webfact Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Senator Leahy to preside over Trump's impeachment trial FILE PHOTO: U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) asks a question during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing titled "Police Use of Force and Community Relations" in Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, D.C., U.S., June 16, 2020. Tom Williams/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate's longest-serving member, Democrat Patrick Leahy, will preside over the upcoming impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump, Leahy said on Monday. U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts presided at Trump's first impeachment trial last year, as the Constitution requires in presidential impeachments. But senators can preside when the person being impeached is not the current president of the United States, a Senate source said, speaking on condition of anonymity. Leahy, 80, a lawmaker from Vermont who took office in 1975, is the senator with the most seniority in either party. "When I preside over the impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump, I will not waver from my constitutional and sworn obligations to administer the trial with fairness, in accordance with the Constitution and the laws," Leahy said in a statement. The U.S. House of Representatives on Monday will deliver an article of impeachment to the Senate, accusing Trump of inciting insurrection in a fiery speech to his followers before this month's deadly attack on the Capitol. But the trial is not expected to get started until Feb. 9. Leahy will still be able to vote in the trial, an aide said, noting that senators vote on all matters when presiding over the Senate. But some Republicans questioned the arrangement. "How does a Senator preside, like a judge, and serve as juror too?" Senator John Cornyn wrote on Twitter. When the Senate removed U.S. District Judge Thomas Porteous in a 2010 impeachment trial, Senator Daniel Inouye both presided over the trial and voted. When that was pointed out to Cornyn on Twitter on Monday, the senator replied: "He was a judge, not a former president." Leahy is president pro tempore of the Senate, meaning he is empowered to preside over Senate sessions in the absence of Vice President Kamala Harris. That duty is usually rotated, however, among senators of the majority party. Being president pro tempore also makes Leahy, who is the senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, the third in line of presidential succession, after the vice president and speaker of the House. (Reporting by Susan Cornwell; Editing by Bill Berkrot and Peter Cooney) -- © Copyright Reuters 2021-01-26 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2021 Rip him a new one senator inciting insurrection and attempting a coup cannot go unpunished 9 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Tug said: Rip him a new one senator inciting insurrection and attempting a coup cannot go unpunished And put each any everyone of the GOP Senators Record on where they stand on the attempted coup. 6 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiFelix Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 11 hours ago, Tug said: Rip him a new one senator inciting insurrection and attempting a coup cannot go unpunished and murder! 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted January 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2021 IMO not enough Republican senators will grow a spine and convict Trump. Which just demonstrates their venality, voting in favor of a guy who only a couple of weeks ago incited a mob to overthrow them. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 trump should continue to own the party. He can ensure that no Republican will ever win the Presidency. Interesting the House is ignorantly believing he can help win back the Hous with trumps help but that is NOT going to happen because trump NOT on the ticket will have the effect of the House losing seats in 2022. No way Biden loses re-election against trump either 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted January 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, earlinclaifornia said: trump should continue to own the party. He can ensure that no Republican will ever win the Presidency. Interesting the House is ignorantly believing he can help win back the Hous with trumps help but that is NOT going to happen because trump NOT on the ticket will have the effect of the House losing seats in 2022. No way Biden loses re-election against trump either A good example of how the sum of individual interests does not reflect the collective interest. In would be in the collective interest of the GOP to get rid of Trump. However, individually, Republicans think they can benefit from appealing to the Trump supporter base, or alternatively are afraid of negative consequences on their career if they oppose Trump. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 the way these elite GOP lawmakers belly dance to keep Trump's kind attentions is just deplorable Anti-Trump group launches $1M billboard campaign calling on Cruz, Hawley, McCarthy to resign - POLITICO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kelsall Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 9:35 PM, Lacessit said: IMO not enough Republican senators will grow a spine and convict Trump. Which just demonstrates their venality, voting in favor of a guy who only a couple of weeks ago incited a mob to overthrow them. They will vote to acquit because this is like the last impeachment: A nothing burger. 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 One of the most partisan Democrat senators in the chamber...there goes any pretense of fairness and objectivity. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post earlinclaifornia Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, Kelsall said: They will vote to acquit because this is like the last impeachment: A nothing burger. We agree that he will get the acquittal but the reason is NOTa nothing burger. His followers would make the Republicans who vote to convict pay bigly. Spineless is more accurate than burgers. