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2 hours ago, gunderhill said:

He  IS  part of the problem for sure. What they do  love though is to make a  nice  example of the Farang whenever they can, if  that had been me burning it would be a very different story for sure.

I doubt they would care if you were burning. It really doesn’t bother them. Only farangs get uptight about it.

 

The Poo Yai Baan is elected by the people. It is a popularity contest. Running around telling people they have to spend more money or do a hell of a lot more work, or not make any money ISNT going to get him re-elected. 
 

Their country. Up to them.

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Last  night 9.35pm they set the field alight next to my  house, the sky lights  up head  of  village  just says they cant find who did it every time we report it, basically it's  being totally  ignore

Dont need to "look" for anyone, the owner of the land gets the fine, and do it again and forfeit the land.  They'll soon get the message.

This is nonesense to say that the old growth "needs" to be burnt off. I come from a large scale 300 year old farming community and my family has not burnt land for many years. Not at any sig

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we are a stubborn species.....we all know inhaling toxic fumes all day, all night, months and months every year will give us 20-years of health problems and an early death.  plus weird allergies, etc...

 

but we must prove to ourselves we were smart enough to live here.  

 

we are stubborn and dumb.   i hope in 500,000 years the advanced Homo sapien has learned.  

 

"look here, our great-great-grandfather lived in one of the worst polluted areas in the world for 20-years.....and he could have moved!!!!"

 

"oh, boy, why not mom?"

 

"well, he liked getting soup for 20-baht and beer during the day.  plus the girls called him hansum if he paid them"

 

"oh"  

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25 minutes ago, Natai Beach said:


You never been out the city in Australia? The farangs do it there.

 

They do it there for exactly the same reason they do it here. Well not here in Natai Beach where the air is always clear, but up where you live.


Google “Burdekin Snow”.

 

https://www.northqueenslandregister.com.au/story/6773682/burning-desire-for-first-cane-fire/

Do they still burn off sugar cane in Australia?
It's the only cane growing region in Queensland that still burns all of it's cane before harvesting it. ... The Burdekin still burns sugarcane before harvesting because an abundance of water in the region makes the cane too leafy to cut
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13 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

If that is the case, the simplest solution would be to not plant the sugarcane in the first place.

 

I find your statement as a farang, i.e. " If it were me with large fields of cane I would probably do the same" to be appalling to be honest.  

Use it to generate power? At least get some benefit and they can have scrubbers. Oh, is this logical?

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8 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

I doubt they would care if you were burning. It really doesn’t bother them. Only farangs get uptight about it.

They do they pick  up  on many things seems  like they have more time on their  hands  than I do when it comes to complaining.

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8 hours ago, Natai Beach said:


You never been out the city in Australia? The farangs do it there.

 

They do it there for exactly the same reason they do it here. Well not here in Natai Beach where the air is always clear, but up where you live.


Google “Burdekin Snow”.

 

https://www.northqueenslandregister.com.au/story/6773682/burning-desire-for-first-cane-fire/

 

Double edged sword, poison the masses with sugar and smoke, too easy.

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9 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

Sounds like Australia.

Ozzie road   deaths  per  100k are  about 4.6 Thailands  are  about  32  As for air  quality its no contest. 

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20 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

Ozzie road   deaths  per  100k are  about 4.6 Thailands  are  about  32  As for air  quality its no contest. 

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Depends where you live.
 

Natai Beach is in the green as it always is. The only ones complaining about the air down here are the trees because there isn’t enough carbon in the air. 
 

Pretty sure the Thais were burning their cane before you showed up. You chose to move there. Now you want them all to adjust for you. 
 

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20 minutes ago, Natai Beach said:


 

Depends where you live.
 

Natai Beach is in the green as it always is. The only ones complaining about the air down here are the trees because there isn’t enough carbon in the air. 
 

Pretty sure the Thais were burning their cane before you showed up. You chose to move there. Now you want them all to adjust for you. 
 

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If you choose to emigrate then you must put up and shut up in your way of thinking ? I get tired of that attitude . How would the United states look like today if all immigrants followed your advice .

