9653 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, lkv said: 2 million Sinovac doses vaccinate 1 million people, so 1/70 = 1.43% of the population. Does each person need one , or two jabs, to be effectively vaccinated? 1.43 %, does that include 2 doses? Edited February 22, 2021 by 9653 Correction of post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lujanit Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Has Sinovac been approved by the relevant regulatory authority in any country? I recently heard Dr. Norman Swan (Australian physician) on the daily podcast Coronacast) give a very short abrupt 'no' to a question about Sinovac would be used in Australia. He didn't elaborate. Australia intends to vaccinate everyone currently in the country (including tourists, asylum seekers etc) for free. An enlightened viewpoint which other countries should follow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hioctane Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, 9653 said: Does each person need one , or two jabs, to be effectively vaccinated? It is a 2 dose vaccine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The vaccine will probably end up in a place called Thai Land not in Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericdiam Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Zero trust this vaccine. Just over 50% in Brasil. Turkey over 90. And Indonesia in the 70. It the worst result (50%) from any vaccine now available in the world. And thats what this stupid government talks about for weeks. Pure corruption is going on here in the total vaccine program. That why it takes so so long to start mass vaccination! Also why Siam bioscience not allow any visitor. Now they say end June. Before it was begin May. And in few weeks it might be September I'm just waiting private hospitals to order get approval and import. Don't care to pay. Just want one of the top vaccines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftpjtm Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, apetryxx said: Let’s see if I’ve got this straight. Thailand’s government buys the cheapest vaccine on the market, one that has the lowest efficacy score and is manufactured by the same deleted who have unloaded this pandemic on the world and lied about it. What’s not to trust about this? Meanwhile, Chinese healthcare workers aren't any more excited about being injected with the local brew than anyone else. https://newsakmi.com/news/usnews/poll-less-than-half-of-chinas-health-workers-want-chinese-coronavirus-vaccine/ Edited February 22, 2021 by onthedarkside weblink added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 hours ago, lkv said: 2 million Sinovac doses vaccinate 1 million people, so 1/70 = 1.43% of the population. In other words by December 2021 less than 50% of the Thai population will have received shots of whatever. That assumes that the serum (whatever serum) is available in Thailand. A long long way to go. And a long long way to go to get to a scenario which encourages large numbers of tourists to flood into the LOS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 hours ago, meechai said: the one made by Pfizer — needs to be kept extremely cold: minus 70 degrees Celsius, which is colder than winter in Antarctica! Maybe not. New data shows that it stays viable at higher temperatures and they've already applied for the cold storage requirements to be altered. Pfizer seeks to store vaccine at higher temperatures Quote The companies [Pfizer & BioNTech] have submitted new temperature data to the FDA to support an update to the current label that would allow vials to be stored at -25 to -15 degrees Celsius (-13°F to 5°F) for a total of two weeks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, scorecard said: In other words by December 2021 less than 50% of the Thai population will have received shots of whatever. That assumes that the serum (whatever serum) is available in Thailand. A long long way to go. And a long long way to go to get to a scenario which encourages large numbers of tourists to flood into the LOS. POST AMENED on second line to say '... have received 2 shots of whatever'. Further, in Australia it's in the media that Astra Zenica is suggesting there's evidence that a 12 week gap between its' shots takes the efficacy up to 93 to 95%. Original post: In other words by December 2021 less than 50% of the Thai population will have received 2 shots of whatever. That assumes that the serum (whatever serum) is available in Thailand. A long long way to go. And a long long way to go to get to a scenario which encourages large numbers of tourists to flood into the LOS. Edited February 22, 2021 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DLock Posted February 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Moonlover said: It actually took 10 months for the University of Oxford to develop the AZ vaccine, not 6. And just how quickly could YOU build, or adapt a production plant to produce millions of doses per month? https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55041371 "how quickly could YOU build, or adapt a production plant to produce millions of doses per month?" Really, you asked that and expect to be taken seriously? The point