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Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

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ha ha ha.. Yeah sure, nothing in Thailand thats involved with beaurocracy ever gets greased through !! Tell that to the longer term guys wandering round with Thai passports.. Anyway that was the price I was offered.. For me I dont see 650k value in it..
I am not able to speak about things of this nature that may or may not have happened in the past, but it certainly is not the case now.
how long did you have a residency before this?

I believe that the OP held PR for more than 5 years prior to his application for citizenship.

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ha ha ha.. Yeah sure, nothing in Thailand thats involved with beaurocracy ever gets greased through !! Tell that to the longer term guys wandering round with Thai passports.. Anyway that was the price I was offered.. For me I dont see 650k value in it..
I am not able to speak about things of this nature that may or may not have happened in the past, but it certainly is not the case now.
how long did you have a residency before this?
I believe that the OP held PR for more than 5 years prior to his application for citizenship.

Yes, he already said this earlier in the thread.

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Someone already addressed the issue on being able to 'buy' a Thai PP before. Apparently, years ago it was possible, but not anymore.

My take on it all is if wheels could be greased, then you'd be more than hearing about it, you'd be seeing it with lots of farangs walking about with Thai ID cards. Fact of the matter is that we've got a PR thread here running on TV where you can get a feel for the process, and not once is the concept of under the table payments is made. Indeed, immigration provide warnings that PR applicants not to fall for requests of bribes, and to report them as such. This is applicable to visas in general as well, for all that people whinge and moan about the visa situation here in Thailand, you'd see very few people accuse the immigration people of outright bribery.

As for citizenship. I think it is fair to say that Thailand is has a pretty schitzophrenic approach. On one hand, you only have to be a child of a Thai national (born anywhere in the world) and you are eligible for citizenship. Farang children born to PR's in Thailand, are also on easy street. On the other hand, it can be pretty tight fisted in giving out citizenship making it hard to become eligible (not all people can qualify for PR), and the make it hard even to some of those who are eligible (hill tribes with proven Thai relatives as an example....).

That is not to say that the average farang, if he/she qualified, couldn't go ahead and apply for it. Indeed, I think as a farang, you'd stand a pretty good chance of getting it. As we've heard, apart from the meeting the requirments, a subjective assesment is made of the persons character and being a farang, already puts you way ahead of the pack. People may choose not to beleive it, but as a farang, you are at the top of the pile as foreigners here go. And as a farang who has shown a genuine commitment to Thailand, from what I've seen, Thai's would think butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

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^Wheels can always be greased. The trick is finding the squeaky ones that need greasing. :o

As just about anywhere, in Thailand you can get away with murder with the right amount of money.

More often than not you need a trusted discreet and well connected intermediary(read lawyer) to handle the details. It is kind of refreshing to learn that as a rule these things are handled legitimately.

I'll tell you if I found a way through the system to get a PR or citizenship in a streamlined manner I wouldn't advertise it here on a public forum. I'd be the proverbial clam.

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^Wheels can always be greased. The trick is finding the squeaky ones that need greasing. :o

As just about anywhere, in Thailand you can get away with murder with the right amount of money.

More often than not you need a trusted discreet and well connected intermediary(read lawyer) to handle the details. It is kind of refreshing to learn that as a rule these things are handled legitimately.

I'll tell you if I found a way through the system to get a PR or citizenship in a streamlined manner I wouldn't advertise it here on a public forum. I'd be the proverbial clam.

For me, the reason why I believe the citizenship area is free from corruption is the issue of national sovereignty. Citizenship, means access to this sovereignty - land, and unfettered rights to exploit what ever sits in the borders, so it isn't given away easily, and any price offered for it is likely to be too high.

Governments of all stripes, will wage catastrophic war for a few square km's of useless mudflats or inches of territory to protect its sovereign rights and claims, so it isn't a surprise for me at least is that the road to citizenship is a tough one at least in Thailand. On this point at least, access to land (whichever way) is a protected and non negotiable issue.

Other countries, take the view that a certain level of foreign participation in ones economy is a good thing, and that the wealth it generates will benefit all its citizens. Hence, the relatively liberal approach to immigration and foreign investment we see in the west. Unfortunately, the public debate in Thailand hasn't yet reached this point. It will, slowly I am sure as the real and perceived benefits become apparent

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Did the Interior Ministry interview this morning, along with about 100 other people. Was very professionally organized with each couple being interviewed by one main interviewer supported by an IM person providing confirming background detail and 3 other govt. officials taking notes. Involved about 5 minutes of very basic questions about our circumstances. Not at all intimidating and very friendly. No singing, for me at least, altho some people behind me were still preparing when we were done. The main interviewer, who seemed director-general level, congratulated me at the end and the IM support person said the IM Minister would sign the order authorizing my citizenship and that will be that. So apart from years of waiting, that's that.

