Opening up to foreign tourists: Thais fear vaxxed foreigners could still spread disease

[Fex Bluse]

16 hours ago, webfact said:

Opening up to foreign tourists: Thais fear vaxxed foreigners could still spread disease

 

Thais: so, don't let any in, and see how you go.. 

 

Tired of their xenophobic nonsense. Have some courage to stick to it. Just close the country to ALL foreigners until the Wuhan, China COVID-19 virus is completely eradicated. 

[Soikhaonoiken]

15 hours ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Yeah, foreigners are the super spreader breed. Wonder if they understand that the same goes for Thais?

My thoughts exactly.... and if this Government was not wrapped up in its own self importance,   the Thai population would be well on it's way to being vaccinated. 

[upu2]

17 hours ago, polpott said:

He noted that being vaccinated was one thing and meant the person would not be able to get Covid. But they could still be a carrier and infect Thai people so the country has to proceed cautiously.

A vaccine does not stop you getting the virus it just makes the effects a lot less. Presumably this indication is an error from the translation.

[lkv]

2 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

Just close the country to ALL foreigners until the Wuhan, China COVID-19 virus is completely eradicated. 

 

According to Danish epidemiologist Thea Kolsen Fischer, who was on a recent World Health Organisation fact-finding mission to Wuhan to examine the origins of the latest coronavirus pandemic, the virus might have actually originated from Chatuchak market or similar, Bangkok.

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/did-the-covid-19-virus-actually-originate-in-thailand-video

Edited February 25, 2021 by lkv

[daveAustin]

17 hours ago, Kiujunn said:

It doesn't. 

Thais wear a mask.

Foreigners don't. 

lol. And that's your hypothesis is it? You're obviously a xenophobe or troll, but whatever I'll humour you anyway. Let's conveniently forget globalism and testing for now and have the whole world as one country. No masks. What happens? More westerners die regardless as they are more susceptible. Genetics. We are not all the same.

 

As for Thais being 'vaxxed' about foreigners (INCLUDING CHINESE) coming in during this, I don't blame them. They could just do a NZ and wait for the big boys to save the day with a vaccine. In reality, you either muck in and dance with the devil, shut up shop and regress, or come up with a workable solution that involves real brain power and nous.

[gunderhill]

13 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

use fake vaccination documents and any other way to avoid having to follow rules

Thank God the Thais adhere to all their rules, especially when driving, sorry what's the roadkill death rate  currently, every day, every year.

[pokerface1]

On 2/25/2021 at 1:38 PM, poskat said:

vaccine plus negative covid test = noninfectious

 

the problem lies in the fact that the government/media has already convinced the thai people that getting covid is akin to a death sentence

Well sometime you have to frighten the <deleted> out of people to get them to follow the rules. Hence the spread of Covid in Thailand has been of smaller numbers compared to USA UK and many other countries.  

[Millman]

Isn’t it about time that Thais understand that Covid affects all races and the biggest outbreaks have come by their failure to stop illegal entrants? It is not the tourists who have passed the tests who they should be concerned about, it’s the border officials who are not policing that is a much bigger problem.

 

[Kiujunn]

9 minutes ago, Millman said:

Isn’t it about time that Thais understand that Covid affects all races and the biggest outbreaks have come by their failure to stop illegal entrants? It is not the tourists who have passed the tests who they should be concerned about, it’s the border officials who are not policing that is a much bigger problem.

 

Might there be money involved?

[Kiujunn]

8 hours ago, lkv said:

 

According to Danish epidemiologist Thea Kolsen Fischer, who was on a recent World Health Organisation fact-finding mission to Wuhan to examine the origins of the latest coronavirus pandemic, the virus might have actually originated from Chatuchak market or similar, Bangkok.

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/did-the-covid-19-virus-actually-originate-in-thailand-video

Sure.

Everywhere,  but not in China.

Just a reminder: the boss of the WHO was China's candidate.

When in December 2019, Taiwan warned the WHO about the Wuhan outbreak,  the WHO ignored the letter.

And then consistently,  from January on, the WHO praised China's handling of the outbreak. 

When China was hoarding masks (and Taiwanese bought mask-producing machinery all over the world),  the WHO refused to acknowledge any danger. 

