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4 hours ago, GarryP said:

Me neither. I would have butchered the anthems and been banned from entering Thailand for life. I am absolutely tone deaf and cannot sing to save my life. Luckily, I had just enough points to squeeze through without singing. 

😄😄😄 My general pronounciation is good but i am also bad on the tones. But i think that they are more interested in the intent. If you make a try, Thais (includes you too, as you are now a Thai citizen!) are generally very accomodative and willing to help you.

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11 hours ago, david143 said:

for it took 1 month after i start process document, NIA called to my wife and asked us to come for interview.
After interview of NIA in April 2018.
10 August 2018 , SB send me message through line that we forward your Document to MOI ---> Then
on 14 December 2019 , i personally received a call from MOI staff , that i have to attend my final interview on 17 December 2019 Please come sharp 8 o'clock with family.
Now next step is Oath-----> RG
 

thts the procedure i have done **** others may vary*** for Timing

Hello David, i have a few questions for you 1) At what stage do you get to know about your points and who tells you that? Do they give you some document or just tell you the points?   2) What about the 2 witnesses who vouch for you? Do they ever have to attend any interview?  3) Any reason why the SB took 4 months after the NIA interview to send your documents to MOI? I am asking because my case handler hinted that it can be expedited for a hefty fee.

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1 minute ago, saakura said:

Hello David, i have a few questions for you 1) At what stage do you get to know about your points and who tells you that? Do they give you some document or just tell you the points?   2) What about the 2 witnesses who vouch for you? Do they ever have to attend any interview?  3) Any reason why the SB took 4 months after the NIA interview to send your documents to MOI? I am asking because my case handler hinted that it can be expedited for a hefty fee.

1) SB just told me that I had enough points. They did not give me any document confirming this. 2) My witnesses did not attend any interview. 3) I'll leave this to David.   

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2 minutes ago, saakura said:

😀 What is the deal about free drinks, where does a Thai citizen get free drinks? Are you in a bar posting this? 🤨

I think he means people will congratulate you and buy you a drink. Weird. And his gone native comment???? 

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55 minutes ago, saakura said:

Hello David, i have a few questions for you 1) At what stage do you get to know about your points and who tells you that? Do they give you some document or just tell you the points?   2) What about the 2 witnesses who vouch for you? Do they ever have to attend any interview?  3) Any reason why the SB took 4 months after the NIA interview to send your documents to MOI? I am asking because my case handler hinted that it can be expedited for a hefty fee.

1) In my case, they never told me exactly how many points I had during the interview with SB.  They did however announce how many points I had as I was entering the room for my MOI interview.  If SB accepts your application, then you have at least 50 points even if they don’t tell you the exact number.  

 

2) My witnesses came on the day when I paid my 5000 baht fee and got my fingerprints taken.  From what others have said it is possible that it could also happen at different times. Your officer will inform you when you should bring them.

 

3) My application was not sent to MOI until over 8 months after my interview with NIA and almost 1 year after the interview at SB, I did not pay any fee to expedite.  I have talked with others that were required to pay a fee to have their applications sent onward.  I don’t know why individuals are sometimes asked to pay a fee, but the general consensus in the forum is that you should never pay a fee like this to a lawyer, handler, otherwise.  If you have connections, the process goes much faster, otherwise expect to wait 3-4 years until you have an ID card in hand.

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On 5/22/2020 at 7:43 PM, onthemoon said:

Of course they can link the two passports.

1.) Thai government is upgrading there computer system, so either now or in the near future, immigration will know that the person with the foreign passport has been naturalised but did not come to cancel their visa. What they do with that, I cannot say, but why risk it?

2.) With the biometric system at the airport, they will for sure know that there is a visa with an overstay in the computer for your person, even if you present the Thai passport. This will result in delays and maybe you'll miss your flight, so why risk it?

Indeed, not worth the risk. 

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1 hour ago, khongaeng said:

1) In my case, they never told me exactly how many points I had during the interview with SB.  They did however announce how many points I had as I was entering the room for my MOI interview.  If SB accepts your application, then you have at least 50 points even if they don’t tell you the exact number.  

 

2) My witnesses came on the day when I paid my 5000 baht fee and got my fingerprints taken.  From what others have said it is possible that it could also happen at different times. Your officer will inform you when you should bring them.

 

3) My application was not sent to MOI until over 8 months after my interview with NIA and almost 1 year after the interview at SB, I did not pay any fee to expedite.  I have talked with others that were required to pay a fee to have their applications sent onward.  I don’t know why individuals are sometimes asked to pay a fee, but the general consensus in the forum is that you should never pay a fee like this to a lawyer, handler, otherwise.  If you have connections, the process goes much faster, otherwise expect to wait 3-4 years until you have an ID card in hand.

Thank you for taking the time to give a very informative reply.

