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15 minutes ago, greenchair said:

I looked on that site. 

I didn't need evidence of donations to anyone. 

Did not need 5 copies of anything. 

Did not need to show income, just my husbands. 

The interview at the police office was in thai because I was able to speak Thai. But for those that couldn't, the officers tried to communicate in English or translated through the Thai spouse. Why do people make things sound so complicated. 

I did not realize that your were a foreign woman married to a Thai man. Sorry. The process is much simpler than if you are a foreign man married to a Thai woman (my case). This is because you are applying as if you were the property of your husband. Sounds awful I know, but that is the way it is. I believe they also refer to the way you obtain citizenship differently too.      

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3 hours ago, GarryP said:

I did not realize that your were a foreign woman married to a Thai man. Sorry. The process is much simpler than if you are a foreign man married to a Thai woman (my case). This is because you are applying as if you were the property of your husband. Sounds awful I know, but that is the way it is. I believe they also refer to the way you obtain citizenship differently too.      

Oh ship my secret is out. I don't mind being the property of anyone at all, if that will mean no more yearly immigration visits and a job at tesco lotus. I got a small trouble with the court a while back. I was teaching in my home after school. Someone from the moe said I was a non formal school. But of course I am not. Still I lost in the court. 

Will that effect my citizenship, do you know? ??

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18 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Oh ship my secret is out. I don't mind being the property of anyone at all, if that will mean no more yearly immigration visits and a job at tesco lotus. I got a small trouble with the court a while back. I was teaching in my home after school. Someone from the moe said I was a non formal school. But of course I am not. Still I lost in the court. 

Will that effect my citizenship, do you know? ??

For men, you must not have a criminal record. I assume it would be the same for women but am not sure. And I am not sure whether it covers the whole gamut of criminal offences. 

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15 hours ago, GarryP said:

For men, you must not have a criminal record. I assume it would be the same for women but am not sure. And I am not sure whether it covers the whole gamut of criminal offences. 

 

 At my MRI I interview there was a man who had a criminal record that was working with out a work permit.  Since he was clearly  passed by the SB it means a minor offence like that is not a  bar to citizenship   

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2 minutes ago, nickcar said:

 

 At my MRI I interview there was a man who had a criminal record that was working with out a work permit.  Since he was clearly  passed by the SB it means a minor offence like that is not a  bar to citizenship   

So petty offences are not a hindrance then. 

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On 13/11/2016 at 10:59 AM, sas_cars said:

 


Guess these are the ones who conduct interview at Mcdonalds?

 

 

My interview with the NIA was at my house.

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23 hours ago, nickcar said:

 

 At my MRI I interview there was a man who had a criminal record that was working with out a work permit.  Since he was clearly  passed by the SB it means a minor offence like that is not a  bar to citizenship   

 

 

Thank you for that. I will wait and see. 

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7 hours ago, CanadianGirl2 said:

 

My interview with the NIA was at my house.

 

While I held address in Bangkok, the NIA officers were so kind to meet us at the office of the Provincial Administrative Organisation in the province where I worked and lived. 

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On 10/17/2016 at 2:27 PM, Arkady said:

 

Not necessary.  People have successfully applied for citizenship the day after getting in a tabian baan. There is no seasoning requirement.  

 

Arkady, do you or any of the other experts know if this is this explicitly stated in a ministerial regulation?

 

Or, if there are examples from this forum or elsewhere of people successfully applying immediately after being added to a tabien baan?

 

I was added to the house book last year when I received PR. I tried to apply today (outside of BKK) based on marriage and children.

 

The reason given for not accepting my application was that a minimum of two years on a tabien baan is a mandatory requirement.

 

The officer said blue book or yellow book and changes of addresses do not matter, but at least two years house book tenure is required at the time of application.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Andrew Eldritch said:

 

Arkady, do you or any of the other experts know if this is this explicitly stated in a ministerial regulation?

 

Or, if there are examples from this forum or elsewhere of people successfully applying immediately after being added to a tabien baan?

 

I was added to the house book last year when I received PR. I tried to apply today (outside of BKK) based on marriage and children.

 

The reason given for not accepting my application was that a minimum of two years on a tabien baan is a mandatory requirement.

 

The officer said blue book or yellow book and changes of addresses do not matter, but at least two years house book tenure is required at the time of application.

 

 

I applied based on marriage to a Thai, not PR. I was on a yellow tabien baan only 6 months when I applied. I applied in 2011 if I recall correctly. I do not know if regulations have since changed or it is a different requirement if based on PR. 

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16 hours ago, GarryP said:

I applied based on marriage to a Thai, not PR. I was on a yellow tabien baan only 6 months when I applied. I applied in 2011 if I recall correctly. I do not know if regulations have since changed or it is a different requirement if based on PR. 

 

Just to add to this, I was on the yellow book for 9 months when I applied for citizenship in 2015.

The only requirements were that you had to be married to a Thai for 3 years or 1 year if you have children together. No requirements for how long you have been living in Thailand or how long you have been in a yellow book. 

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On 11/17/2016 at 7:37 PM, Andrew Eldritch said:

 

Arkady, do you or any of the other experts know if this is this explicitly stated in a ministerial regulation?

 

Or, if there are examples from this forum or elsewhere of people successfully applying immediately after being added to a tabien baan?

 

I was added to the house book last year when I received PR. I tried to apply today (outside of BKK) based on marriage and children.

 

The reason given for not accepting my application was that a minimum of two years on a tabien baan is a mandatory requirement.

 

The officer said blue book or yellow book and changes of addresses do not matter, but at least two years house book tenure is required at the time of application.

 

 

 

You can look back through this thread but I recall one of the ladies married to a Thai saying she applied the day after getting a yellow tabien baan.

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On 11/15/2016 at 2:32 PM, GarryP said:

I did not realize that your were a foreign woman married to a Thai man. Sorry. The process is much simpler than if you are a foreign man married to a Thai woman (my case). This is because you are applying as if you were the property of your husband. Sounds awful I know, but that is the way it is. I believe they also refer to the way you obtain citizenship differently too.      

 

As a woman married to a Thai you apply under Section 9 of the Act, rather than Section 10,. and the process is referred to as, "applying to adopt the citizenship of a Thai husband" (my translation), rather than naturalisation.   This a hangover from the days when most countries, including the enlightened UK and USA, as well as Thailand automatically cancelled the citizenship of women (but not men) who married aliens.  Therefore it was important to have an expedited system for processing citizenship applications of alien women married to your nationals, so as to avoid rendering them stateless.  If you are old enough to remember, you will be aware that British citizens until 1981 could marry a Thai woman (or other alien) abroad and take her to the embassy to apply for her British citizenship and passport immediately after registering the marriage.   Thailand is just very slow at amending laws to catch up with the times. 

 

I don't think a minor offence that doesn't result in a prison sentence will bar you from applying for citizenship.  However, this is not specified in the Act, which only calls for "good behaviour".  Looking from another perspective,  although not directly comparable,  revocation of acquired Thai citizenship for bad behaviour is normally only done on the order of a court, after someone has been convicted of a serious offence lilke drug smuggling, or if they have been convicted of a similar offence overseas.   Bear in mind though that in Thai legal considerations, it is always possible for different interpretations of the same law in totally similar cases.  I would advise being upfront with SB about your situation and they can advise you. 

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