is that Siam Bioscience are taking 8 months from signing an agreement to producing vaccines...supposedly. Given the absolute urgency, you think they were the best choice? Edited February 22, 2021 by onthedarkside trolling comments removed 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 hours ago, itsari said: The sinovac vaccine reduces the severity of covid 19 . That makes the 50 percent effective rate look far more sense . Added with the cost per vaccine , the ease of transport and availability all must make sinovak to be a wise choice of vaccine for developing countries like Thailand. Why do you people keep saying Sinovac is inexpensive. It's either THE most expensive or in the top two. For which, you get the least efficacy. Quote Sinovac Biotech On January 13, 2021, China-based Sinovac Biotech reported that its COVID-19 vaccine had a 50.38% efficacy in late-stage clinical trials in Brazil. The company’s clinical trials are demonstrating dramatically varying efficacy rates. In Indonesia, a local trial demonstrated an efficacy rate of 65%, but the trial had only 1,620 participants. Turkey reported an efficacy rate of 91.25% in December 2020. Another trial in Brazil run by a local partner, Butantan Institute, reported last week a 78% efficacy rate in mild cases while 100% against severe and moderate infections. It is an inactivated vaccine that uses inactivated SARS-CoV-2 viruses. Type: Inactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus Doses: 2 Likely EUA Date: Not applicable in the U.S. Price: $60 per dose in China ($29.75 per dose) https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey611 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Which Wednesday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Any guesses as to why more urgency is not being attached to this vaccination drive? And other than the storage issues, why go with the vaccine with one of the lowest efficacy rates? Strictly cost? According to the Bangkok Post, Thailand is developing its own mRNA vaccine. That must be why they don't allow Moderna or Pfizer to be imported. Sort of like their strategy with wine, when you think about it. Except in the vaccine case, just go ahead and put up the wall completely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaveHunter Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ericdiam said: Zero trust this vaccine. Just over 50% in Brasil. Turkey over 90. And Indonesia in the 70. It the worst result (50%) from any vaccine now available in the world. And thats what this stupid government talks about for weeks. Pure corruption is going on here in the total vaccine program. That why it takes so so long to start mass vaccination! Also why Siam bioscience not allow any visitor. Now they say end June. Before it was begin May. And in few weeks it might be September I'm just waiting private hospitals to order get approval and import. Don't care to pay. Just want one of the top vaccines If you really think about the strategy behind a Covid-19 vaccine, the real goal is to allow for herd-immunity to occur in the population as a whole, not really to protect the individual from contracting CoV-2. That being said, even a vaccine with an efficiency of 50.4% should theoretically be successful at allowing herd immunity to take place, according to many epidemiological computer models. How long it will last in the question. While the various epidemiological possibilities have been mapped out in theory, it is not yet clear what will happen in practice. All of the scenarios imagined by modelling suppose that COVID-19 will persist as an endemic disease and take its place alongside the other four seasonal coronaviruses. The elimination of CoV-2 will only be possible if vaccines, with high efficacy and safety and with wide coverage, can keep populations above the herd immunity threshold. What is clear though, is It is unlikely that this coronavirus can be eliminated by non-pharmaceutical interventions alone (i.e.: lockdowns, social distancing, etc) so vaccines are really the only solution to dealing with the virus. Edited February 22, 2021 by WaveHunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David T Pike Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 50/50? Not good odds... https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thailand-says-on-track-to-use-sinovac-vaccine-despite-trial-data-showing-504-efficiency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Unlike Thailand, the Philippines is not giving Sinovac to health care workers because of its low efficacy While the FDA granted Sinovac’s vaccine emergency approval, Domingo said the FDA’s regulatory and medical experts cited conditions and recommendations for its use in the country. Foremost among these was that experts did not recommend its use among health workers, as the group has high exposure to COVID-19. https://www.rappler.com/nation/philippines-grants-emergency-approval-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 hours ago, meechai said: the one made by Pfizer — needs to be kept extremely cold: minus 70 degrees Celsius, which is colder than winter in Antarctica! Moderna has said that its vaccine needs to be frozen too, but only at -20 Celsius more like a regular freezer. But these Sinovac vaccines from China ?? No problem...throw on a pallet & saran wrap leave in sun on the dock then float over to Thailand no problemo ???? All these vacines are different. THe Chinese one does not need refrigeration. Also supercold on the Pfizer vacine has been changed. Maybe not. New data shows that it stays viable at higher temperatures and they've already applied for the cold storage requirements to be altered. Pfizer seeks to store vaccine at higher temperatures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultName Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Flight time from China 4-5 hours, this is taking over 2 days. Urgency, what urgency? ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaveHunter Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Tony125 said: All these vacines are different. THe Chinese one does not need refrigeration. Also supercold on the Pfizer vacine has been changed. Maybe not. New data shows that it stays viable at higher temperatures and they've already applied for the cold storage requirements to be altered. Pfizer seeks to store vaccine at higher temperatures Well, storage temperature is a big deal in a hot country like Thailand and storage temperatures that are far lower than normal refrigerators are an even bigger issue here in the Kingdom, especially rural regions where storing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines would be really problematic due to the low temp requirements. So, I guess a vaccine like SinoVac is far more appealing on that basis alone for the Kingdom as a whole since it can easily be stored in a normal refrigerator, just the same as AstraZeneca. Edited February 22, 2021 by WaveHunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaveHunter Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Tony125 said: All these vacines are different. THe Chinese one does not need refrigeration. Also supercold on the Pfizer vacine has been changed. Maybe not. New data shows that it stays viable at higher temperatures and they've already applied for the cold storage requirements to be altered. Pfizer seeks to store vaccine at higher temperatures All the vaccines need some form of refrigeration. Moderna's vaccine needs to be stored at -20C and Pfizer's vaccine at -70C (though Pfizer seems to now be changing that requirement somewhat). AstraZeneca and SinoVac still need to be refrigerated though at 2-8 degrees Celsius (normal refrigerator temps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, John Drake said: According to the Bangkok Post, Thailand is developing its own mRNA vaccine. That must be why they don't allow Moderna or Pfizer to be imported. Sort of like their strategy with wine, when you think about it. Except in the vaccine case, just go ahead and put up the wall completely. Well, let us hope their vaccine is not as vapid as their wine. Not sure this is something they should be taking a chance with, to save some cash, when a multi trillion baht tourism industry is at stake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, John Drake said: Why do you people keep saying Sinovac is inexpensive. It's either THE most expensive or in the top two. For which, you get the least efficacy. it is priced at 5 dollars Edited February 22, 2021 by onthedarkside faulty quote corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocker33 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 hours ago, meechai said: the one made by Pfizer — needs to be kept extremely cold: minus 70 degrees Celsius, which is colder than winter in Antarctica! Moderna has said that its vaccine needs to be frozen too, but only at -20 Celsius more like a regular freezer. But these Sinovac vaccines from China ?? No problem...throw on a pallet & saran wrap leave in sun on the dock then float over to Thailand no problemo ???? It's okay water does not need to be refrigerated 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alidiver Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 More evidence Thailand is in China's pocket. Have they started building the Siam Bioscience plant yet? Anyway good luck Thailand from a vaccinated exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaveHunter Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) My sentiments are the same as yours when it comes to the futility of mass lockdowns. This strategy has been pretty much proven to be totally ineffective and at the same time devastating for a country's economy. Thailand's "Seal and Bubble" makes MUCH MORE sense and seems to work well. Other countries such as the US could learn a thing or two from the Kingdom IMO. As for vaccines ... the fact is, vaccines offer the only viable way to ultimately stop the spread of the virus because even if they only have a 50.4% effectiveness, that will lead to herd immunity. Further, just like the flu viruses, as mutations develop, vacciners can be adapted to cope with that. The whole idea behind vaccines is to lower the R-naught. If it takes new vaccines to deal with mutations, it's just a game of numbers keeping the R-naught below 1.0 on an ongoing basis. I mean, the virus is probably never going to go away. It's here to stay just like the flu virus. The goal is to keep it from spreading. Edited