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I'm in a yellow book which was issued in Sattahip for a property that is between Sattahip and Pattaya. Would I apply at the Police HQ in Pattaya ? Does anyone have any experience of using Pattaya as an application place ? Thanks.

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28 minutes ago, Arkady said:

 

According to regulations, the interview panel, aka the small committee, is comprised of 15 people but there are others in the room who are not official members of the committee.

 

Apart from the singing, the interview for those who apply under their own steam on the basis of PR instead of being married to a Thai is significantly harder. Obviously you have to do it alone and it took about 15 minutes in my case.  Apart from questions about my life and status in Thailand, I was asked questions about my views on the Thai economy, inflation and the price of gold and relatively difficult stuff like that, although I got the sense it was more because of the nature of my work than an effort to catch me out.  People who are married to foreigners can expect questions about their integration into Thai society and motivation for wanting Thai citizenship, although that was not my case as I already had a Thai wife but we had not been married long enough for me to get exemption from singing etc.

 

Knowledge of the Thai language is required by the Nationality Act but those with Thai wives have been given exemption from that requirement since 2008.  Thus the interview for those married to Thais is only about 5 minutes and your wife is present and allowed to help.  As you mentioned, they are without mercy regarding the singing test for those without Thai spouses.  Most of those that fail the singing usually have bad spoken Thai and oral comprehension too but the singing is probably the acid test that determines whether they get through or not, as it is easy for the committee to agree on pass or fail over that, thus saving them time.

The problem is that if you are applying based on marriage to a Thai woman, if you do not have Thai language ability you will not be able to take the general knowledge test which is in Thai. You would, thus, probably not be able to score the minimum 50 points needed to qualify, unless you also held a PR. As you pointed out previously in great detail, it is a points based system, with points awarded for a variety of things, including language proficiency, qualifications, knowledge of Thailand, income, and PR (if you have it), etc.  

 

BTW my last interview before the small committee (I took two), was nearer 15 minutes, but I understand this was an exception rather than the rule. 

 

PS I will stop following up with SB on the previously promised typed up copy of the Royal Gazette. I have been informed again that it will not be forthcoming. I assume when it comes to renewing my ID card in 8 years there will be no problem simply using the documents I already have in hand.   

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I have very little Thai language ability. I didn't ask where my points came from and I didn't have PR. I do have a degree plus a Masters degree, plus professional qualifications, I guess the rest must be a combination of occupation, age etc. I wasn't asked to take a general knowledge test in Thai. In my interview with Special Branch and NIA I mainly spoke English. My occupation being conducted in English and my wife being fluent in English has meant that I haven't needed to learn Thai apart from things needed as part of the regular daily routine. I'm not proud of it but lack of need and a poor ability at foreign languages has meant that my Thai language knowledge is very basic. I'll keep everyone posted and maybe my story might give some hope and encouragement to those of us who are yet to master Thai.

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On 9/2/2016 at 10:25 PM, Big Guns said:

I have very little Thai language ability. I didn't ask where my points came from and I didn't have PR. I do have a degree plus a Masters degree, plus professional qualifications, I guess the rest must be a combination of occupation, age etc. I wasn't asked to take a general knowledge test in Thai. In my interview with Special Branch and NIA I mainly spoke English. My occupation being conducted in English and my wife being fluent in English has meant that I haven't needed to learn Thai apart from things needed as part of the regular daily routine. I'm not proud of it but lack of need and a poor ability at foreign languages has meant that my Thai language knowledge is very basic. I'll keep everyone posted and maybe my story might give some hope and encouragement to those of us who are yet to master Thai.

 

As mentioned before, you are legally exempted from having knowledge of the Thai language because you have a Thai wife, under Section 11.4  the  Nationality Act, as amended in 2008.  You can get enough points, if you have very good scores on age & education, security of profession and personality, even if you score zero on Thai language (max 15),. general knowledge (max 10) and residence (max 20 which requires PR for 10 years), although most people will find it quite difficult, if they are not in the optimum age group and don't have a PhD or masters.   If your wife interviews well and does a good job prompting you in the MoI interview, you will probably get through, since they won't have any legal grounds for rejecting you.  I have never heard of anyone getting through that couldn't communicate in Thai at all but perhaps that is because most don't dare apply.  Best of luck in your application and keep us posted.

