulse]

And around the 2018 midterms a lot of the MSM did extensive investigative pieces about how insecure the voting machines are. (Not just Dominion)

 

Here’s just one…  NPR.  Real Trump fanboys.  In 2019.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

Strangely, they've gone quiet now that the results have swung the other way.  But I digress.

 

You can pull up half a dozen YouTubes of guys who bought current model voting machines at government surplus auctions, took them home and showed how easy it is to hack them.  (Again, not just Dominion)

 

The NSA has been hacked.  The US military has been hacked.  If I’m to believe some of the Discovery documentaries, they have rooms full of people sitting at terminals to catch intrusions.  Does Dominion?   An Iranian uranium plant with an air gap was hacked.  City, county and state agencies are hacked all the time.

 

Is it really hard to imagine that, even if Dominion did the very best they could, it’s possible some of their machines were hacked?  Maybe the usual suspects, but just as likely to have been China or Russia or N Korea. 

 

Bottom line, one side wants to do a transparent deep dive into the machines to see if there were any problems.  The other side is resisting, kicking and screaming, claiming no evidence.  What could they possibly have to lose by an open and transparent forensic analysis of the machines?    If they’re clean- a lot of the animosity of the 40% of skeptical voters goes away.  If they were hacked, it needs to be fixed before the next election.

 

Good news...  The discovery process for these lawsuits.

 

 

[balo]

From hero to traitor.  He will not be missed.

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4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

And around the 2018 midterms a lot of the MSM did extensive investigative pieces about how insecure the voting machines are. (Not just Dominion)

 

Here’s just one…  NPR.  Real Trump fanboys.  In 2019.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

Strangely, they've gone quiet now that the results have swung the other way.  But I digress.

 

You can pull up half a dozen YouTubes of guys who bought current model voting machines at government surplus auctions, took them home and showed how easy it is to hack them.  (Again, not just Dominion)

 

The NSA has been hacked.  The US military has been hacked.  If I’m to believe some of the Discovery documentaries, they have rooms full of people sitting at terminals to catch intrusions.  Does Dominion?   An Iranian uranium plant with an air gap was hacked.  City, county and state agencies are hacked all the time.

 

Is it really hard to imagine that, even if Dominion did the very best they could, it’s possible some of their machines were hacked?  Maybe the usual suspects, but just as likely to have been China or Russia or N Korea. 

 

Bottom line, one side wants to do a transparent deep dive into the machines to see if there were any problems.  The other side is resisting, kicking and screaming, claiming no evidence.  What could they possibly have to lose by an open and transparent forensic analysis of the machines?    If they’re clean- a lot of the animosity of the 40% of skeptical voters goes away.  If they were hacked, it needs to be fixed before the next election.

 

Good news...  The discovery process for these lawsuits.

 

 

I guess Giuliani and Powell were just refusing to offer valid evidence in order to have a court case. And despite the fact that so much of the nonsense about voting fraud has been conclusively disproved, most Trump supporters go on believing it any anyway. No amount of evidence and reason is going to dissuade these voters from what are, functionally speaking, their religious convictions.

[herfiehandbag]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No amount of evidence and reason is going to dissuade these voters from what are, functionally speaking, their religious convictions.

Whilst at first sight it might seem bizarre to equate the belief that the election was stolen with religious convictions, one must then consider how bizarre some of their actual religious convictions are!

[Jeffr2]

13 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Hence my comment of the stupidity of suing someone for more than they are worth and the intelligence of a legal team that know they cannot get what they are asking for !

First, they're sending a message.  And that's fantastic.  Fake news should have a financial penalty and it will dissuade others from doing the same.

 

Second, it's a negotiation.  And since you have no idea who the legal team is, how can you judge their intelligence?

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

And around the 2018 midterms a lot of the MSM did extensive investigative pieces about how insecure the voting machines are. (Not just Dominion)

 

Here’s just one…  NPR.  Real Trump fanboys.  In 2019.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

Strangely, they've gone quiet now that the results have swung the other way.  But I digress.

 

You can pull up half a dozen YouTubes of guys who bought current model voting machines at government surplus auctions, took them home and showed how easy it is to hack them.  (Again, not just Dominion)

 

The NSA has been hacked.  The US military has been hacked.  If I’m to believe some of the Discovery documentaries, they have rooms full of people sitting at terminals to catch intrusions.  Does Dominion?   An Iranian uranium plant with an air gap was hacked.  City, county and state agencies are hacked all the time.

 

Is it really hard to imagine that, even if Dominion did the very best they could, it’s possible some of their machines were hacked?  Maybe the usual suspects, but just as likely to have been China or Russia or N Korea. 

 

Bottom line, one side wants to do a transparent deep dive into the machines to see if there were any problems.  The other side is resisting, kicking and screaming, claiming no evidence.  What could they possibly have to lose by an open and transparent forensic analysis of the machines?    If they’re clean- a lot of the animosity of the 40% of skeptical voters goes away.  If they were hacked, it needs to be fixed before the next election.

