China's bid to stop Wuhan COVID-19 spread cut deaths elsewhere from other causes - study

[webfact]

China's bid to stop Wuhan COVID-19 spread cut deaths elsewhere from other causes - study

 

FILE PHOTO: A worker wears a mask during a government organised media tour at Tongji Hospital following the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak, in Wuhan, Hubei province, China September 3, 2020. REUTERS/Aly Song/File Photo

 

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - The number of deaths in China - excluding the coronavirus epicentre of Wuhan - fell slightly during the first three months of 2020, suggesting efforts to control the spread of COVID-19 reduced deaths from other causes, a new study showed.

 

Researchers from the University of Oxford and the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), analysed official death registry data from Jan. 1 to March 31 last year for changes in overall and cause-specific deaths.

 

The death rate in Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 was first identified, stood at 1,147 per 100,000 over the period, 56% higher than normally expected, they found in the study published on Wednesday.

 

However, outside Wuhan, the death rate was 675 per 100,000, lower than the expected rate of 715, after nationwide lockdowns reduced the number of deaths from other causes like ordinary pneumonia or traffic accidents, according to the study, published by the BMJ.

 

Official data from China's medical authority puts the total mainland COVID-19 death toll at 4,636, of which 83.5%, or 3,869 deaths, were in Wuhan.

 

China has rejected claims that it under-reported both the total number of cases and the death toll from COVID-19.

 

An American study of cremation services in Wuhan released last June said about 36,000 people could have died, 10 times the official figure.

 

Local studies also show the number of people carrying the virus might have been far higher than first thought. The China CDC said in December that it found COVID-19 antibodies in 4.43% of Wuhan blood samples, implying that half a million people had been infected.

 

Last month, experts deployed by the World Health Organization arrived in Wuhan to investigate the origins of the coronavirus. They said it could have been circulating in other regions before it was first identified in early 2020, but there was no evidence of other large outbreaks.

 

(Reporting by David Stanway; editing by Richard Pullin)

 

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[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The number of deaths in China - excluding the coronavirus epicentre of Wuhan - fell slightly during the first three months of 2020, suggesting efforts to control the spread of COVID-19 reduced deaths from other causes

My congratulations to the Chinese government for reducing deaths in China, by being responsible for 1.5 million other deaths worldwide by their irresponsible actions

[expat_4_life]

Nice to see Reuters running cover for the CCP and the obvious mismanagement of Covid

from the start, which led to a global pandemic,

 

The Chinese are heroes.

[ukrules]

I hear they are saving countless millions on pension payments every month which is odd considering the very low number of deaths.

[Isaan sailor]

It came from Wuhan.  They withheld critical information to the world.  Why would anyone believe them now?

[pacovl46]

I don’t believe anything that comes from any type of “officials” out of China! 

[Fex Bluse]

Chinese have infiltrated these western media orgs. A person would need to be rather ignorant to believe ANYTHING from China. "official records"? Give it a rest. The people lie with every breath. 

[Paiman]

37 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

I don’t believe anything that comes from any type of “officials” out of China! 

 

I don,t believe anything that comes from any type of "officials" out of any country.

[ExpatOilWorker]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The death rate in Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 was first identified, stood at 1,147 per 100,000 over the period, 56% higher than normally expected, they found in the study published on Wednesday

 

Right, so 45,320 people died of Covid in Wuhan.

Finally the Chinese came clean.

 

(1,147-735) x 110 = 45,320 Wuflu deaths

 

Population of Wuhan is 11 million. 

Edited February 24, 2021 by ExpatOilWorker

[foreverlomsak]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The number of deaths in China - excluding the coronavirus epicentre of Wuhan - fell slightly during the first three months of 2020, suggesting efforts to control the spread of COVID-19 reduced deaths from other causes, a new study showed.

Nah, there were allocated to Covid and not to the real reason, and as they failed to collect the number of Covid deaths correctly 2+2 = 3, it doesn't register as a higher number

[simple1]

14 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

Nice to see Reuters running cover for the CCP and the obvious mismanagement of Covid

from the start, which led to a global pandemic,

 

The Chinese are heroes.

 

reporting on a study is not 'running cover' when taking account the authors of the study i.e. University of Oxford researchers - one of the most respected Uni's' in the world.

 

Yesterday a report was also released in Australia which talked to a massive reduction in deaths from the flu due to increased hygiene practices during the Covid crisis, in fact an overall drop in deaths due to medical reasons in Oz during the crisis. An excerpt:

 

"Just two people in Australia died from influenza between late April and November last year, and the overall number of recorded deaths across the country was significantly lower in 2020 than in years".

