webfact Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Swiss agree to outlaw facial coverings in "burqa ban" vote By Michael Shields FILE PHOTO: A poster of the initiative committee against wearing the burqa (Verhuellungsverbot) reading "Stop extremism! Veil ban - Yes" is seen in Zurich Switzerland February 15, 2021. On March 7 Switzerland's voters will decide about a nationwide veil ban. REUTERS/Arnd Wiegmann/File Photo ZURICH (Reuters) - A far-right proposal to ban facial coverings in Switzerland won a narrow victory in a binding referendum on Sunday instigated by the same group that organised a 2009 ban on new minarets. The measure to amend the Swiss constitution passed by a 51.2-48.8% margin, provisional official results showed. The proposal under the Swiss system of direct democracy does not mention Islam directly and also aims to stop violent street protesters from wearing masks, yet local politicians, media and campaigners have dubbed it the burqa ban. "In Switzerland, our tradition is that you show your face. That is a sign of our basic freedoms," Walter Wobmann, chairman of the referendum committee and a member of parliament for the Swiss People's Party, had said before the vote. Facial covering is "a symbol for this extreme, political Islam which has become increasingly prominent in Europe and which has no place in Switzerland," he said. Muslim groups condemned the vote and said they would challenge it. "Today's decision opens old wounds, further expands the principle of legal inequality, and sends a clear signal of exclusion to the Muslim minority," the Central Council of Muslims in Switzerland said. It promised legal challenges to laws implementing the ban and a fundraising drive to help women who are fined. "Anchoring dress codes in the constitution is not a liberation struggle for women but a step back into the past," the Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland said, adding Swiss values of neutrality, tolerance and peacemaking had suffered in the debate. France banned wearing a full face veil in public in 2011 and Denmark, Austria, the Netherlands and Bulgaria have full or partial bans on wearing face coverings in public. Two Swiss cantons already have local bans on face coverings, although almost no one in Switzerland wears a burqa and only around 30 women wear the niqab, the University of Lucerne estimates. Muslims make up 5% of the Swiss population of 8.6 million people, most with roots in Turkey, Bosnia and Kosovo. The government had urged people to vote against a ban. (Additional reporting by John Revill, Editing by David Goodman, Elaine Hardcastle and Catherine Evans) -- © Copyright Reuters 2021-03-08 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canopus1969 Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 Some sense at last 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 Does that apply to masks for corona as well? One might assume so. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Does that apply to masks for corona as well? One might assume so. Good point. Strange the article made no mention. And since there are so few Muslims that actually wear it ("almost no one in Switzerland wears a burqa and only around 30 women wear the niqab"), it seems like they've created a solution searching for a problem. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Berkshire said: Good point. Strange the article made no mention. And since there are so few Muslims that actually wear it ("almost no one in Switzerland wears a burqa and only around 30 women wear the niqab"), it seems like they've created a solution searching for a problem. Perhaps getting in before it does become a problem. Easier to do it now than after a few thousand have moved to Switzerland. Sending a message to those wanting to to go there. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, canopus1969 said: Some sense at last Some nonsense at last you mean. But that happens when you let referendums decide. 3 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Perhaps getting in before it does become a problem. Easier to do it now than after a few thousand have moved to Switzerland. Sending a message to those wanting to to go there. What’s the problem? 2 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Perhaps getting in before it does become a problem. Easier to do it now than after a few thousand have moved to Switzerland. Sending a message to those wanting to to go there. It's not like they would conspicuous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 54 minutes ago, Berkshire said: Good point. Strange the article made no mention. And since there are so few Muslims that actually wear it ("almost no one in Switzerland wears a burqa and only around 30 women wear the niqab"), it seems like they've created a solution searching for a problem. Masks are allowed for health- related reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 Everyone has gone mad, burkes, hijabs, what is happening here is people's rights are being removed under religious freedoms. I find no issue with a woman wearing full head gear if her religion (law) states that she must wear it in public, and if she is religious, than that is her religious freedom, however if she is entering a place where security needs to see everyone's faces like at an airport or immigration office, license department or stopped by police when driving to identify her, so be it, but if they don't wish to comply with the countries basic (laws), then ship them back to where they came from and they can wear them there day and night, in other words, can't have your cake and eat it too as the country they are in also has the right to provide security to it's citizens under their (laws). 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, 4MyEgo said: Everyone has gone mad, burkes, hijabs, what is happening here is people's rights are being removed under religious freedoms. I find no issue with a woman wearing full head gear if her religion (law) states that she must wear it in public, and if she is religious, than that is her religious freedom, however if she is entering a place where security needs to see everyone's faces like at an airport or immigration office, license department or stopped by police when driving to identify her, so be it, but if they don't wish to comply with the countries basic (laws), then ship them back to where they came from and they can wear them there day and night, in other words, can't have your cake and eat it too as the country they are in also has the right to provide security to it's citizens under their (laws). Apart from calling people something that can be “shipped back”, I agree to all of the above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Apart from calling people something that can be “shipped back”, I agree to all of the above. I think all countries taking in immigrants should have a strict policy, abide by our laws and you are welcome, however if you don't, your welcome to go back, in fact we will ship you back ! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Not stating any particular opinion on this matter....but it will...it seems .....condemn many muslim women to a life sentence to be served inside their own homes.....religion...arrrggghh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: I find no issue with a woman wearing full head gear if her religion (law) states that she must wear it in public, As I've written several times before, Islam does not demand women wear full head gear or a burqua etc. That is cultural. I have worked with many Muslim women and most did not cover their hair at all. Even in Saudi, head covering for women was only required outside the hospital, even though we treated Saudis. One religious person did try to demand that the nurses caring for him wore a head scarf, but he was told to back off. The rule that many seem to mistake for a requirement of a hair covering is that women dress modestly. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 55 minutes ago, placeholder said: Masks are allowed for health- related reasons. There is also a questionable exception for "ancient customs" (Brauchtum). Maybe radical Islam can be redefined as ancient customs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Some nonsense at last you mean. But that happens when you let referendums decide. Are you British? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said: I think all countries taking in immigrants should have a strict policy, abide by our laws and you are welcome, however if you don't, your welcome to go back, in fact we will ship you back ! Normally “shipping back” people doesn’t work when you abide by laws. You would have to break laws to “ship back” someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Be a lot of cold faces at st moritz in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Some nonsense at last you mean. But that happens when you let referendums decide. I am always put in mind of .....let's have a referendum on...... hanging for murder castration for sex crimes removing tax on cigarettes and alcohol free petrol leaving the EU Scary stuff letting the electorate decide anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Surelynot said: Not stating any particular opinion on this matter....but it will...it seems .....condemn many muslim women to a life sentence to be served inside their own homes.....religion...arrrggghh. Well, perhaps those that are required by their families to "veil up" are already serving a life sentence? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said: Well, perhaps those that are required by their families to "veil up" are already serving a life sentence? Absolutely.....they are to blame...no hesitation...... Sad.....sat by a pool a couple of years ago in Bangkok......Arab family....young sons running riot (in a good way) having a whale of a time....jumping, diving, swimming, splashing...three young daughters...wrapped head to toe.....sat motionless for an hour on a sun bed...... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) I don't see the point in banning it. let the woman look stupid, weak and subservient to their men if they wish, its their loss. They are also dim enough to wear black in hot counties while their men folk wear nice cool white. You've got to laugh, but its a sarcastic laugh. . Edited March 8, 2021 by Pilotman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post polpott Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: I find no issue with a woman wearing full head gear if her religion (law) states that she must wear it in public, and if she is religious, than that is her religious freedom, Its a fashion fad/political statement. They are not required to wear one under Sharia law. In my city in the UK, I grew up near a Pakistani Community, majority 1st generation immigrants in the early 60s. All covered their heads, none covered their faces. Around 10 years ago the burka started to appear, mostly among the younger generation. Now the majority cover their faces due to peer pressure, mainly from the men. Their civil liberties are being denied by being forced to wear them, not from being banned from wearing them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Surelynot said: Scary stuff letting the electorate decide anything. That's what the leaders in North Korea, China say and other countries that this forum is based on. So they either don't have them or cheat. If you support that then that's more scarier for me. What is scarier is that people want democracy but can accept been on the losing side. Seems to be a new movement over the last few decades.... 3 hours ago, Surelynot said: hanging for murder castration for sex crimes removing tax on cigarettes and alcohol free petrol leaving the EU Edited March 8, 2021 by onthedarkside trolling comment & quote of hidden post removed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, Laughing Gravy said: Woke, Snowlflakes, Liberals, Lefties, whatever you want to call them. You forgot rightwing fascists.......just a slip I take it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: I guess you just can't accept the majority. You’re confusing accepting with agreeing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Anti-muslim racist rant and responses removed. 11) You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards Thailand, specific locations, Thai institutions such as the judicial or law enforcement system, Thai culture, Thai people or any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 54 minutes ago, Pravda said: In the past few years Swiss have shown the world that they rank pretty low when it comes to intelligence 51 minutes ago, Surelynot said: In the past few years electorates have shown the world that they rank pretty low when it comes to intelligence To be fair, it’s common sense that intelligence, same as wealth, cannot be distributed evenly; that there must be smarter and dumber people; and that there are more dumb than smart people. Though thanks to the Dunning–Kruger effect, most people may protest against this thought. Anyway, no surprise that referendums tend to lead to subpar outcome. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, welovesundaysatspace said: To be fair, it’s common sense that intelligence, same as wealth, cannot be distributed evenly; that there must be smarter and dumber people; and that there are more dumb than smart people. Though thanks to the Dunning–Kruger effect, most people may protest against this thought. Anyway, no surprise that referendums tend to lead to subpar outcome. As a politician, during an education debate in the house stated.....he was horrified to find out that half the population was below average intelligence....5555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomchaiCNX Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 All back doors regarding so called "freedom of religion" should be closed. That freedom is (ab)used for whatever reason. State and religion are supposed to be separated but in Europe you are even allowed political parties to call themselves Christian Democrats or Muslim this or that. You don't want to know how many money is spent on these people and organisations who believe in fairytales, ridiculous. I have to sponsor my own hobby as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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