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOK Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said: We agree that he will get the acquittal but the reason is NOTa nothing burger. His followers would make the Republicans who vote to convict pay bigly. Spineless is more accurate than burgers. "Train Wreck" is the most accurate. The Democrats are stuck with this mess and there's no way out. Pelosi is on record saying that impeaching a former President who won 70++ million votes will unite the country. Wrong. People with triple digit IQ's see the folly of the Democratic party's actions. The Democrats brought this on themselves and they will pay the price. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, ExpatOK said: "Train Wreck" is the most accurate. The Democrats are stuck with this mess and there's no way out. Pelosi is on record saying that impeaching a former President who won 70++ million votes will unite the country. Wrong. People with triple digit IQ's see the folly of the Democratic party's actions. The Democrats brought this on themselves and they will pay the price. Imo what we are experienceing is the death throes of the Republican Party mr trump attempted a coup in most countries that means prison or quite possibly execution most sane republicans are law abiding and conservative in nature eventually they will see through the bs it’s trump that’s the train wreck not the dems sad about the Republican Party I’ve voted Republican many times but not anymore 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: One of the most partisan Democrat senators in the chamber...there goes any pretense of fairness and objectivity. Should Trump be convicted, having him in charge will IMO only convince the Trump base of millions that the trial was rigged, regardless of the actuality. IMO the Democrats are on a path to divide the country MORE, not less. Trump did not attempt to have Hillary tried after he became president, which IMO was because he realised that it would not be a good way to start his term. As I see it, this desire to try Trump after he is gone is mainly for revenge, which is more likely, IMO, to turn public opinion against the Democrats than not. They may think it will prevent him from becoming president again in 2024, but it can't keep him from being involved in politics, whatever they do. Biden may believe that if he doesn't say anything about it he will not be tarred with the same brush, but Pontius Pilate is not remembered favorably for washing his hands of responsibility. Biden is implicated, whether he does, or does not, say anything, IMO. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 8 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said: We agree that he will get the acquittal but the reason is NOTa nothing burger. His followers would make the Republicans who vote to convict pay bigly. Spineless is more accurate than burgers. Seems we agree on something. Any GOP senator that votes to convict will, IMO, pay "bigly". IMO they should be expecting to be removed at their next election. However, I would apply "spineless" to the Democrats that go along with this, IMO, revenge trial, despite knowing it is wrong to do so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Seems we agree on something. Any GOP senator that votes to convict will, IMO, pay "bigly". IMO they should be expecting to be removed at their next election. However, I would apply "spineless" to the Democrats that go along with this, IMO, revenge trial, despite knowing it is wrong to do so. What's wrong to do is to incite an insurrection against your own country. Mr. trump is guilty as sin. Republicans know that too but they either like it or are just going along out of fear of the disgraced ex-president primarying them. They had their chance to divorce themselves from Mr. trump. They already blew it. There is almost no place left in the republican party for anyone that isn't still going along with the cult of Mr. trump. It's true that still represents a large base. But large doesn't mean a majority, before, now, or EVER. Edited January 30, 2021 by Jingthing 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kelsall said: They will vote to acquit because this is like the last impeachment: A nothing burger. At least the first one was a constitutional nuthin' burger. For this one, they've abandoned even the pretense of constitutionality. Edited January 30, 2021 by impulse 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Should Trump be convicted, having him in charge will IMO only convince the Trump base of millions that the trial was rigged, regardless of the actuality. IMO the Democrats are on a path to divide the country MORE, not less. Trump did not attempt to have Hillary tried after he became president, which IMO was because he realised that it would not be a good way to start his term. As I see it, this desire to try Trump after he is gone is mainly for revenge, which is more likely, IMO, to turn public opinion against the Democrats than not. They may think it will prevent him from becoming president again in 2024, but it can't keep him from being involved in politics, whatever they do. Biden may believe that if he doesn't say anything about it he will not be tarred with the same brush, but Pontius Pilate is not remembered favorably for washing his hands of responsibility. Biden is implicated, whether he does, or does not, say anything, IMO. Whoever is in charge, they will believe It's rigged. Just like they believe Trump's scam about rigged elections. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Credo Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Should Trump be convicted, having him in charge will IMO only convince the Trump base of millions that the trial was rigged, regardless of the actuality. IMO the Democrats are on a path to divide the country MORE, not less. Trump did not attempt to have Hillary tried after he became president, which IMO was because he realised that it would not be a good way to start his term. As I see it, this desire to try Trump after he is gone is mainly for revenge, which is more likely, IMO, to turn public opinion against the Democrats than not. They may think it will prevent him from becoming president again in 2024, but it can't keep him from being involved in politics, whatever they do. Biden may believe that if he doesn't say anything about it he will not be tarred with the same brush, but Pontius Pilate is not remembered favorably for washing his hands of responsibility. Biden is implicated, whether he does, or does not, say anything, IMO. This is a function purely of the Congressional branch. Biden has nothing to do with it and saying anything could be viewed as interference. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 My entire life I have lived by the rule that accountability is most important of anything. triump has to adhere to that principal period 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO the Democrats are on a path to divide the country MORE, not less. Trump did not attempt to have Hillary tried after he became president, which IMO was because he realised that it would not be a good way to start his term. If the Democrat Party continues on its crusade against President Trump and sets the precedent that a private citizen can be tried in the Senate and possibly stripped of their civil rights, a future Republican controlled Congress may move to impeach and try President Obama, and strip him of the right to hold a federal office in the future. (Like maybe a Supreme Court seat.) They should be remember the axiom to be careful what they wish for. Edited January 31, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: If the Democrat Party continues on its crusade against President Trump and sets the precedent that a private citizen can be tried in the Senate and possibly stripped of their civil rights, a future Republican controlled Congress may move to impeach and try President Obama, and strip him of the right to hold a federal office in the future. (Like maybe a Supreme Court seat.) They should be remember the axiom to be careful what they wish for. This is insane logic. Trump was impeached while still in office, for actions he took while in office. So your example is completely false. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Berkshire said: This is insane logic. Trump was impeached while still in office, for actions he took while in office. So your example is completely false. Yes but the trial is taking place after...breaking precedent. Republicans can break precedent too and impeach a President who is no longer in office. Be careful what you wish for... 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Yes but the trial is taking place after...breaking precedent. Republicans can break precedent too and impeach a President who is no longer in office. Be careful what you wish for... Boy, like talking to a brick wall. If the Republicans want to impeach a President Obama while he's in office and conduct the trial after he's left office, that would be fine. Understand? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Berkshire said: Boy, like talking to a brick wall. If the Republicans want to impeach a President Obama while he's in office and conduct the trial after he's left office, that would be fine. Understand? How is holding a Senate trial for a private citizen, a break with precedent, different from impeaching a president no longer in office (also a break with precedent). Be careful what you wish for. Edited January 31, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 hours ago, Kelsall said: They will vote to acquit because this is like the last impeachment: A nothing burger. Right. Inciting a riot where people were killed....hardly a nothing burger. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOK Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jingthing said: What's wrong to do is to incite an insurrection against your own country. Mr. trump is guilty as sin. Republicans know that too but they either like it or are just going along out of fear of the disgraced ex-president primarying them. They had their chance to divorce themselves from Mr. trump. They already blew it. There is almost no place left in the republican party for anyone that isn't still going along with the cult of Mr. trump. It's true that still represents a large base. But large doesn't mean a majority, before, now, or EVER. There is no evidence President Trump is guilty. Listen to his speech. There is no evidence that a cult of President Trump exists. You are correct, though, that there is no place left in the Republican party for anyone who doesn't support President Trump. And that's a good thing, good for the party, good for the USA. Edited January 31, 2021 by ExpatOK 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOK Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: Right. Inciting a riot where people were killed....hardly a nothing burger. President Trump did not incite a riot. Listen to his speech. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: One of the most partisan Democrat senators in the chamber...there goes any pretense of fairness and objectivity. You can say the same about pretty much all GOP senators. NO fairness and NO objectivity. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Should Trump be convicted, having him in charge will IMO only convince the Trump base of millions that the trial was rigged, regardless of the actuality. IMO the Democrats are on a path to divide the country MORE, not less. Trump did not attempt to have Hillary tried after he became president, which IMO was because he realised that it would not be a good way to start his term. As I see it, this desire to try Trump after he is gone is mainly for revenge, which is more likely, IMO, to turn public opinion against the Democrats than not. They may think it will prevent him from becoming president again in 2024, but it can't keep him from being involved in politics, whatever they do. Biden may believe that if he doesn't say anything about it he will not be tarred with the same brush, but Pontius Pilate is not remembered favorably for washing his hands of responsibility. Biden is implicated, whether he does, or does not, say anything, IMO. If Trump's base thinks the trial was rigged, it's because of the fake news their fed. By the media and members of the GOP. Why would Trump try Hillary? Doesn't make sense. This impeachment is setting an example. Violate the law and you'll face the consequences. If not, I'm sure you'll be OK with Biden doing the same. Fair is fair, right? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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