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On 5/22/2020 at 6:06 PM, saakura said:

Thank you for the good information. I am eligible both by way of PR and marriage to a Thai national, but was advised to take the marriage route. Will report back next about how it went. As it is scorching hot in Bangkok now, plan to go in smart casual attire and a good pair of shoes, no tie.

 

So you are saying that after these 2 interviews with SB & NIA, it will take several years before being interviewed by the big MOI committee? That is a mighty disappointment and a risk since i may retire just short of 4 years from now.

I took a tie in my pocket and put it on to see the head man upstairs. His questioning was more serious than downstairs at first and he seemed to give me the worst case scenario. 

He questioned my getting full marks in the Thai test, but it was actually very easy. 

 

The interview is straightforward at SB, as is the NIA and MoI. Only one interviewer at NIA, we talked for 30 minutes about gardening and the Hindu influence in Buddhism. I suggest you steer the conversion towards an interesting topic that you like. Also, the policeman who let's you into the Palace grounds is married to one interviewer. 

 

4 years should be more than enough time. 

I had my SB interview Dec 17, the NIA Jan 18, and MoI Sep 19.

 

I think you don't need to show your WP after NIA. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, saakura said:

Hello David, i have a few questions for you 1) At what stage do you get to know about your points and who tells you that? Do they give you some document or just tell you the points?   2) What about the 2 witnesses who vouch for you? Do they ever have to attend any interview?  3) Any reason why the SB took 4 months after the NIA interview to send your documents to MOI? I am asking because my case handler hinted that it can be expedited for a hefty fee.

I was told my points as they were only 48.

They said I'd get more if I sang the songs. 

However, I forgot about my PostGrad diploma and I got the extra points, educational qualifications don't need to be translated normally. I heard the MoI say 53.

The witnesses were at no interview with me. 

SB called me in April 18, asking me to contact another applicant who was having a problem with the British embassy letter of intent. They stopped giving it for a few months. The SB officer said my application had been sent in March, 2 months after NI A. Don't believe anyone who days there is a fee. 

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2 hours ago, saakura said:

 1) At what stage do you get to know about your points and who tells you that? Do they give you some document or just tell you the points?

I guess SB would not proceed with the application of someone who has less than the minimum points required (50), so part of their job is to calculate this formally and they will normally tell you about your score. IMO every applicant should try to estimate points he can secure from the point categories (that were already explained several times in this forum) before reaching to SB, this is an important step because in some cases you could need to make adjustments to meet the minimum (such as: increasing you PR time to qualify for points, improving for the language test, planning to do the singing at SB, waiting to be in a different age range, getting a salary increase...) but in another case you would see you're already far above the minimum and have no reason to be stressed on that matter.

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8 hours ago, saakura said:

Thank you for taking the time to give a very informative reply.

fwiw you can be sure they are not sending you upstairs for your 2nd interview without enough points. My sb officer estimated my points before my upstairs interview but the head officer upstairs cut some 😁😁

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3 hours ago, yankee99 said:

fwiw you can be sure they are not sending you upstairs for your 2nd interview without enough points. My sb officer estimated my points before my upstairs interview but the head officer upstairs cut some 😁😁

I don't know about now, but when I applied that officer could award up to 5 points based on his interview with you. Personality/character points. He told me he would give me 5. 

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15 minutes ago, GarryP said:

I don't know about now, but when I applied that officer could award up to 5 points based on his interview with you. Personality/character points. He told me he would give me 5. 

Correct i got them because i let my wife do all the talking! (she a lot nicer). Really the only points that were a issue was for my yellow book. My SB contact wasnt familiar with these points he thought it was only for PR.  My wife persuaded him to ask and i received them. 

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3 hours ago, yankee99 said:

Correct i got them because i let my wife do all the talking! (she a lot nicer). Really the only points that were a issue was for my yellow book. My SB contact wasnt familiar with these points he thought it was only for PR.  My wife persuaded him to ask and i received them. 

So you got points for residency based on yellow book?

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18 hours ago, saakura said:

Hello David, i have a few questions for you 1) At what stage do you get to know about your points and who tells you that? Do they give you some document or just tell you the points?   2) What about the 2 witnesses who vouch for you? Do they ever have to attend any interview?  3) Any reason why the SB took 4 months after the NIA interview to send your documents to MOI? I am asking because my case handler hinted that it can be expedited for a hefty fee.

In my case:

 

1. No idea how many points I have but have assumed it's more than 50 given my application is moving along.

2. Witnesses came on the day I formally filed the application and paid the fee. No role since then. (Make sure to keep the receipt; good idea to laminate it to keep it safe as that is your proof of application).

3. My NIA interview was early June 2018. My file was sent to MOI early Dec 2018. My SB case officer showed me the covering letter and told me to take a picture of it (long list of applicants including me) so that I could reference it when following up with MOI. Never any hints of a fee to expedite sending to MOI.

 

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