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13 hours ago, smedly said:

do explain 

 

what is sorry but ......... my guess is you are from Europe and a big Macron fan 

 

Macron came off with some massively stupid nonsense and so did the EU commission - they failed big time get over it - meanwhile the UK and US are rolling out an effective vaccine program while the EU commission try to blame everyone else for their failures - if it wasn't so serious it would be quite funny

 

UK 66m inhab, 127,000 dead
Macron's France, 66m inhab, 96000 dead.


And you flaunt your nationalist boast with a victorious posture that coud be funny but becomes desperate about human nature.


Ignore List and have a good day.

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As an ageing UK educated expat here and restricted from travelling to Dubai (where I have residency visa and access to vacvine) or even UK, I have to say it is good news for me. I will do my utmost to

With such a small amount of deaths to Covid in Thailand why would you risk it?  I know of 1 person for sure that has died from a blood clot after having the astra zeneca jab. But it's not being r

do explain    what is sorry but ......... my guess is you are from Europe and a big Macron fan    Macron came off with some massively stupid nonsense and so did the EU commission -

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2 hours ago, Bkktodd said:

risk is getting on a motorbike in Thailand. Best to get vaccinated so he has some freedom to travel out of Thailand.  That blood clot incident has not been proven to be as a result of the shot.  Women take the pill to avoid pregnancy and it has risks for blood clots too.  

Your so right about motorbikes, and then you see people riding them without helmets while wearing a mask 🤔

Granted though it will probably be needed to travel anywhere, sort of making it mandatory for most. 

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1 minute ago, Victornoir said:

 

UK 66m inhab, 127,000 dead
Macron's France, 66m inhab, 96000 dead.


And you flaunt your nationalist boast with a victorious posture that coud be funny but becomes desperate about human nature.


Ignore List and have a good day.

Macron is an idiot

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13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's a little more food for thought, check your source for your claim that if you test positive for covid and you die within 6 months its then classified as a covid death.

 

Thats just not true.

But the blood clot is pre existing 🤔 don't be a hypocrit. 

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4 minutes ago, pacman32 said:

But the blood clot is pre existing 🤔 don't be a hypocrit. 

Instead of deflection try back up your claim:

 

"if someone dies within 6 months of a positive Covid test (even asymptomatic) with previous health issues then it's caused by Covid"

 

As I said its just not true, your credibility is zero if you can't back it up or even acknowledge your error be it deliberate or otherwise

 

 

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Well i suppose it's a start.  Personally having tried to get back into Thailand using the online application site, it's going to be a long time before any tourists are coming back to Thailand, it's just not worth all the trouble to come into the country and spend money.   

They're going to have to drop it back to how it used to be a few years ago and leave off with the gestapo interrogation entrance requirements...... 

I travelled hassle free in and out of Thailand for nearly thirty years, and what i've witnessed in the last two and half to three years is absolute economic madness........ Which now is coming to light....... Please drop all the hoops and just go back to when it worked......   Vaccines are not quick fix remedy..... 

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8 hours ago, pacman32 said:

With such a small amount of deaths to Covid in Thailand why would you risk it? 

I know of 1 person for sure that has died from a blood clot after having the astra zeneca jab. But it's not being reported, he was only 32 years old too 😢

 

Think carefully before you sign up to life long 4 times a year unsafe injections.. 

Of course you do was it one of the 10 in Germany? 84 million people and your mate was one of them. 🤣

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6 hours ago, Scottie12 said:

I’m 79 and Astra Zeneca will do me.

The whole of Australia is getting it and I'm up next week. No problemo 

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still isn't clear if the vaccine will be free or we'll have to pay for it, and will it be mandatory or not.

 

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19 hours ago, Rhacsyn said:

As an ageing UK educated expat here and restricted from travelling to Dubai (where I have residency visa and access to vacvine) or even UK, I have to say it is good news for me. I will do my utmost to get vaccinated.

 

Most people who get vaccines or medication during their lifetimes never ask where it comes from or for sure never realistically check the paperwork always included which discusses, amongst other things, potential side effects etc. Every medication has a potential for side effects but the numbers are tiny so why suddenly look so closely and be scared by the same tiny numbers involved in Covid 19 vaccines, a vaccine, which like other vaccines, has been proven to work.

