Popular Post tonray Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said: Don't need a vaccine just a piece of paper that says you've had it. Khao San Road thrown a lifeline after their college degree business goes bust 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai said: You forgot the multiple copies and the pen to sign your name. ????❤???????? You may also need proof from several different vaccines incase they demand a different one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, sirineou said: I provided links from reputable sources supporting my assertion. please provide links to support yours. I don't dispute the information you provided or the sources...I agreed the vaccines are very effective in preventing COVID-19 disease. But that's not the question...if it's wise to allow vaccinated people unfettered return to Thailand when the CDC, nor anyone else, has opined on its effectiveness in stopping virus spread. Edited January 28, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, sirineou said: I provided links from reputable sources supporting my assertion. please provide links to support yours. Here you go, just one of many reports on whether or not the Immunity given will or will not keep a person from catching the virus again and then shedding/spreading it to others. Could people still be infectious after they're vaccinated for COVID-19? - CBS News the unanswered question of post-vaccination transmission means that even as large numbers of people are vaccinated, the disease may not be eradicated quickly. There have been few studies on whether a person once vaccinated will be immune to catching the virus and spreading it again. It is a toss-up, as it would take another years worth of studies to follow vaccinated individuals and see. "We don't have the clinical trials to show that people who are vaccinated are not shedding the virus," Dr. Dyan Hes, founder of Gramercy Pediatrics in New York City, told CBSN. "They might not be getting sick, but they might still be shedding if they got it." How a Covid-19 Vaccine Could End Up Helping the Virus Spread - Bloomberg Edited January 28, 2021 by ThailandRyan 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodysfriend Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just get the vaccine and that's it ...? 55 How long does the provided immunity by vaccination last ? 5 month maybe ... How effective will the vaccination be against the many mutations of the virus ? Nobody knows . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: Here you go, just one of many reports on whether or not the Immunity given will or will not keep a person from catching the virus again and then shedding/spreading it to others. Could people still be infectious after they're vaccinated for COVID-19? - CBS News the unanswered question of post-vaccination transmission means that even as large numbers of people are vaccinated, the disease may not be eradicated quickly. There have been few studies on whether a person once vaccinated will be immune to catching the virus and spreading it again. It is a toss-up, as it would take another years worth of studies to follow vaccinated individuals and see. "We don't have the clinical trials to show that people who are vaccinated are not shedding the virus," Dr. Dyan Hes, founder of Gramercy Pediatrics in New York City, told CBSN. "They might not be getting sick, but they might still be shedding if they got it." The question isn't so complicated really...the current crop of vaccines are up to 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 disease. They do nothing to prevent infection of vaccinated individuals...just prevents them from becoming sick from the virus. It's not like the vaccine puts a big stopper in people's noses and mouths that prevents inhaling the virus. Therefore, medical authorities say though they themselves won't get sick, vaccinated people can still spread the virus (and so should continue wearing masks until group immunity is achieved through vaccination). Edited January 28, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Well lets see what is and what isn't ratified by the PM/Thai Gov. My feeling is, and I don't know why, the PM will probably act on the side of caution. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cake Monster Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: There are several things wrong with this plan. First, I've seen no estimates of a billion people vaccinated by June. Second, and maybe most important, vaccinated people can still be infected with the virus and spread it to others (they themselves just don't get sick with COVID-19 disease). This is particularly important to what will likely be a mostly unvaccinated Thai host population. And third, there is no proof for how long vaccinations are effective. These are just a few reasons off the top of my head and there are probably more. No Government in the World is going to allow its Nationals to travel to any Country which does not have a comprehensive, sustained and proven vaccination program in place. Whether they have been Vaccinated against Covid or not. Mainly because upon return to their Homelands, they may well be carriers of the Virus back from the Vacation Country. And Thailand is way behind the curve on any Vaccination program 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Cake Monster said: No Government in the World is going to allow its Nationals to travel to any Country which does not have a comprehensive, sustained and proven vaccination program in place. Whether they have been Vaccinated against Covid or not. Mainly because upon return to their Homelands, they may well be carriers of the Virus back from the Vacation Country. And Thailand is way behind the curve on any Vaccination program Yep another good point. The Thai authorities should focus on getting Thais vaccinated if they want to open up the country...not the vacation plans of foreigners. