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Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

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On 8/4/2016 at 11:26 AM, GarryP said:

I just updated my motorcycle registration by changing the nationality and ID number to conform with my ID card at the Land Transport Department without any problems. However, when I went to the local Revenue Department Office to update my tax payers ID card to be the same as my ID card number, they said that I could not do it and that I should continue using my current tax payer's ID. They were adamant about this. Go figure!!!!!   

So, the same in UK and most countries. Different departments, different numbers. That reduces oversight and you should be thankful

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13 hours ago, Fred31 said:

So, the same in UK and most countries. Different departments, different numbers. That reduces oversight and you should be thankful

But the daft thing about it is that I am now using my Thai ID number, not my tax ID, when filing my tax returns. I assume I now have two numbers in the system. 

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After a few weeks finally got through 317 pages.... few remaining questions if anyone can help.....

 

1) Does anyone have any experience in how calculations for the salary is determined, in the case of a recent increase.

Seen that current or past year are different options, with different levels, but whats criteria for current.

To clarify, have been above minimum for enough years, just increased salary to equivalent for max this month. Pro rata annual at end of this year /12 should be max, but half year pro rata when I may apply wont be.

Key question: How do they calculate current salary? How long should I wait to apply?

 

2) Yellow book - I am in chonburi but think have an option in BKK planning to use. 

Am I best to apply for yellow book first in Chonburi where I have house/wife/kids and then transfer after issued? Or apply first yellow book in Bkk?

 

3) Any issue in change of yellow book location mid application?

Can I register BKK to apply through main special branch, then move yellow book mid process while waiting on MOI?

 

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7 hours ago, innerspace said:

After a few weeks finally got through 317 pages.... few remaining questions if anyone can help.....

 

1) Does anyone have any experience in how calculations for the salary is determined, in the case of a recent increase.

Seen that current or past year are different options, with different levels, but whats criteria for current.

To clarify, have been above minimum for enough years, just increased salary to equivalent for max this month. Pro rata annual at end of this year /12 should be max, but half year pro rata when I may apply wont be.

Key question: How do they calculate current salary? How long should I wait to apply?

 

2) Yellow book - I am in chonburi but think have an option in BKK planning to use. 

Am I best to apply for yellow book first in Chonburi where I have house/wife/kids and then transfer after issued? Or apply first yellow book in Bkk?

 

3) Any issue in change of yellow book location mid application?

Can I register BKK to apply through main special branch, then move yellow book mid process while waiting on MOI?

 

1. The last 3 years of. tax returns need to be over the minimum and the points are based on the 3rd year/12

 

2. Pattaya and Banglamung yellow books are very easy to aquire and transfer is also easy but they may questions it if you move right away. 

 

3. When you move your book to bkk you can apply at SB. You could probably move the book back to Chonburi. I personally left my book in bkk and will keep it there until the process is finished. No reason to move it back. 

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On 4/29/2019 at 4:12 PM, Neeranam said:

Has anyone used the Thai name when getting citizenship?

 

Would it affect me getting a new British passport?

 

You will not be able to get a British passport in your current name if you have any other passport in a different name; the UK application form requires you disclose any other passports and provide copies. 

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1 hour ago, BKKBike09 said:

You will not be able to get a British passport in your current name if you have any other passport in a different name; the UK application form requires you disclose any other passports and provide copies. 

Thanks, I thought so.  However, this might not be a problem. I could apply for a passport just before getting my Thai one, giving me 10 years.

Also, I could enter the UK with an expired British passport.

 

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23 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Also, I could enter the UK with an expired British passport.

 

That would be a potential minefield. Automated entry into UK would be unlikely to work, so you'd have to go to a manned channel. An IO would ask you how you were able to board in first place with an expired passport. If you were asked by the IO to show your boarding pass, which would be in your Thai name, you'd have, at best, a lot of explaining to do. 

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On 5/3/2019 at 11:08 AM, BKKBike09 said:

You will not be able to get a British passport in your current name if you have any other passport in a different name; the UK application form requires you disclose any other passports and provide copies. 

I understand why they want to see other passports, but is it really the case that they won't issue one if you're using another name? Thais change their names frequently. 

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5 hours ago, dbrenn said:

Thais change their names frequently. 

I know and wonder if there is a limit to how often you can change your name.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I know and wonder if there is a limit to how often you can change your name.

 

 

I don't think there is, because your citizen ID number never changes, and is what the Thai government uses to identify you. 

 

You can change your name as often as you like, as Thais do for superstitious reasons, but you can't change your citizen ID number. 

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10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I know and wonder if there is a limit to how often you can change your name.

 

 

I don't think there is, because your citizen ID number never changes, and is what the Thai government uses to identify you. 

 

You can change your name as often as you like, as Thais do for superstitious reasons, but you can't change your citizen ID number. 

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3 hours ago, dbrenn said:

I don't think there is, because your citizen ID number never changes, and is what the Thai government uses to identify you. 

 

You can change your name as often as you like, as Thais do for superstitious reasons, but you can't change your citizen ID number. 

Right, so you could change it back to your original name for passport process every 10 years.

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I've been Thai for over 1.5 years now & kept my original name as it had served me well for the last 40 odd years. I changed my tax code to my Thai ID. This caused some questions & a bit of a delay this year. Interestingly a labour court judge ruled in my favour the other day & insisted on referring to me as a foreigner in the cout documents despite seeing my Thai ID. He wouldn't accept my wife's explanation of the naturalisation qualifications & procedure but admitted he didn't want to argue with the MOI. As he ruled in my favour I didn't want to rock the boat 😁

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13 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Right, so you could change it back to your original name for passport process every 10 years.

I'm not sure whether that's possible - there may be guidelines around choosing names that sound Thai, and are not foreign, preventing a switch back to your original name. I recall that SB told me this when I asked them, although they didn't sound very sure, so I was wondering whether anyone here had done it, or knew of anyone who has.

 

The question remains: does the British government forbid having a second name in a foreign passport, going so far as to refuse to issue a passport if this is the case, or is this only something that they must be notified of? This document would appear to suggest that they can endorse a passport with "This person is also known as", but also states that only one name be used for all official purposes....

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/548220/Annex_A_passports_August_2016.pdf

 

All in all, it's probably better to keep your original name.

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