Thaiwrath Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Firstly, I don't need any advice of the pros and cons of a Pink I.D. card for a foreigner, but interested if any other member has been told the same. On Tuesday I went to get my annual renewal of my extension of stay at Khon Kaen immigration, and had the same documents I have provided every year since I became eligible in 2010, Passport, TM7, Bank Letter showing adequate funds, copy of bankbook, Condo rental contract and all necessary photocopies of passport information. As I am single, do not own property, and have my passport and Government hospital registration card as bone fide Identification documents, I have never bothered to apply for the Pink I.D. card, and never in my 15 years here been asked to produce one. However, the officer at the first desk kept on asking me for my Pink colored I.D. card, and as I repeatedly explained that I did not have one, and have extended every time with all the necessary documents requested, he then told me that next year I will not be granted the extension without such a card ! I don't really want to bother my landlord to go through the process of applying for the card, and with having 2 totally legitimate I.D. documents, one which I carry everywhere, I fail to see why he insists on me getting a card, apart from his typical "I am in charge and you will do as I say" attitude. I know I will get the "get a pink I.D. card" comments from the usual suspects here, which I will ignore, but I am asking for confirmation that this is not needed according to the written law here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 ' Wait and see' is probably the best advice here. I very much doubt if there's a shred of truth in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Getting yellow house book and then a pink ID card is not mandatory. It is certainly not required for any extension application. It seems to be a case of an officer giving out false info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 It is a 2 stage process, firstly you have to get a yellow book which would involve the landlord, once you have the yellow book getting the card is very straightforward. Not every Amphur will issue yellow books or can be problematic. Immigration cannot insist on the ID card until the ability to get a yellow book becomes more rationalised and the appropriate legal text is amended for both cases. Personally, immigration have only ever been interested in my yellow book, never mentioned ID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, sandyf said: It is a 2 stage process, firstly you have to get a yellow book which would involve the landlord, once you have the yellow book getting the card is very straightforward. Not every Amphur will issue yellow books or can be problematic. Immigration cannot insist on the ID card until the ability to get a yellow book becomes more rationalised and the appropriate legal text is amended for both cases. Personally, immigration have only ever been interested in my yellow book, never mentioned ID card. I have both yellow house book and pink ID. Immigration have never requested either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Monday Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Moonlover said: I have both yellow house book and pink ID. Immigration have never requested either. Are you in Khon Kaen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The house book and pink ID card have nothing to do with immigration, either you understood something wrong or the IO just told you something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Seems someone wanted to flex his muscles and impose his authority with no basis in fact or requirement. Gotta love how these individual offices/officers behave sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 A Thai DL seems to do everything that I pink card can do , so I don't see the point in it. TM30 receipt in your passport is as good as yellow book. No point in either in my view. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiwrath Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, jackdd said: The house book and pink ID card have nothing to do with immigration, either you understood something wrong or the IO just told you something wrong. I agree with you 100% on the first point, but the applicant before me was a German with his Thai wife, and the officer actually produced the paperwork they submitted, and showed me a copy of his Thai I.D. with his application and categorically stated "Next year, if you not have same, you not get extension" ! CharlieH's comment is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The IO may have gotten confused with the fact that almost all migrant laborers have the pink ID card as a prerequisite to their employment registration process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChakaKhan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 KK was the easiest extension Ive ever done...Im a single dude as well and never was i asked for this......maybe she was new on the job, or tried to see if you had a brown envelope! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineOh Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: It seems to be a case of an officer giving out false info. Not like them to do that, is it? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverlomsak Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Was stopped in the street by 3 armed Immigration Officers, who were just coming out of a hotel presumably from an inspection of guests particulars, and I guess they thought I was going in to the hotel and not just walking by. Was requested to produce my passport, as it was at home I produced a copy of it (face page & latest stamp with TM6 no included), my pink card and my Thai driving license. The latter two were handed back with the comment that they mean nothing to us. The copy of the passport was examined and I was informed that I should carry my passport at all times, as copies cannot be accepted as proof of who I am. With that comment, and after answering a few questions about where I live, where I was going, etc., the copy was handed back and I was allowed to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, jackdd said: The house book and pink ID card have nothing to do with immigration, either you understood something wrong or the IO just told you something wrong. That would not be a first, years ago I was told by an irate IO that they did not really do extensions there and to go to Suan Phlu immigration office office in Bkk, where I did not even live at the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverlomsak Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 58 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Getting yellow house book and then a pink ID card is not mandatory. It is certainly not required for any extension application. Maybe not necessary for any extension, but I have always used the Yellow Book as proof of address (and have recently added the Pink Card to the collection) in lieu of chasing the local Phuyai Bann every year for a new letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 There is ONE thing they are consistent at........................inconsistency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltire Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I have inquired twice over the years about a yellow book and the local amphur insists 'not for farang'. They issue thousands of yellow books and pink ids for the many migrant workers in the area. I guess no yellow book means no pink id card ever, hope they never ask me for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleP Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Moonlover said: I have both yellow house book and pink ID. Immigration have never requested either. same for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Saltire said: ce over the years about a yellow book and