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In Thailand, death of a ‘pretty’ underscores dangers of life as a hostess


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As this never happens anywhere else. 

As if this has never happened in the past, and will continue after were all long gone and dead.

 

This is the best SCMP can report about? 

 

30 years ago, a true objective and aggressive newspaper.

 

Now, just another rag like everywhere else. 

 

Pity. 

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5 hours ago, Artisi said:

Have you ever considered that not all Thai women are prostitutes, but guess it may well reflect the company you keep..... 

I  have considered    all  Thai  women are  not prostitutes   because that's  not what I  said I  implied all pretties are prostitutes, is that clearer for you.

Being somewhat of a loner and although married for 16 years to a  Thai I can't  imagine what company that might be, I've  never set foot  in a bar and  don't  drink or  attended any parties, I live in a remote place with no neighbours, and that's  just how I  like it, seems your guess is just that. I'd  say most Pretties are just prostitutes and  call a  spade a spade.

Being now in my 80's my Wife whose   34 and I  are extremely  happy.

The second to  last line is of course your fantasy

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11 hours ago, Kerryd said:

They are called "pretties" because most of them are just that. Pretty.

Your partly  right, mainly  hookers , some pretty but most aren't with all the make  up removed and with their recarved noses and  pasty white  skin, the rest are narcissists.

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2 hours ago, connda said:

100% sure.  No.  Are you 100% sure she didn't take willingly?  No.

So, this is an open forum.  If my assumptions offend you?  That's about you, not me.  Toughen up soldier. Life's not fair and a lot of the time it's a guessing game.  My assumptions have nothing to do with you personally.  They are just my opinions.  And we're all entitled to our opinions.  Carry on...

The world where everyone's offended, getting pretty sick of that BS,  it's  like when you are  having an argument and the other person starts  saying "don't  raise  your voice" when you   haven't.

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What's the point of that picture from Soi Cowboy?

In that soi are lot of prostitutes. And as far as I know nobody makes a secret out of it.

 

But pretties? Pretties are different. They apparently get paid lots of money just for being pretty. I am sure if anybody would call those pretties prostitutes then they would protest. We? No!

But looking at these articles it seems pretties have to do a lot more than just being pretty - at least at some of those events.

 

So maybe we should call the the job by the real name. It seems someone hired prostitutes and they knew that it was part of the requirement to drink and take drugs and whatever else. Is it sad that she died? Sure. Was she to a big part herself responsible for that? It seems yes. 

And I am sure if the headlines would be "prostitute died" a lot less people would care compared to the "pretty" headline. How could that happen to such a pretty innocent girl? ...

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2 minutes ago, faraday said:

Misogynistic.

 

I don't know about misogynistic, but I don't believe it to be true.  I don't see any way that having sex with multiple men, strangers, probably repulsive, no emotional connection, and have zero respect for the woman, can be anything but harmful.

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14 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Why they are called pretties ? The proper description should be hookers.

 

Albert I realize some on this board like to denigrate sex workers every chance they get.     I find that unfortunate.

 

I'd suggest to you an actual proper description of these ladies would be "escort" and not hooker.

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1 hour ago, gunderhill said:

I  have considered    all  Thai  women are  not prostitutes   because that's  not what I  said I  implied all pretties are prostitutes, is that clearer for you.

Being somewhat of a loner and although married for 16 years to a  Thai I can't  imagine what company that might be, I've  never set foot  in a bar and  don't  drink or  attended any parties, I live in a remote place with no neighbours, and that's  just how I  like it, seems your guess is just that. I'd  say most Pretties are just prostitutes and  call a  spade a spade.

Being now in my 80's my Wife whose   34 and I  are extremely  happy.

The second to  last line is of course your fantasy

Why would you imply that All pretties are prostitutes, you would have us believe you have no experience in that area, so it must just be a figment of your imagination - a  badly flawed analysis of these girls /women, but never mind if your happy that's ok. 

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19 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Why would you imply that All pretties are prostitutes, you would have us believe you have no experience in that area, so it must just be a figment of your imagination - a  badly flawed analysis of these girls /women, but never mind if your happy that's ok. 

I think it's a little harsh to paint all these girls as hookers.

 

Probably some do have sex with the clients, but I would suspect most just get paid to provide eye candy, nothing more.

 

How coercive the party becomes and pressure to take drugs and drink, who knows, but I suspect poor girl, HiSo male clients, I think the power dynamic is defiantly in the hands of the men

 

 

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Only a few days into the lifting of the alcohol ban and now this (yes, I know her death's not directly alcohol related, but I'm sure somebody, somewhere will use it to justify imposing more bans on gatherings, drinking, partying). 

Life is cheap here and the havenots have little more than their good looks to offer. 

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2 hours ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

Albert I realize some on this board like to denigrate sex workers every chance they get.     I find that unfortunate.

 

I'd suggest to you an actual proper description of these ladies would be "escort" and not hooker.

In Thai language same same but different. BTW I am not denigrating sex workers but I am a realist.