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13 minutes ago, itsari said:

If you choose to emigrate then you must put up and shut up in your way of thinking ? I get tired of that attitude . How would the United states look like today if all immigrants followed your advice .


 

Maybe they would have regular race riots and looting and a government would be building a wall? 
 

Nothing worse than people showing up uninvited to another country and then demanding everyone change for them. 

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11 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

Sounds like Australia.

Thailand doesn't have a government, just an unelected "PM" and a bunch of tinpot soldiers playing at being politicians having regular sits around the table making laws for the sake of it, then changing them again just as quick.

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57 minutes ago, Natai Beach said:


 

Maybe they would have regular race riots and looting and a government would be building a wall? 
 

Nothing worse than people showing up uninvited to another country and then demanding everyone change for them. 

There is a certain faith that is famous for that, and it is not westerners.

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4 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

There is a certain faith that is famous for that, and it is not westerners.

I thought that was the OP. 
Moving to a country and then expect everyone to change for you.
I assumed he was a westerner?

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2 minutes ago, Natai Beach said:

I thought that was the OP. 
Moving to a country and then expect everyone to change for you.
I assumed he was a westerner?

I think you get my drift.

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1 hour ago, Natai Beach said:

Political reasons for the wall and race riots are not regular. 

If  people are not ready to learn from others then they will be the loser .

Uninvited ? The indigenous races around the world never invited Europeans , yet one has to say there has been some improvement for them even if many have had a very bad deal .

I am not invited yet I can see that there can be improvements for all citizens with constructive criticism .

 


 

Maybe they would have regular race riots and looting and a government would be building a wall? 
 

Nothing worse than people showing up uninvited to another country and then demanding everyone change for them. 

 

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2 hours ago, Natai Beach said:


 

Depends where you live.
 

Natai Beach is in the green as it always is. The only ones complaining about the air down here are the trees because there isn’t enough carbon in the air. 
 

Pretty sure the Thais were burning their cane before you showed up. You chose to move there. Now you want them all to adjust for you. 
 

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I  think you'll  find the  Thai Govt  has  announced they DONT want this burning.

The  go  home reply is irrelevant.

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1 minute ago, gunderhill said:

I  think you'll  find the  Thai Govt  has  announced they DONT want this burning.

The  go  home reply is irrelevant.


 

So what will you do about it? 
Can you change it? 
The only way you will escape this problem is to leave. That is the reality.

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Just now, Natai Beach said:


 

So what will you do about it? 
Can you change it? 
The only way you will escape this problem is to leave. That is the reality.

I  shot  both offenders through the head at  point  blank range and then pee'd  on the fire.

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15 hours ago, Aussiepeter said:

Exactly why I abandoned my fantastic 5 y.o. 2 storey palace in Saraphi that I designed & built & that was perfect in every way, making almost no profit and, took my wife and daughter & got the living hell out of Thailand for ever in 2013. The corruption, terrible driving and all the other immigration B/S was one thing - but the foul air was the final straw. Diagnosed with throat cancer upon arrival back in Oz, the fifth such non-smoker to have the same illness (T1 laryngeal cancer) caused, according to my specialist on the Gold Coast, from long-term exposure to filthy air. I lived in LOS for nearly thirty years, mostly in "Changers" and, saw the air degrade from average to terrible in LOS, in only ten years. I had to endure three months of radiation treatment - but I'm alive. It is 2200 hours here in Oz - I just wandered outside to take a pee, as we live in the bush. Crystal clear clean air. Paradise. Then I turned on my computer to look at T/V. I'm not at all religious, but I thanked God. The poor silly dill, a very wealthy man also from Oz, who spent four times the money I spent on a two storey home, to build a single storey bungalow opposite my old house in Saraphi, lives in total denial. He'll get the picture too, when he starts coughing. 