the local amphur insists 'not for farang'. They issue thousands of yellow books and pink ids for the many migrant workers in the area. I guess no yellow book means no pink id card ever, hope they never ask me for one. My Wife went to the Amphur to change her ID (we’d moved house). While at the Amphur office my wife enquired of the Yellow Book and Pink ID card. The Amphur officer first said there is no such thing, then when my Wife pressed, was told its not for ‘farangs’ its only for Immigrant labourers. My Wife called me, I asked her to press further. During the discussion my Wife showed the Amphur officer a copy of my Visa and was told that my Visa is not a real visa that type of visa doesn’t exist !!!!! (comical) - my Wife pressed the issue further, the Amphur officer had to ask her supervisor. My Wife eventually achieved the goal of getting an appointment and a list of documents needed for the Yellow house book. After getting my Yellow-book I now now why - it took the poor girl at the Amphur office a couple of hours of paper work - it was a lot of leg work for her to process the application and give me my Yellow Book ! To summarise - A lot of people in a lot of positions have no idea of the regulations when its something they don’t deal with on a daily basis. As such when an enquiry is made ‘cannot’ is the answer usually offered as a means to the path of least resistance towards doing as little work as possible. Politely press the issue some more and you usually get what you want - it just takes patience. --------- On the topic of the Immigration officer saying the Op needs an ID card. The Immigration officer is wrong. He’s probably heard one of his colleagues mention that another foreigner showed such an ID card and has completely got things mixed up. When being told such thinks it's always good to press the issue, even ask for a supervisor. There is no need to walk away with information which is completely misleading. Particularly on ThaiVisa.com I sometimes read completely misleading information whereby a foreigner (poster) has been passed on incorrect information by a junior in an official position. Because its someone in an official position the foreigner has taken the information as gospel, 100% factually correct when infant they are departing with incorrect and misleading information - the usual argument on ThaiVisa.com ensues !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: My Wife went to the Amphur to change her ID (we’d moved house). While at the Amphur office my wife enquired of the Yellow Book and Pink ID card. The Amphur officer first said there is no such thing, then when my Wife pressed, was told its not for ‘farangs’ its only for Immigrant labourers. My Wife called me, I asked her to press further. During the discussion my Wife showed the Amphur officer a copy of my Visa and was told that my Visa is not a real visa that type of visa doesn’t exist !!!!! (comical) - my Wife pressed the issue further, the Amphur officer had to ask her supervisor. My Wife eventually achieved the goal of getting an appointment and a list of documents needed for the Yellow house book. To summarise - A lot of people in a lot of positions have no idea of the regulations when its something they don’t deal with on a daily basis. As such when an enquiry is made ‘cannot’ is the answer usually offered as a means to the path of least resistance towards doing as little work as possible. Politely press the issue some more and you usually get what you want - it just takes patience. My wife was also keen for me to have these documents. She eventually enlisted the aid of our Phu Yai Ban who shook a few trees and got things moving for us. It obviously proves difficult for even married guys to get them. For a single person it must be nigh impossible. Which is why I thought, right from the start, that this 'false news'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 49 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said: Was stopped in the street by 3 armed Immigration Officers, who were just coming out of a hotel presumably from an inspection of guests particulars, and I guess they thought I was going in to the hotel and not just walking by. Was requested to produce my passport, as it was at home I produced a copy of it (face page & latest stamp with TM6 no included), my pink card and my Thai driving license. The latter two were handed back with the comment that they mean nothing to us. The copy of the passport was examined and I was informed that I should carry my passport at all times, as copies cannot be accepted as proof of who I am. With that comment, and after answering a few questions about where I live, where I was going, etc., the copy was handed back and I was allowed to go. when did this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangyai Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 15 hours ago, foreverlomsak said: Was stopped in the street by 3 armed Immigration Officers, who were just coming out of a hotel presumably from an inspection of guests particulars, and I guess they thought I was going in to the hotel and not just walking by. Was requested to produce my passport, as it was at home I produced a copy of it (face page & latest stamp with TM6 no included), my pink card and my Thai driving license. The latter two were handed back with the comment that they mean nothing to us. The copy of the passport was examined and I was informed that I should carry my passport at all times, as copies cannot be accepted as proof of who I am. With that comment, and after answering a few questions about where I live, where I was going, etc., the copy was handed back and I was allowed to go. Where was this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverlomsak Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, NCC1701A said: when did this happen? about 18 months ago in Phetchabun, before the question is asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverlomsak Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bangyai said: Where was this ? Phetchabun about 18 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangyai Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, foreverlomsak said: Phetchabun about 18 months ago Also live in Petchabun but so far so good, no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Moonlover said: I have both yellow house book and pink ID. Immigration have never requested either. me too. never been asked although the pink card was handy when i was hospitalized in a new govt hospital that i had never used before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, ivor bigun said: me too. never been asked although the pink card was handy when i was hospitalized in a new govt hospital that i had never used before. also forgot to say ,it was no problem getting one here in Pattaya ,yellow book or pink card that is , the wife sugested i get one and she did all the talking ,i just sat there and smiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Thaiwrath said: I know I will get the "get a pink colored I.D. card" comments from the usual suspects here, which I will ignore, but I am asking for confirmation that this is not needed according to the written law here. Despite my experience several years ago of Jomtien Immigration refusing the acknowledge the yellow book or pink ID card as proof of residential address in Thailand, I understand that the laws as they are published do allow the individual immigration officer to request "any other documentation" that they deem necessary. This is typically with regard to financial providence, photos and the like but unfortunately it does seem that at least one Khon Kaen IO has a wild hair up his ass on this ID thing. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 So we can expect a thread next year where you didn't get the ID card and the IO rejected your extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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