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1 minute ago, connda said:

Most of the gals that are called "pretties" are just Thai models and many work for marketing firms.
So you consider them all to be hookers?  You have an extremely low opinion of Thai women in general if you consider female Thai models to all be hookers.  Bordering on Misogyny? Maybe you should reassess your off-colored opinion.

So European "pretties" are just models but Thai "pretties" are hookers?
Did you come to Thailand because you find it easy to denigrate Thai women and by extension Asian women in general, or do you harbor the same feeling for models of European decent (pretties) too? 
It make me wonder. 
Model or Hooker?  European, so a "model" right.  I won't post a picture of a Thai model as we already know what you think.
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I don't buy your story about models and so on and i didn't say there is any difference between Asian and European "pretties". The only difference may be the price....................

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7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I don't know about misogynistic, but I don't believe it to be true.  I don't see any way that having sex with multiple men, strangers, probably repulsive, no emotional connection, and have zero respect for the woman, can be anything but harmful.

 

My apologies, I misinterpreted your earlier post.

 

Yes, I think " having multiple sex partners & etc" is harmful. 

 

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8 hours ago, Artisi said:

Why would you imply that All pretties are prostitutes, you would have us believe you have no experience in that area, so it must just be a figment of your imagination - a  badly flawed analysis of these girls /women, but never mind if your happy that's ok. 

Badly  flawed,  like  your suggestion the company I  keep dictates why I think they are all prostitutes , when I keep almost  no company.

From reading numerous  articles on pretties, amongst other personal sources,   you can get a pretty  good  idea of whats really  going on. It's  like the govt telling us there are  no prostitutes in Thailand and to be clearer I  have  no  opinion on whether this is  good   or bad , I'm  indifferent, it's  their business  not  mine.

Wifes    niece is a  pretty, she's  got  silicone almost everywhere and her facebook  posts  leave  little  like many others on there to the imagination  of  whats  being  sold. Every job does  not involve parties  but many do and what goes with that, you'll see her in a supermarket one day selling some cack but  most of the time its  parties. And here she  is ,  but of  course what do I  know, hear from the Wife  about her and her friends, who are  all identical in their  ways, these were the tamest shots  on her facebook  page where she  sells  herself. And how she was as a  kid. Known her  for most of her  life.

The  FULL  news  article link gives a  pretty accurate  description of what life as a  pretty  really  is  like.

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I don't know any working pretties (that I know) but I presume it is a spectrum just like the massage places in Bangkok, a spectrum where are ones if you want a solid hour of s*x that's what you get, and ones where you have to wear a little stretch undie over your private areas--even if the woman is attractive. 

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On 3/1/2021 at 8:09 AM, Kerryd said:

They are called "pretties" because most of them are just that. Pretty.

Not all are "hookers" despite what some want to think in their little fantasies. You know, the ones who seem to think that every woman in Thailand is "for sale" and dying for the opportunity to thrown themselves at the feet of some fat old expat whose barely squeezing by on what little pension he has.

As was detailed many times during the previous case involving a pretty turning up dead, there are different levels of "service" and the girls (usually) know beforehand what could be expected of them. 

Some pretties do just modelling gigs (car shows and the like).
Some do promotional gigs (like working at the "Chang" or "Shark" booths at various events.
Some are hired to attend parties where there may be alcohol but they are only expected to mingle with the guests and look pretty (kind of like what a former First Lady used to do before hooking up with a married man who then dumped his wife for her).
In other parties, the pretties know that there could be a lot of drinking and "groping", while at other parties they may be expected to make themselves "available".

Supposedly, what is expected is known beforehand and the more that is expected, the higher the price to hire the pretties.

(I attended a party last November where the organizer had hired 50 or so "Pretties" who basically were there to mingle, sell shooters and sit with guests - getting paid for each drink they had apparently - and when the party ended, they all (or most of them) packed up and went home. There wasn't any wild, raunchy exhibitionist "go go bar" type activity or even any "coyote dancing".)

And I have no doubt at all that more than a few pretties have gone to parties thinking they'd be sipping a Breezer all night and woke up in the morning naked and with no memory of what happened.
Just as I have no doubt that more than a few men at such parties would have no hesitation at slipping something into a girl's drink, especially if she was cute but wasn't interested in any extracurricular activities.

And those men probably know that there's little chance they'll ever be accused of anything, especially if they are "connected". 

Like in this case where the police have pretty much already concluded that there was no foul play. So they are saying the girl must have willingly consumed possibly lethal amounts of ecstasy, ketamine and alcohol and that there's no chance anyone spiked her drinks.
I wonder if they did an autopsy to see how many people had sex with her before she was dumped at the hospital. Probably not. That might provide evidence after all.

 

These aren't models mate. An according to your contradictory post most if not all these girls are fully aware they may have to deal with different levels of "interaction".

 There are so many variables as to make your post absurd. You have tried to turn into the bar girl/ expat scenario because that suits your narrative. 

 What about girls that like hanging around hiso Thais? Or dream about being a mia noi? Again there are so many variables. In some cases the girls are victims in the vast majority they probably are not. 

 And your assumption that there are plenty of men at parties that want to make girls OD then gang rape them is preposterous. 

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