Last year i went as usual to visit my wifes family on the outskirts of Udon Thani when her

nephew picked us up from the Airport i noticed he had a bad cough, when we got to the 

house (about 1 hour drive from Udon center) and i noticed the wifes youngest girl had a 

bad cough ? i never connected them until the next day , i had developed a sore throat ,  i

also started to  smell something and within a week i had a cough ? about 10 days later

i was  sometimes spitting blood, i moved to Udon Town ,to a hotel as i had 1/3 of my left

lung removed ten years ago through lung cancer (i smoked up till then) 

the only other farang in the village openly bragged he burnt plastic bags and other waste

on a regular basis (he told everyone he had gone to medical school and acted as though

he knew everything about anything). at night you can watch flames from the ground to 

the sky its like a disaster movie with everything bar this wall of fire... pitch black smoke.

i steer clear of this place now and only stay for one night and then we move away from 

the village and the smoke, i know one lad who has just built a house not far away but i

have not seen him for a while and it was to late to tell him, so not much i could do.

sad state of affairs all in all, as even with air purifiers, you would have to limit your exposure   

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15 hours ago, KeeTua said:

Brilliant idea! To expand on your simple solution just shut down all the sugarcane plants in Thailand and the planting will stop. I'm sure the sugarcane farmers will all happily go back to subsistence farming.

 

But really its not about the simplest solution what's needed is a workable solution to provide alternatives to the burning.

 

Regarding you being appalled by my statement for what its worth that is me empathizing with the farmers in our village and in general.

 

Industries change, sugar is a curse for most, our bodies are not meant for its purpose, hence the reason we have so many chronic diseases.

 

I have no sympathy for anyone that burns anything, period.

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Yeah, the national and regional forests surrounding our village and just all ablaze.
The villagers are rubbing their hands together and envisioning a bumper crop of mushroom this rainy season. 

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19 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I have no sympathy for anyone that burns anything, period.

And I'm certain that the sugarcane farmers have zero sympathy for a privileged foreigner that chooses to move from their own developed nation to a developing nation and then complains about environmental issues. Especially a foreigner who naively suggests that locals give up their livelihoods because he is annoyed by smoke in the air.

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1 hour ago, KeeTua said:

And I'm certain that the sugarcane farmers have zero sympathy for a privileged foreigner that chooses to move from their own developed nation to a developing nation and then complains about environmental issues. Especially a foreigner who naively suggests that locals give up their livelihoods because he is annoyed by smoke in the air.

 

 

You could be right, but any educated person knows smoke not only causes environmental problems, it also causes health problems.

 

It would appear you lack education and cannot look outside your bubble $ $ $ 

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18 hours ago, NilSS said:

To that end I've created a safe zone by creating a positive pressure zone, the entire first floor of our house, including all the bedrooms and one of my offices where I spend most of my time. It's a completely sealed zone, all external windows and doors sealed up with silicone caulk. Fresh air is pumped (from outdoors) through a ventilation system I created, raising the pressure of the zone slightly so that no foul air can get in through any remaining cracks, and keeping a constant supply of new air coming in. The air is pumped with a high static pressure centrifugal fan, which goes through several stages of filtration before entering the safe zone. The result is medical grade air throughout the whole of the first floor. . .

 

So when the air outside looks like this. . .

 

Kudos to you, well summed up.

 

I got so fed up a few years back that I purchased an IQAir @ 60,000 baht, a big outlay for some, but when it gets really bad, I turn it on and it clears up whatever room I am doing and sometimes leave it on overnight, best investment I ever made.

 

Your points are spot on, however things won't change in our lifetime, and that said, I too have children and do what I can to minimise them being exposed to the bad air, whether that means taking them to school late so that they don't stand at assembly for 45 minutes breathing in the smoke while the principal and others waffle on while the band bashes out it's military style music.

 

We live in Isaan and as you know, this is were the smoke action is, just this morning I was watching black smoke bellowing into the sky, and further down the road a guy burning his rice fields, in broad daylight, like you said, the air is a shared commodity, and we shouldn't have to put up with it.

 

Options, when I have had enough, move to a seaside place or return to my home country where you can't even stand on your balcony to light up a smoke. 

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I treat smoke season like snowstorm season. You just have to get used to it.

 

Shut yourself in, turn on the air purifier, and it's life as usual.

Canadians go through this every winter, and northern Thais every March to April.

That's just the way it is.

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