[sammieuk1]

Think Xi has got his death rate and bank balance mixed up easy to do????

[thedemon]

If the same study was done for 2020 in Thailand, the result would be at least the same and likely even more dramatic.

 

Since we are 400 times more likely to die from a road accident (approx. 24,000 pa) than from Covid-19 (approx. 60 in 2020) then it only takes a 0.25% reduction in road deaths to offset the total deaths from Covid-19.

 

You can draw your own conclusions from that.

Edited February 24, 2021 by thedemon

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

reporting on a study is not 'running cover' when taking account the authors of the study i.e. University of Oxford researchers - one of the most respected Uni's' in the world.

 

Yesterday a report was also released in Australia which talked to a massive reduction in deaths from the flu due to increased hygiene practices during the Covid crisis, in fact an overall drop in deaths due to medical reasons in Oz during the crisis. An excerpt:

 

"Just two people in Australia died from influenza between late April and November last year, and the overall number of recorded deaths across the country was significantly lower in 2020 than in years".

 

It does have Commie propaganda written all over it, just look at the author list.

 

Jiangmei Liu,1
 Lan Zhang,2
 Yaqiong Yan,3
 Yuchang Zhou,1
 Peng Yin,1
 Jinlei Qi,1
 Lijun Wang,1
Jingju Pan,2
 Jinling You,1
 Jing Yang,1
 Zhenping Zhao,1
 Wei Wang,1
 Yunning Liu,1
 Lin Lin,1
 
Jing Wu,1
 Xinhua Li,4
 Zhengming Chen,5
 Maigeng Zhou1

bmj.n415.full (1).pdf

[candide]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

reporting on a study is not 'running cover' when taking account the authors of the study i.e. University of Oxford researchers - one of the most respected Uni's' in the world.

 

Yesterday a report was also released in Australia which talked to a massive reduction in deaths from the flu due to increased hygiene practices during the Covid crisis, in fact an overall drop in deaths due to medical reasons in Oz during the crisis. An excerpt:

 

"Just two people in Australia died from influenza between late April and November last year, and the overall number of recorded deaths across the country was significantly lower in 2020 than in years".

There are also low flu levels in the US or Europe.

 

“Though caused by a different virus from the one that causes COVID-19, the flu is also a respiratory viral disease, so everything we are doing to slow transmission of COVID-19, such as wearing face masks, frequent handwashing and physical distancing, should also reduce transmission of flu,” says Eili Klein, Ph.D., associate professor of emergency medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/covid-19-story-tip-flu-cases-dramatically-low-so-far-this-season

 

Edited February 25, 2021 by candide

[car720]

9 hours ago, Paiman said:

 

I don,t believe anything that comes from any type of "officials" out of any country.

How can you tell when an official or lawyer is lying?  His lips are moving.

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

It does have Commie propaganda written all over it, just look at the author list.<SNIP>

You omitted the Oxford Uni researchers, plus similar experience starting to be reported in some Western countries. In any case I've totally over the messaging from trump world; thankfully soon to disappear into the dustbin of history with his and enablers criminal convictions,

[placeholder]

13 hours ago, foreverlomsak said:

Nah, there were allocated to Covid and not to the real reason, and as they failed to collect the number of Covid deaths correctly 2+2 = 3, it doesn't register as a higher number

So your contention is that the Chinese exaggerated the number of deaths from Covid? Their motive being to make themselves look worse?

[placeholder]

20 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

My congratulations to the Chinese government for reducing deaths in China, by being responsible for 1.5 million other deaths worldwide by their irresponsible 

Because there is nothing any nation could have done to reduce deaths? And why are there such huge discrepancies in how different countries fared?  Because of the Chinese?

[foreverlomsak]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So your contention is that the Chinese exaggerated the number of deaths from Covid? Their motive being to make themselves look worse?

the comment was tongue in cheek we both know that everything is politically sanitized before release to show how good the system is.

[Fex Bluse]

On 2/24/2021 at 10:15 PM, Paiman said:

 

I don,t believe anything that comes from any type of "officials" out of any country.

 

I understand this sentiment, however this type of thinking is exactly what Asians exploit in Westerners. Effectively, what you're saying is that there are no meaningful differences between countries, cultures, governments in how much they lie. And, such thinking is of course entirely false. 

 

The Asians know they are trying to subvert you but you inherently trust them more then they trust you which puts you at a strategic disadvantage 

[tonbridgebrit]

On 2/24/2021 at 2:17 PM, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

Right, so 45,320 people died of Covid in Wuhan.

Finally the Chinese came clean.

 

(1,147-735) x 110 = 45,320 Wuflu deaths

 

Population of Wuhan is 11 million. 