 

Now China's economy is doing very well.

[MikeyIdea]

Vaccinated people CAN spread the disease, just less likely and for a shorter time

[MikeyIdea]

9 minutes ago, Kiujunn said:

Sure.

Everywhere,  but not in China.

Just a reminder: the boss of the WHO was China's candidate.

When in December 2019, Taiwan warned the WHO about the Wuhan outbreak,  the WHO ignored the letter.

And then consistently,  from January on, the WHO praised China's handling of the outbreak. 

When China was hoarding masks (and Taiwanese bought mask-producing machinery all over the world),  the WHO refused to acknowledge any danger. 

 

Now China's economy is doing very well.

 

and Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is an old communist. Quite telling.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 2/25/2021 at 11:17 AM, polpott said:

We have now reached a point that declaring that people who have been vaccinated can still spread Covid is indeed fake news.

 

Like to see some actual, credible evidence supporting the claim you make.

 

From everything I've read on the subject thus far, the latest seems to be that people who have been vaccinated and catch the virus are believed to have lower levels of the virus in their body (nose, throat, etc), making them less likely to infect others vs a non-vaccinated person. But that's not the same as being unable to spread the virus.

 

The vaccines do NOT prevent the vaccinated person from contracting the virus. They do, at their best, prevent the vaccinated person from getting ill, and at a very high rate, prevent the vaccinated person from either getting seriously ill or dying from COVID.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Can a Vaccinated Person Still Spread the Coronavirus?

 

"Nine vaccines have proved effective at protecting people from developing symptoms of Covid-19, the disease that can result from infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It’s not yet known definitively how well the inoculations prevent people from getting an asymptomatic infection or passing the virus on to others. Preliminary signs suggest they do at least some of both.

...

While getting vaccinated gives people considerable insurance against falling ill with Covid, which is sometimes fatal, it’s so far no assurance that they won’t get silently infected with SARS-CoV-2 and pass it on, potentially sickening people who aren’t immune. Those who are infected but never develop symptoms are responsible for 24% of transmission, one study estimated.

...

4. Why don’t we know how well Covid vaccines prevent infection and transmission?

The trials testing the vaccines weren’t set up to answer those questions first. Rather, they were designed to initially determine the more urgent matter of whether vaccines would prevent people from getting sick and overwhelming medical systems.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/can-a-vaccinated-person-still-spread-the-coronavirus/2021/02/22/00d4f6a8-7551-11eb-9489-8f7dacd51e75_story.html

Edited February 26, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Again, potentially reduces the prospect of spreading...but no clear evidence yet it is totally eliminated.

 

"...evidence is coalescing around the idea that people who get these vaccines don't spread the virus after all. "There have been some studies that are pointing into a very favorable direction," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a briefing last week.

 

A preliminary study from Israel, for example, found that starting 12 days after vaccination, the people who got COVID-19 despite getting Pfizer's shots had four times less virus in their bodies. Reduced viral loads are linked to lower transmission rates. 

 

"We are confident vaccination against COVID-19 reduces the chances of transmitting the virus," M. Kate Grabowski and Justin Lessler, two epidemiologists from Johns Hopkins, wrote in the Daily Beast last week."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/vaccines-reduce-coronavirus-transmission-early-research-2021-2

[polpott]

52 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Like to see some actual, credible evidence supporting the claim you make.

 

From everything I've read on the subject thus far, the latest seems to be that people who have been vaccinated and catch the virus are believed to have lower levels of the virus in their body (nose, throat, etc), making them less likely to infect others vs a non-vaccinated person. But that's not the same as being unable to spread the virus.

 

The vaccines do NOT prevent the vaccinated person from contracting the virus. They do, at their best, prevent the vaccinated person from getting ill, and at a very high rate, prevent the vaccinated person from either getting seriously ill or dying from COVID.

 

I've provided 2 links in this thread already as confirmation.

[Trujillo]

"...the second wave."

 

Given the nearly statistically insignificant number of deaths (and hospitalizations) per population here, this would not even qualify as a ripple. 

[mtls2005]

On 2/25/2021 at 9:38 AM, poskat said:

vaccine plus negative covid test = noninfectious

 

 

Sorry, what does a vaccine have to do with being "infectious"?