As a by the by, the woman waiting next to me ahead of our interview had her application in for 8 yrs and an acquaintance I knew who happened to be there today put his in last year. Taking out the gap between mine being lodged and me being out of the country, I waited 2 yrs. No explanation for the difference in wait time other than the suggestion that this govt. is trying to clear a backlog built up by the previous admin. So much for anti-foreign sentiment.

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Did the Interior Ministry interview this morning, along with about 100 other people. Was very professionally organized with each couple being interviewed by one main interviewer supported by an IM person providing confirming background detail and 3 other govt. officials taking notes. Involved about 5 minutes of very basic questions about our circumstances. Not at all intimidating and very friendly. No singing, for me at least, altho some people behind me were still preparing when we were done. The main interviewer, who seemed director-general level, congratulated me at the end and the IM support person said the IM Minister would sign the order authorizing my citizenship and that will be that. So apart from years of waiting, that's that.

As a by the by, the woman waiting next to me ahead of our interview had her application in for 8 yrs and an acquaintance I knew who happened to be there today put his in last year. Taking out the gap between mine being lodged and me being out of the country, I waited 2 yrs. No explanation for the difference in wait time other than the suggestion that this govt. is trying to clear a backlog built up by the previous admin. So much for anti-foreign sentiment.

Congratulations, and sounds like you had a very good outcome. Didn't know that you ladies don't even have to sing the National Anthem and get interviewed alone by a room full of officials like us guys .... you did miss the best part though :o

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They may have changed the procedure. Female and male acquaintances did their singing at the police station; same male acquaintance who was among interviewees this morning. Another female freind who had her interview earlier this year and now has the ID card had a room full of officials with microphones, like you, but didn't have to sing. Our experience was a bit like I'd imagine speed dating to be. Two kitchen-sized tables each with six chairs and we sat elbow to elbow for a brief chat before the 'yindee duay' was declared by the interviewer. Would have been very odd had anyone burst into song. It seemed to me they were more intent on confirming peoples' bonafides than judging their singing skills.

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congrats chatette

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Hi Chalette,

Congratulations! Would you mind elaborating on your interview today? Did they ask you detailed questions about Thai history or why you wanted to become Thai? If you could provide more detail that would be great.

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^Wheels can always be greased. The trick is finding the squeaky ones that need greasing. :o

As just about anywhere, in Thailand you can get away with murder with the right amount of money.

More often than not you need a trusted discreet and well connected intermediary(read lawyer) to handle the details. It is kind of refreshing to learn that as a rule these things are handled legitimately.

I'll tell you if I found a way through the system to get a PR or citizenship in a streamlined manner I wouldn't advertise it here on a public forum. I'd be the proverbial clam.

For me, the reason why I believe the citizenship area is free from corruption is the issue of national sovereignty. Citizenship, means access to this sovereignty - land, and unfettered rights to exploit what ever sits in the borders, so it isn't given away easily, and any price offered for it is likely to be too high.

Governments of all stripes, will wage catastrophic war for a few square km's of useless mudflats or inches of territory to protect its sovereign rights and claims, so it isn't a surprise for me at least is that the road to citizenship is a tough one at least in Thailand. On this point at least, access to land (whichever way) is a protected and non negotiable issue.

Other countries, take the view that a certain level of foreign participation in ones economy is a good thing, and that the wealth it generates will benefit all its citizens. Hence, the relatively liberal approach to immigration and foreign investment we see in the west. Unfortunately, the public debate in Thailand hasn't yet reached this point. It will, slowly I am sure as the real and perceived benefits become apparent

Hi Samran,

You were right in your earlier comments about the passport office - plain sailing. Applied in less than half an hour at the passport office in Central Bang Na, just showing my ID card and my cerificate of citizenship. Picked up my new passport two days later. Only cost 1000 Baht.

If only the Ampers could learn a thing or two about modern administrative practices from these guys at the passsport office ....

Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention in my earlier post on my experience at the Ampher to the rest of the group. Although when I origtinally applied for Thai citizenship I had to reserve a Thai forename and surname, I was in the end allowed to keep my original name. Apparently, they have changed the rule obliging a name change on conversion to Thai citizenship. I can always change my name later, if I want, just like the Thais do.

Cheers

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excellent news. Now you are free to travel I guess!

Did you by any chance get an indication if a farang male with a Thai PP was a common occurance. They gave me the impression that they get a farang coming in on almost a weekly basis out at Chaeng Wattana...but I can't really verify if this was true.

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excellent news. Now you are free to travel I guess!

Did you by any chance get an indication if a farang male with a Thai PP was a common occurance. They gave me the impression that they get a farang coming in on almost a weekly basis out at Chaeng Wattana...but I can't really verify if this was true.

that would only be 52 a year!! :o

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Hi, Firstly a woman from the interior ministry read out our profile from a file then the main interviewer asked a few questions, specifically if I could keep my original citizenship, how long I've been in Thailand, what work I do, why I went abroad for 4 yrs, what nationality my child has, what type of visa I have. That was about it. Less than 5 mins.

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