We live in different times now. Being an educated expat, as you describe yourself, and having gathered some wealth, as I see it, you must have had a wheel barrow as you don't seem to critically think for yourself.

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21 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

They are offering what seem to be the 2 most controversial vaccines Astrazeneca and Sinovac.

Good luck to those expats in Phuket.

Will it be free to ex-pats?

 

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In one news bulletin in pre release trials  it said 4 people died with blood clots but in the placebo group 8 people died.

Apparently blood clots are more common than we think.

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My pennys worth;

Im in UK over a year now since last in LOS, age 55 classed as medically high risk under the uk guidlines. From the vaccine rollout I expressed my wish to have the Astra Zenica vaccine (as a layman this was developed on traditional methods as has been mentioned earlier in this thread) The Pfizer and some others on a sythentic basis very new system... I simply preferr tried & tested methods so thats how I seen it. I was booked for AZ shot then a few days later was informed they had made a mistake and the slot alloted to me was Pfizer only, this I declined as I wanted the AZ shot (My body my choice) I was willing to wait for the AZ, they gave me a second date a week later and again it turned out to be the Pfizer at the same location- so again I declined at that facility and decided to get on the NHS online system myself which I did and got the AZ shot at at a mass vaccine location which only does the AZ, I was in/out no issues,  I  had my 1st shot 23rd Feb my 91yr old mother had hers the week before, we are slated for our 2nd boosters 11weeks later already have dates, since then most of the family and friends have all had the AZ and no one has had any issues... Since having the shot I feel a whole lot better in myself and so does everyone else who have had it, we still take the correct precautions but it does make you feel better just saying like... Reports are Macron & Co are now asking Vlad for Sputnik??? Good luck with that (I thought there was an embargo on states that conduct terror attacks on other countries?? - Sailsbury Novichok?) 

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7 hours ago, sandyf said:

The chances of developing DVT are about 1 in 1000 per year, although certain factors greatly increase this risk. The cumulative chance of developing DVT over a lifetime ranges from 2 percent to 5 percent. 

 

Well ... then let’s compare this number to the most recent study from Prof. Ioannidis about infection fatality rates:

https://doi.org/10.1111/eci.13554

 

”the available evidence suggests average global IFR of ~0.15%”

 

So that means:

your    1 in 1000    for DVT compares 

to an infection fatality rate for Covid of    1.5 in 1000

 

Shall we conclude from that, in analogy to DVT,

you consider Covid as not very dangerous ???

 

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8 hours ago, pacman32 said:

It always amazes me that if someone dies within 6 months of a positive Covid test (even asymptomatic) with previous health issues then it's caused by Covid, but someone dies within days of having a vaccine it's caused by pre existing issues 🤔

What you should realise about the death I mentioned is that it has not been reported, so how many others have not? 

 

Just food for thought. 

Both statements are incorrect.

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On 3/31/2021 at 7:32 PM, bkk6060 said:

They are offering what seem to be the 2 most controversial vaccines Astrazeneca and Sinovac.

Good luck to those expats in Phuket.

I take the Astrazeneca . 300 milion vaccinated . Check England . ( I am not British ) How many cases there on how many millions vaccinated  ?

30 clogs in Germany and a mediatic BS

 

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16 hours ago, pacman32 said:

It always amazes me that if someone dies within 6 months of a positive Covid test (even asymptomatic) with previous health issues then it's caused by Covid, but someone dies within days of having a vaccine it's caused by pre existing issues 🤔

What you should realise about the death I mentioned is that it has not been reported, so how many others have not? 

 

Just food for thought. 

Six months? I'm not sure where that is, but it's 28 days in the UK. Personally I also think it's a bit silly saying that a death up to 28 days of a positive Covid test is attributed to Covid, but I don't make the rules. The reason you state that the death you mentioned wasn't reported is, perhaps, because it's just one death and therefore insignificant in the bigger picture of millions and millions of people not developing blood clots and dying. If there was a trend of people dying then I'm quite sure it would be reported. Besides, two people in Thailand have died since having the vaccine and they were reported, although 'officially' not attributed to the vaccine.

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It should be important to keep up with the news on these vaccines prior to getting them jabbed into your body.  Both have controversy and questionable reliability.

The US and many other countries will not even use the Astrazeneca.  Even as recently as last month they were changing their reports. 

Up to you, I personally will not take either of these vaccines.