 

Good news...  The discovery process for these lawsuits.

 

 

You should read the article.  You missed the point completely.  And misrepresented it.

 

They were talking about the hiring of hackers to test the machines.  Specifically:

 

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The machine he's investigating is a ballot-marking device used to help people with physical impairments or language barriers vote, and it's running a version of Windows that is more than 15 years old.

 

Seems you glean from that article what you want.  Doubt you even read it.

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

 

That’s true. 

And around the 2018 midterms a lot of the MSM did extensive investigative pieces about how insecure the voting machines are. (Not just Dominion)

 

Here’s just one…  NPR.  Real Trump fanboys.  In 2019.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

Strangely, they've gone quiet now that the results have swung the other way.  But I digress.

 

You can pull up half a dozen YouTubes of guys who bought current model voting machines at government surplus auctions, took them home and showed how easy it is to hack them.  (Again, not just Dominion)

 

The NSA has been hacked.  The US military has been hacked.  If I’m to believe some of the Discovery documentaries, they have rooms full of people sitting at terminals to catch intrusions.  Does Dominion?   An Iranian uranium plant with an air gap was hacked.  City, county and state agencies are hacked all the time.

 

Is it really hard to imagine that, even if Dominion did the very best they could, it’s possible some of their machines were hacked?  Maybe the usual suspects, but just as likely to have been China or Russia or N Korea. 

 

Bottom line, one side wants to do a transparent deep dive into the machines to see if there were any problems.  The other side is resisting, kicking and screaming, claiming no evidence.  What could they possibly have to lose by an open and transparent forensic analysis of the machines?    If they’re clean- a lot of the animosity of the 40% of skeptical voters goes away.  If they were hacked, it needs to be fixed before the next election.

 

Good news...  The discovery process for these lawsuits.

 

 

 

clean machines?  endless fishing expeditions?  doesn't matter if they find nothing.  "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!"  just means they haven't looked hard enough.  the truth is in there.  true believers truly believe, they trust the plan, they await the kraken.

 

the following is from fox news, so it must be true, unless they're also secretly part of the deep-state:

 

 

2020 election ‘most secure in American history,’ federal election security officials say

There is no evidence that any voting system 'deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised'

 

This election cycle was the most secure ever, despite a surge in mail-invoting prompted by the coronavirus pandemic.

A joint statement issued on Thursday by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating executive committees said this year’s election marked “the most secure in American history.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-election-secure-history-federal-security

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

 

That’s true. 

And around the 2018 midterms a lot of the MSM did extensive investigative pieces about how insecure the voting machines are. (Not just Dominion)

 

Here’s just one…  NPR.  Real Trump fanboys.  In 2019.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

Strangely, they've gone quiet now that the results have swung the other way.  But I digress.

 

You can pull up half a dozen YouTubes of guys who bought current model voting machines at government surplus auctions, took them home and showed how easy it is to hack them.  (Again, not just Dominion)

 

The NSA has been hacked.  The US military has been hacked.  If I’m to believe some of the Discovery documentaries, they have rooms full of people sitting at terminals to catch intrusions.  Does Dominion?   An Iranian uranium plant with an air gap was hacked.  City, county and state agencies are hacked all the time.

 

Is it really hard to imagine that, even if Dominion did the very best they could, it’s possible some of their machines were hacked?  Maybe the usual suspects, but just as likely to have been China or Russia or N Korea. 

 

Bottom line, one side wants to do a transparent deep dive into the machines to see if there were any problems.  The other side is resisting, kicking and screaming, claiming no evidence.  What could they possibly have to lose by an open and transparent forensic analysis of the machines?    If they’re clean- a lot of the animosity of the 40% of skeptical voters goes away.  If they were hacked, it needs to be fixed before the next election.

 

Good news...  The discovery process for these lawsuits.

 

 

"What could they possibly have to lose by an open and transparent forensic analysis of the machines?    If they’re clean- a lot of the animosity of the 40% of skeptical voters goes away.  If they were hacked, it needs to be fixed before the next election."

This has been done, extensively already. The animosity doesn't go away and will not go away until the people responsible for this 'fake election' outcry admit there was nothing to it 

[RJRS1301]

22 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"What could they possibly have to lose by an open and transparent forensic analysis of the machines?    If they’re clean- a lot of the animosity of the 40% of skeptical voters goes away.  If they were hacked, it needs to be fixed before the next election."

This has been done, extensively already. The animosity doesn't go away and will not go away until the people responsible for this 'fake election' outcry admit there was nothing to it 

You think they will admit it was all BS//??

That woud cause loss of face, and you know , living in Asia how that is, now multiply by 1000% and you have the humiliation that 45 and its enablers will feel. 

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

You think they will admit it was all BS//??