 

And wouldn't a negative covid test mean that the subject currently does not have the virus?

 

And why has civilization utilized quarantine since the 15th century as a way to deal with communicable diseases? Surely it mus be effective?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[actonion]

On 2/25/2021 at 11:09 AM, Kiujunn said:

It doesn't. 

Thais wear a mask.

Foreigners don't. 

You obviously have'nt been in a Thai street market recently & seen more then 50% NOT wearing any masks, or notiiced trucks full of  building  workers crammed in the back  None wearing any masks

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, actonion said:

You obviously have'nt been in a Thai street market recently & seen more then 50% NOT wearing any masks, or notiiced trucks full of  building  workers crammed in the back  None wearing any masks

In the malls in Pattaya the only people I see not wearing masks are the occasional fat old shavey headed farang wearing a wifebeater vest.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 2/25/2021 at 11:38 AM, polpott said:

https://www.kezi.com/content/news/Covid-19-vaccines-may-prevent-infection-and-not-just-symptoms-study-suggests-573837811.html

 

The study you're quoting, which the article says has yet to be peer reviewed, merely says (and it's good news, nonetheless) that people who were given the full dozens of two different COVID vaccines largely did not contract the virus, apart from not getting sick.

 

However, it still left the more than 10% share who apparently did still contract the virus after having received the full vaccine doses...  And at the same time, for those folks, apparently, there's no mention in the article of the transmissibility/viral levels they had compared to others.

 

"a new study suggests that the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines may also prevent infections.

 

A team at the Mayo Clinic health system looked at more than 31,000 people across four states who had received at least one dose of either vaccine -- and found the vaccines were upwards of 80% effective in preventing infection 36 days after the first dose.

 

Vaccine efficacy was 75% 15 days after the first dose, and it appeared to be 83% after a total of 36 days passed. But that number rose to nearly 89% when researchers examined only people who received two doses, according to the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed."

 

[polpott]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The study you're quoting, which the article says has yet to be peer reviewed

Correct, which is why Fauci and others are still insisting that it may not provide immunity. probably not wanting to contradict himself, God knows he's already done enough of that. However its almost certain to be validated once it is peer reviewed.

[kimamey]

On 2/25/2021 at 4:09 AM, Kiujunn said:

It doesn't. 

Thais wear a mask.

Foreigners don't. 

Some do but in our local market I'm the one who always has his mask on over his mouth and nose. Some Thais have it over the nose and then there's the majority that have them under the nose, under the mouth on the chin, under the chin and of course hanging from one ear.

 

[actonion]

21 hours ago, polpott said:

In the malls in Pattaya the only people I see not wearing masks are the occasional fat old shavey headed farang wearing a wifebeater vest.

Well, go educate yourself, take yourself to a Thai street market to find many unmasked Thai's....

[kevc]

I bet none of those against it are out of work or queuing for hand outs.

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, kevc said:

I bet none of those against it are out of work or queuing for hand outs.

But many more will be out of work or queuing for hand-outs if it happens and causes a major outbreak.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 hours ago, polpott said:

Correct, which is why Fauci and others are still insisting that it may not provide immunity. probably not wanting to contradict himself, God knows he's already done enough of that. However its almost certain to be validated once it is peer reviewed.

 

My main point was, even the study you were citing didn't claim total 100% ability to prevent infection of a vaccinated person. The best they got to, in their study, was 89%, meaning the other share was able to be infected.

 

[polpott]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

My main point was, even the study you were citing didn't claim total 100% ability to prevent infection of a vaccinated person. The best they got to, in their study, was 89%, meaning the other share was able to be infected.

 

No vaccine has a 100% ability to prevent infection.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, polpott said:

No vaccine has a 100% ability to prevent infection.

 

And for the most part, most of the vaccines thus far haven't even been conclusively tested for their ability to prevent INFECTIONS.

 

What they've been tested on is their ability, which has been very good, to prevent ILLNESS and DEATH.

 

[Bkk Brian]

35 minutes ago, polpott said:

No vaccine has a 100% ability to prevent infection.

100% protection/ability from transmission/passing on infection is known as "sterilizing” protection, there are a handfull of vaccines that provide this, the smallpox vaccine being one.