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Yep another good point. The Thai authorities should focus on getting Thais vaccinated if they want to open up the country...not the vacation plans of foreigners. +1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shdmn Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, techietraveller84 said: Soon, there are going to be a lot of counterfeit vaccination certificates out there. Wonder how Thailand is going to determine what's legit and what isn't? https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/travelers-using-counterfeit-covid-test-results So you are going to spend a bunch of time and money trying to forge documents and risk getting thrown in jail and permanently banned from the country and put your health at risk from catching the virus or just, you know, get vaccinated. Tough choice. Edited January 28, 2021 by shdmn 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, shdmn said: So you are going to spend a bunch of time and money trying to forge documents and risk getting thrown in jail and permanently banned from the country and put your health at risk from catching the virus or just, you know, get vaccinated. Tough choice. I wonder if all the vaccine passports and certificates will be registered in some central database by those who administer the vaccine and then maybe border control officials and other designated officials will have access to the database to verify anyone's vaccine status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: Here you go, just one of many reports on whether or not the Immunity given will or will not keep a person from catching the virus again and then shedding/spreading it to others. Could people still be infectious after they're vaccinated for COVID-19? - CBS News the unanswered question of post-vaccination transmission means that even as large numbers of people are vaccinated, the disease may not be eradicated quickly. There have been few studies on whether a person once vaccinated will be immune to catching the virus and spreading it again. It is a toss-up, as it would take another years worth of studies to follow vaccinated individuals and see. "We don't have the clinical trials to show that people who are vaccinated are not shedding the virus," Dr. Dyan Hes, founder of Gramercy Pediatrics in New York City, told CBSN. "They might not be getting sick, but they might still be shedding if they got it." How a Covid-19 Vaccine Could End Up Helping the Virus Spread - Bloomberg when I read about transmissions it is always correlated to viral load If one does not have a viral load , how would one transmit that virus? The 14 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: The question isn't so complicated really...the current crop of vaccines are up to 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 disease. They do nothing to prevent infection of vaccinated individuals...just prevents them from becoming sick from the virus. It's not like the vaccine puts a big stopper in people's noses and mouths that prevents inhaling the virus. Therefore, medical authorities say though they themselves won't get sick, vaccinated people can still spread the virus (and so should continue wearing masks until group immunity is achieved through vaccination). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumballl Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said: Don't need a vaccine just a piece of paper that says you've had it. Exactly! What kind of proof is needed. I have a wonderful computer and a printer, and I can easily manufacture proof that I've been vaccinated. I may even start a business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sirineou said: when I read about transmissions it is always correlated to viral load If one does not have a viral load , how would one transmit that virus? The vaccine doesn't prevent someone from breathing in and harboring in their respiratory system for a period of time enough virus to spread it to others. It just prevents them from developing serious symptoms from the virus (Covid-19 disease). The vaccine doesn't "kill" the virus in the body...only prevents it from binding with and infecting host body cells and reproducing. It's still present and thus can be exhaled and spread to others. Edited January 28, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumballl Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, sirineou said: when I read about transmissions it is always correlated to viral load If one does not have a viral load , how would one transmit that virus? The Through fear! I was infected with COVID recently; all it takes is for a person to self-quarantine for 10 days until the symptoms subside. In my case, I developed a viral pneumonia, but I recovered from that by day 16. I then had to self-quarantine another 7 days. I am not contagious, but my wife shunned me for over a week beyond my full quarantine period. (Hmm, maybe she was upset because of something else?) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRyland Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 What about people that already got COVID? I don't care if I get COVID. What does ME getting a vaccine do to help Thailand? This policy doesn't make sense unless you think a vaccinated person can never infect another individual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: That's basically the alternative until there is wide-spread vaccination in Thailand. (Or it is shown that vaccinated people don't spread the virus.) I get what you're saying, but if it is shown conclusively that those who have been vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus then what? I suspect that its possible to still carry the virus once vaccinated but I also suspect that it will be a much smaller risk of doing that, possibly the same sort of risk that you get with asymptomatic people. The problem is waiting again for conclusive studies which will take months possibly years, the world cannot wait that long including Thailand. I agree the priority is for an effective and rapid vaccination plan in Thailand as the most effective way to steer a course out of the mess here but as we see Thailand has not even joined the race yet and it seems that when they get to the starting blocks they are under the impression that its a marathon and will be left behind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRyland Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gumballl said: In my case, I developed a viral pneumonia, but I recovered from that by day 16. That's a nasty one. This is how the elderly die from the common flu. How are old are you if you don't mind me asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumballl Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said: That's a nasty one. This is how the elderly die from the common flu. How are old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, wordchild said: one big issue here is , what about kids? they cant get vaccinated. ie Will families with kids still have to quarantine? Including those of us who live in Thailand and may wish to travel abroad and then return to Thailand? Or will it be sufficient just for the adult members of the family to have been vaccinated? No families will come unless this is resolved. Single adult males only. Just like the old days! Very good point and one that will take some thinking about. Apparently some studies are now being carried out but will not have results on vaccinating children until 2022. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRyland Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, Gumballl said: I'm 53. On the young side for sur. It's not clear why some people have minor or no symptoms and others get pneumonia. I get sick as a dog once a year and my girlfriend hasn't got even a minor flu in years. Any ideas why in your case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRyland Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Very good point and one that will take some thinking about. Apparently some studies are now being carried out but will not have results on vaccinating children until 2022. Why do we want to vaccinate kids? They're basically immune and in fact I think COVID is less dangerous for under 18's than flu is. Edited January 28, 2021 by NorthernRyland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, webfact said: Thai travel operators have started talks with agencies in potential markets, such as China, to restart destination marketing and prepare for future trips. Talk about tunnel vision... Jeez 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumballl Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said: On the young side for sur. It's not clear why some people have minor or no symptoms and others get pneumonia. I get sick as a dog once a year and my girlfriend hasn't got even a minor flu in years. Any ideas why in your case? Typically it is underlying health conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Don Chance said: Look to India for a vaccine as soon as they open up. Goa or Kerala would be the perfect place, already has low count of covid cases. Just need to vaccinate the state population and get ready for tourists. India will be manufacturing 100,000,000 vaccines per month i believe. They are biggest manufacture in the world. India produce around 60% of the worlds vaccines, don't know why Thailand didn't look to them a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRyland Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, Gumballl said: Typically it is underlying health conditions. Surely. Did you have a previous lung condition? I'm much healthier than my GF (cyclist for years) but I always get sicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 If this goes ahead, the number of tourists arriving will be directly proportional to the numbers of people vaccinated. Some people wanting to travel may jump the queue and pay for a vaccine but not all. So basically if 30% of people in the target market have been vaccinated then I'd expect no more than 30% of the previous year's arrival numbers, probably less when you take into account the issue of children, plus the prioritised elderly, many of whom don't travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 It's welcome news vaccinated people will not have to quarantine. Having said that, there is still the issue of whether air travel will be available or affordable for some years to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzz Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) these are travel magazine articles ( an of course want see Thailand open) and have no basis on realty. More wishful thinking FYI: China accounted for around 30% of tourists in 2019 ( around 10 million) the Chinese vaccine effectiveness has been called into question. Does Thailand want to receive Chinese with the Chinese vaccine? Edited January 28, 2021 by zzzzz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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