That woud cause loss of face, and you know , living in Asia how that is, now multiply by 1000% and you have the humiliation that 45 and its enablers will feel. 

No, they'll never admit it, so this whole nonsense is here to stay.

[Jeffr2]

8 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Perseveration being the spice of life for those who have embraced the 'package'.

 

Dominion has just added yet another string to the fiddle of the conspiracists-and,as we all know...there's plenty a repetitive tune that can be played on an old fiddle.

 

I hope that this case flattens Murdoch's creatures as well.

When Dominion announced these lawsuits, they sent notices to many media outlets.  Fox, OANN, Newsmax, etc.  If you noticed, NO articles or mentions about vote fraud with these machines was posted after that.  An immediate stop.

 

Fox has told employees to not discard anything related to this.  Sure hope Dominion sues them.  Hannity is on the lawsuit though.  Fantastic!  He's a disgusting individual profiting off misinformation.

 

I heard the same request was made to the WH.  Employees were told not to discard documents related to this.

[Nout]

On 1/26/2021 at 4:32 AM, RichardColeman said:

Just showing the stupidity of the US civil legal system - $1.3 billion ? I mean what's the point of suing someone (rightly or wrongly) for $1.255 billion more than a guy is worth (according to wiki) ? 

The point is to destroy someone.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Nout said:

The point is to destroy someone.

Fantastic.  These nutters need to be destroyed.  Look what they did to the US.

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7 minutes ago, Nout said:

The point is to destroy someone.

Financially  yes. A proper payback for someone who is still trying to destroy them.

[J Town]

On 1/26/2021 at 4:32 AM, RichardColeman said:

Just showing the stupidity of the US civil legal system - $1.3 billion ? I mean what's the point of suing someone (rightly or wrongly) for $1.255 billion more than a guy is worth (according to wiki) ? 

They want to be able to attach at least his next six lifetimes. Knowing what a skeeze he has been, he'll easily reincarnate as himself.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

And around the 2018 midterms a lot of the MSM did extensive investigative pieces about how insecure the voting machines are. (Not just Dominion)

 

Here’s just one…  NPR.  Real Trump fanboys.  In 2019.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

 

And who, according to the above article, fought and opposed efforts at the federal level to do things to enhance election security and protect against foreign interference?

 

"Republicans, led by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have resisted calls for large amounts of new funding or legislation.

 

One reason is principle: McConnell and some of his colleagues argue that Congress should not "federalize" a practice in which responsibility now rests with state and local jurisdictions around the country.

 

Another objection is practical: The government did a good job safeguarding the 2018 midterm elections, McConnell argues, which ran comparatively smoothly."

 

[bendejo]

34 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

When Dominion announced these lawsuits, they sent notices to many media outlets.  Fox, OANN, Newsmax, etc.  If you noticed, NO articles or mentions about vote fraud with these machines was posted after that.  An immediate stop.

 

Fox has told employees to not discard anything related to this.  Sure hope Dominion sues them.  Hannity is on the lawsuit though.  Fantastic!  He's a disgusting individual profiting off misinformation.

 

I heard the same request was made to the WH.  Employees were told not to discard documents related to this.

 

Ailes had a rule of picking targets that probably won't strike back, like people who can't afford lawsuits.  This time it was Powell who led them into it and followed her over the ledge.  Bye-bye.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

12 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

Ailes had a rule of picking targets that probably won't strike back, like people who can't afford lawsuits.  This time it was Powell who led them into it and followed her over the ledge.  Bye-bye.

 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-trump-fox-news-newsmax-oan-sidney-powell-defamation-lawsuits-2021-1

 

Attorneys for Dominion and Smartmatic, another election-technology company, have warned of lawsuits against President Donald Trump, Fox News, Newsmax, and One America News.

 

Legal experts told Insider such defamation lawsuits could be big wins for Dominion.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Also, the other issue about the election fraud conspiracy theory -- which the theorists often seem to fail to acknowledge -- is that most U.S. states and jurisdictions keep paper ballot records of votes cast via machines as a backup measure.

 

And as far as I'm aware, in the wake of the election, every time there's been a manual count of the paper ballots, those have pretty much matched the voting machine results.

 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Also, the other issue about the election fraud conspiracy theory -- which the theorists often seem to fail to acknowledge -- is that most U.S. states and jurisdictions keep paper ballot records of votes cast via machines as a backup measure.

 

And as far as I'm aware, in the wake of the election, every time there's been a manual count of the paper ballots, those have pretty much matched the voting machine results.

 

and the dems increased their lead after one recount.

 

Dems lose and people not happy. Repubs lose and its storm the bastille day.

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3 hours ago, J Town said:

They want to be able to attach at least his next six lifetimes. Knowing what a skeeze he has been, he'll easily reincarnate as himself.

Because he couldn't come back as anything lower? Am I explaining the joke?

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, Nout said:

The point is to destroy someone.

which trump has done about 3000 times with his contractors.