 

 

Scientists in Brazil have downgraded the efficacy of a Chinese coronavirus vaccine that they hailed as a major triumph last week, diminishing hopes for a shot that could be quickly produced and easily distributed to help the developing world.

Officials at the Butantan Institute in São Paulo said on Tuesday that a trial conducted in Brazil showed that the CoronaVac vaccine, made by the Beijing-based company Sinovac, had an efficacy rate just over 50 percent. That rate, slightly above the benchmark that the World Health Organization has said would make a vaccine effective for general use, was far below the 78 percent level announced last week.

 

Late last year, the drugmaker and Oxford University published data from an earlier trial with two different efficacy readings as a result of a dosing error. Then in March, more than a dozen countries temporarily suspended the use of AstraZeneca’s vaccine after reports linked it to a rare blood clotting disorder.

Also in March, a U.S. health agency said data from the company gave an incomplete picture of its efficacy. Days later AstraZeneca published results showing diminished, though still strong, efficacy.

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On 3/31/2021 at 7:00 AM, Rhacsyn said:

As an ageing UK educated expat here and restricted from travelling to Dubai (where I have residency visa and access to vacvine) or even UK, I have to say it is good news for me. I will do my utmost to get vaccinated.

 

Most people who get vaccines or medication during their lifetimes never ask where it comes from or for sure never realistically check the paperwork always included which discusses, amongst other things, potential side effects etc. Every medication has a potential for side effects but the numbers are tiny so why suddenly look so closely and be scared by the same tiny numbers involved in Covid 19 vaccines, a vaccine, which like other vaccines, has been proven to work.

I agree with the majority of your comments but let me stir things up a bit? I've never had a problem taking even a flu shot but the development of these vaccine were done within a year when the normal process for others have been years! The red tape has been cut and I believe it doesn't mean corners were taken the majority of them have studies and paperwork to back them up majority of them seem transparent. AZ isn't my top choice but I wouldn't have a problem taking it.  But if it is Sino from China where at this time tough to believe anything they have to say or put forth in my opinion. I will pass but if Thailand official say " you take the Sino and we will allow you to leave and return with no restrictions and I mean ZERO!  meaning I can come and go pre-covid I'll be the first hypocrite in line!🤣

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17 hours ago, pacman32 said:

Simple maths, you have to have 2 jabs and the vaccine is only effective (even though you can still catch the virus and transmit it 🤔) for 6 months. So that is 4 a year, an I not correct? 

 

All to not be 100% protected so what is the point of the risk for such a small risk. 

Granted if you are over 70 then maybe it is worth the risk but I can't even see that in a country with such low deaths from the virus. 

they ONLY say 6 months NOW, cause thats all the testing they have done>
wait a year and see how long its really effective..

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No way i am taking any vaccine. You stand more chance of dying crossing the road in Thailand than any Covid related illness. Especially not the untested mRNA vaccines.

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18 hours ago, Thalueng said:

These so called experts are idiots. New vaccine types is correct, where side effects are hugely less likely than with traditional vaccine types. Long term side effects are impossible. Such people are only feeding off the fear of people, don't follow to spread the fear.

The fear is all about the COVID at first position, and that is BECAUSE of the use of this fear (spread by officials) that there is an incredible so quickly maid (so quick that it is out of the normal prudent proceed) vaccine and genetic modified products that authorities want absolutely people inflate in their blood (even without speak about the possible natural immune ones that do exist a lot).

This is the real result of the fear and the hit, and the history will notice it as it is.

The idiots you are mentioning are not the one declared to be 'experts' that are real dumb and full with interest conflict (but can we talk about corruption and interest conflict nowadays without be declared as communist or conspiracy theorist ? we are now, down to level zero of intelligence !), but the specialist (the best one in the world) who try to explain to people like you that this vaccine can be maybe good... or not (they don't really know, they can not).

And what is your answer ? well... there is not more blinded than someone who don't want to see.

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18 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Instead of deflection try back up your claim:

 

"if someone dies within 6 months of a positive Covid test (even asymptomatic) with previous health issues then it's caused by Covid"

 

As I said its just not true, your credibility is zero if you can't back it up or even acknowledge your error be it deliberate or otherwise

 

 

but for you, people are only:

1/ pro vax

or

2/ anti vax

You are all the time unable to share ideas or provide any argument out of the mass media system where you got it and jump on the one you like, forget all the other, reduce the final mixture, then drink all at one time.