I think when they said that the death rate was eleven hundred and forty seven per one hundred thousand well, they meant the following. For every 100,000 people who actually got Covid, right, eleven hundred and forty seven died.  Yes, about eleven million people live in Wuhan, but not all eleven million went and got covid.  Maybe about three hundred thousand out of eleven million in Wuhan actually had covid. So yes, that's about three thousand and five hundred deaths in Wuhan.

I really do think we should look at the views being put up by people, and what these views actually say about people.  The Chinese government carried out a thorough lockdown on Wuhan and other areas, and this actually massively reduced the Covid infections and deaths. It was actually in 2020 last year, I think in June and July, that covid in Wuhan had been stamped out, and the lockdown was removed. Supposedly, most of China has been 'normal' for about six months now.

Normal, as in people going out to eat, and travelling inside China for holidays. The issue of most of China having no lockdown since summer last year has been covered by foreign media. As in Amerrican media outlets reporting about big outside events and social gatherings in Wuhan and the rest of China, since six months ago.

From this, I think we should accept that most of China did actually stamp out covid six months ago.  How comes China managed to do it ?  Well, surely it's because they carried out the correct lockdown ? And why is it that lots of people on Thai Visa believe that covid killed millions in China ?  I think it's because people are simply refusing to accept the truth. The truth being, China carried out a thorough lockdown, it was thoroughly enforced.

The US government, and various European governments, they were slow and reluctant to carry out the lockdowns. And they were reluctant to enforce it. Reluctant to crackdown on people going against the lockdown.

Edited February 27, 2021 by tonbridgebrit

[GrandPapillon]

On 2/24/2021 at 4:39 AM, Isaan sailor said:

It came from Wuhan.  They withheld critical information to the world.  Why would anyone believe them now?

indeed, and remember their published numbers? a big joke !!! can't believe anything they say,

[ExpatOilWorker]

5 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

I think when they said that the death rate was eleven hundred and forty seven per one hundred thousand well, they meant the following. For every 100,000 people who actually got Covid, right, eleven hundred and forty seven died.  Yes, about eleven million people live in Wuhan, but not all eleven million went and got covid.  Maybe about three hundred thousand out of eleven million in Wuhan actually had covid. So yes, that's about three thousand and five hundred deaths in Wuhan.

 

Nope, the fatality rates are for the entire population per quarter, but the 59% increase was only in one district, not for all of Wuhan's 11 million inhabitants.

The information is all massaged nicely in the attached report, to match the official propaganda line.

bmj.n415.full (1).pdf

[tonbridgebrit]

25 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

Nope, the fatality rates are for the entire population per quarter, but the 59% increase was only in one district, not for all of Wuhan's 11 million inhabitants.

The information is all massaged nicely in the attached report, to match the official propaganda line.

bmj.n415.full (1).pdf 524.62 kB · 1 download

Actually, you're correct. Thanks for putting up the pdf.
From the pdf   "Nationwide evidence about trends in total and cause specific mortality during three months of the initial outbreak of covid-19 in China shows that in Wuhan city (especially in central districts where the outbreak was particularly serious), the death rate from all causes was about 50% higher during the first quarter of 2020, with the excess mortality due to not only pneumonia but also several other major diseases. Outside of Wuhan, no evidence was found of any significant increase in overall mortality, suggesting the success of the rapid control of the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in addition to appropriate maintenance of healthcare services during the nationwide lockdown. "

So, the total number of deaths in Wuhan (in central districts where the outbreak was particularly serious) was about 50% higher than what was expected. Obviously, what was expected was based on figures during previous years.
Now, from the pdf  "In Wuhan city, the most recent official figures released on 17 April 2020 suggested that 3869 deaths were directly attributable to covid-19.13 20 24 Based on more careful and comprehensive analyses, our study indicated that during three months of the covid-19 outbreak, about 6000 more deaths occurred in January to March 2020 compared with the same period in 2019, including 3653 deaths from covid-19 related pneumonia and 920 excess deaths from other types of pneumonia, primarily unspecified viral pneumonia. "

So, basically, the study shows that the total number of deaths in Wuhan during the first quarter of 2020 was about 6000 greater than what it was during 2019.  So, we can say, sort of, that Covid killed 6000 people in Wuhan during the first quarter of 2020.  This new figure of 6000 is not massively greater than the official figure previously brought out.

The report also says, that there was no increase in overall deaths outside of Wuhan.  Surely, no increase in overall deaths outside of Wuhan shows that the Beijing government managed to stop Covid leaving Wuhan ? Or, they managed to massively reduce it.