February 22, 2021 by onthedarkside quote of hidden post removed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shocked farang Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 hours ago, lujanit said: Has Sinovac been approved by the relevant regulatory authority in any country? I recently heard Dr. Norman Swan (Australian physician) on the daily podcast Coronacast) give a very short abrupt 'no' to a question about Sinovac would be used in Australia. He didn't elaborate. Australia intends to vaccinate everyone currently in the country (including tourists, asylum seekers etc) for free. An enlightened viewpoint which other countries should follow. They have no choice as they are not letting anyone out of the country soon. All these tourists, asylum seekers, lost souls are now locked in Australia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlylekan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: I hope Thailand plans on vaccinating more than 3.3% of its population.... 2 million Sinovac vaccines is a better number than the 150,000 AstraZeneca vaccines ordered. Importantly, better information beyond the ‘Brazil report’ on the efficacy of the Sinovac vaccine is also important, while better than nothing, 50% is not yet good enough. Hopefully the promised 26 million vaccines promised by May by the AstraZeneca-Siam Bioscience bilateral production will come through, things have gone very quiet on that front. The Sinovac vaccine is a lot more important than many of us have given credit for. Vaccines in wealthy countries are useless if the virus elsewhere is not controlled and antigenic drift results in such evolution of the virus that existing vaccines have limited efficacy. The Sinovac vaccine fills a gap, it can be distributed more readily, doesn’t need refrigeration. Thailand is apparently also developing its own vaccine. Interesting times, ultimately times where the whole world needs to come together to ensure that primarily those in high risk groups are vaccinated, as soon as they are, we can surely all get back to normal. You mean just like China asked the world to come together at the beginning of this virus then when Australia asked for an investigation into its origins, China bullied Australia in every which way and China did not make the WHO job easy or help to make it through. Yes, the world needs to come together, but governments can never be trusted; western a little more than most cause we try to be transparent, but governments fight too much for self-preservation and not citizen/human preservation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shocked farang Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, curlylekan said: You mean just like China asked the world to come together at the beginning of this virus then when Australia asked for an investigation into its origins, China bullied Australia in every which way and China did not make the WHO job easy or help to make it through. Yes, the world needs to come together, but governments can never be trusted; western a little more than most cause we try to be transparent, but governments fight too much for self-preservation and not citizen/human preservation The CCP cannot be expected to comply with an international investigation into its own country. It is very naive to expect that! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shocked farang Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 hours ago, WaveHunter said: My sentiments are the same as yours when it comes to the futility of mass lockdowns. This strategy has been pretty much proven to be totally ineffective and at the same time devastating for a country's economy. Thailand's "Seal and Bubble" makes MUCH MORE sense and seems to work well. Other countries such as the US could learn a thing or two from the Kingdom IMO. As for vaccines ... the fact is, vaccines offer the only viable way to ultimately stop the spread of the virus because even if they only have a 50.4% effectiveness, that will lead to herd immunity. Further, just like the flu viruses, as mutations develop, vacciners can be adapted to cope with that. The whole idea behind vaccines is to lower the R-naught. If it takes new vaccines to deal with mutations, it's just a game of numbers keeping the R-naught below 1.0 on an ongoing basis. I mean, the virus is probably never going to go away. It's here to stay just like the flu virus. The goal is to keep it from spreading. I totally agree but at the same time I am worried that governments and media are not showing the true nature of ALL THE VACCINES: They are experimental. It usually takes between 5 to 10 years to develop a new vaccine. These were developed in about 1 year! So, what's missing? The insight into the long term side effects. Nobody, I mean nobody knows if an self immune disease could develop in the future for people who received any of the vaccines. Fact. I will get vaccinated though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, itsari said: it is priced at 5 dollars You have deliberately edited out the citation and source I gave that clearly labels the price for Sinovac at $60 in China and $29.75 outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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