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On 9/2/2016 at 3:52 PM, regedit said:

I'm in a yellow book which was issued in Sattahip for a property that is between Sattahip and Pattaya. Would I apply at the Police HQ in Pattaya ? Does anyone have any experience of using Pattaya as an application place ? Thanks.

 

I also live in Chonburi province and am trying to apply for citizenship.

 

The special branch in Bangkok have told me I must apply at the provincial police HQ in Chonburi city. This is consistent with the information on the ministry of foreign affairs website and the accounts of other people on this forum and elsewhere that reside in the provinces. 

 

However, the Chonburi city police HQ have told my wife and I that they do not accept applications for citizenship and that this must be done in Bangkok. My wife has tried to explain what is stated on the government website and what has been explained by the Bangkok police, but the reception desk staff at Chonburi police HQ are adamant that citizenship applications are submitted only in Bangkok and that they do not have application forms or an officer tasked with handling citizenship applications at their police station.

 

Please share your experiences about applying in Chonburi on this forum or by PM as I would appreciate any advice you can share. I am sure there is a officer at Chonburi that can take citizenship applications, but all my attempts to find out who this is and how I can contact him/her have been unsuccessful.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Andrew Eldritch said:

Please share your experiences about applying in Chonburi

 

Number 69 of the on 28 January 2016 for Thai citizenship approved foreigners had his address in Chonburi province. However, he might have applied years and years ago and application acceptations in Chonburi might have changed since then.

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On 9/9/2016 at 9:59 AM, Andrew Eldritch said:

 

I also live in Chonburi province and am trying to apply for citizenship.

 

The special branch in Bangkok have told me I must apply at the provincial police HQ in Chonburi city. This is consistent with the information on the ministry of foreign affairs website and the accounts of other people on this forum and elsewhere that reside in the provinces. 

 

However, the Chonburi city police HQ have told my wife and I that they do not accept applications for citizenship and that this must be done in Bangkok. My wife has tried to explain what is stated on the government website and what has been explained by the Bangkok police, but the reception desk staff at Chonburi police HQ are adamant that citizenship applications are submitted only in Bangkok and that they do not have application forms or an officer tasked with handling citizenship applications at their police station.

 

Please share your experiences about applying in Chonburi on this forum or by PM as I would appreciate any advice you can share. I am sure there is a officer at Chonburi that can take citizenship applications, but all my attempts to find out who this is and how I can contact him/her have been unsuccessful.

 

 

 

 

Certainly people have been successful applying in Chonburi in the past.  I believe the application has to be made through Special Branch at the Chonburi Provincial Police HQ.  You might ask Special Branch in Bangkok if they can put you in touch with their colleagues there.  If Chonburi SB refuse to process your application, or you can't even identify the person responsible, your only option may be to get on a tabien baan in Bangkok, as many applicants have had to do before you, including the OP of this thread.

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I applied in Bangkok and had to be on a tabien baan in BKK despite having a work permit in Rayong as my lawyer told me it was the better option. You might have some issues in Bangkok also with the tabien baan as they argue that you're work permit isn't in Bangkok and this cause me a headache

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I applied in Bangkok and had to be on a tabien baan in BKK despite having a work permit in Rayong as my lawyer told me it was the better option. You might have some issues in Bangkok also with the tabien baan as they argue that you're work permit isn't in Bangkok and this cause me a headache


I don't think that working and living in the same city, town or province is a requirement when applying for Thai citizenship.

I had my tabien baan in Bangkok but place of work in a southern province.

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It's not a requirement but often officials in this country interpret things very differently hence at one office in Bangkok they completely refused to put me on a tabien baan and another where my lawyer had connections allowed it (and even they weren't happy). Its a forum and all I can give is my personal experience, don't expect uniformity when dealing with Thai officials.

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On 15/09/2016 at 2:13 PM, aidenai said:


I don't think that working and living in the same city, town or province is a requirement when applying for Thai citizenship.

I had my tabien baan in Bangkok but place of work in a southern province.

 

There's a section in your work permit for your home address. Probably best that this matches your tabien baan. And if asked why you live in one province but work in another, just say that you stay in hotels during the working week.

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And if asked why you live in one province but work in another, just say that you stay in hotels during the working week.

If they ask me, I will.

Thanks for the advice. Cheers.

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