 

Why would you like to spread the idea that you can be intelligent in this kind of repetitive practice (again and again and again) ? You have so huge binary comments there... please, look this at what it is.

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1 hour ago, thailand49 said:

I agree with the majority of your comments but let me stir things up a bit? I've never had a problem taking even a flu shot but the development of these vaccine were done within a year when the normal process for others have been years! The red tape has been cut and I believe it doesn't mean corners were taken the majority of them have studies and paperwork to back them up majority of them seem transparent. AZ isn't my top choice but I wouldn't have a problem taking it.  But if it is Sino from China where at this time tough to believe anything they have to say or put forth in my opinion. I will pass but if Thailand official say " you take the Sino and we will allow you to leave and return with no restrictions and I mean ZERO!  meaning I can come and go pre-covid I'll be the first hypocrite in line!🤣

so you are feeling that democracy and facts to follow a way is because of hypocrites majority ?

Well... this predicated can be a possible fact in the algorithm, but i'm not sure (i hope it is wrong even if it does exist, your reality, your practices, are not the one to everybody).

 

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8 hours ago, rickudon said:

This topic has attracted antivaxer fake news like flies to turds.

 

Just 2 little facts -

first - the deaths to reported cases  globally still runs at about 2% a day (can check on worldometer) Obviously some countries have better survival rates than others.

 

Second - in France, 60% of intensive care patients with covid are under 70 - nearly 30% are under 60. Not just the very old getting seriously ill.

 

Now if you want to avoid having the vaccine up to you, but covid should statistically cull more anti-vaxers. Evolution at work.

it is clear that you way to thinking is simple:

The list of "anti-vax" for you are all of them:

1/ people who scare vaccine (and really anti vax, that i not read any there), 2/ the one who are prudent and consider the special situation to have a new vaccine and some new technology geneticaly modified product presented as to be a vaccine (that is not) to be made so quick to be potentialy dangerous (and at the first position of them, the specialist in their own domain of studies and practices that you are full ignorant and put in your reducer: the "anti-vax" group).

 

And the pro-vax are:

1/ binary thinking dumb who reduce all and still scare about everything and 2/ the most concerned population victim of any virus because they are in bad condition or very old because the science make them living decades more then they should expect without help.

 

Your reduction and mixture is showing your actual limitation. A kind of limitation that clearly show that you can not share and learn with someone in this kind of practice. You just increase the problem by your communication and because we are free to express ourselves as you are, someone should show your practice and explain you how unproductive it is.

 

Also, in fact,  when you rich 60 years old, for humanity, you are still very old, even if science help you so much to survive. Other survival ones who did never ask help from science up to this age are very rare and real survivor (not ALL the other). After 35 years (around this) old, the body evolution doesn't grow much and start to fall decrease... you start to become old.

Never mind what the idea is about what has to be "old" or not in the social consciences and human community, sciences facts still exist to show the line: around 35 years old. After this line, you most probably start to become an old man/woman (even if you accept or not, your ability will just be to be able to accept things or not...). That's it. So yes, humanity community is right now, very old, and more old it is, more health care problem concerned it will have.

 

Now it looks like the future of the humanity is becoming the old one and much more: a priority... but, in fact, don't trust me on this, because it is not what i am thinking... i'm thinking that in a room with yellow light open, we still thinking the wall is white colored (as it is not). I think that in a capitalist world, all is about business, and where is the money ? Where are the best clients ? I not said it is all about that... i don't want to reduce anything. I said that it should be a part of something to consider as existing in the real life and not in a small proportion.

 

Hey babies boomers... you are the target number one nowadays !

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1 hour ago, jerolamo said:

but for you, people are only:

1/ pro vax

or

2/ anti vax

You are all the time unable to share ideas or provide any argument out of the mass media system where you got it and jump on the one you like, forget all the other, reduce the final mixture, then drink all at one time.

 

Why would you like to spread the idea that you can be intelligent in this kind of repetitive practice (again and again and again) ? You have so huge binary comments there... please, look this at what it is.

"Why would you like to spread the idea that you can be intelligent in this kind of repetitive practice (again and again and again) ? You have so huge binary comments there... please, look this at what it is."

Look at the number of posts and kind of posts you have made in this thread, and then you criticize someone else for doing something that you have done yourself much more frequently.

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