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Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

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"Good luck to this person for obtaining a Thai citizenship.."

and obtaining a passport enabling him/her to travel nowhere without big visa hassles.

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"Good luck to this person for obtaining a Thai citizenship.."

and obtaining a passport enabling him/her to travel nowhere without big visa hassles.

Guess you missed that the OP KEEPS his/her original passport ..... and nationality .... AND now can add SEA travel with no Visa ....

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I don't see anything humiliating about the process you went through.

What, you don't think it's humiliating to sing the Thai national anthem in front of 40 people? I'd find that incredibly embarrassing.

Ummm singing the National Anthem once? when naturalized? nah I sing well enough for that! embarassing? not the same as humiliating!

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Hi All,

For those who are interested, the application process for Thai

Citizenship in my case went as follows:

Late 2003 - Picked up the checklist from the Police Headquarters on

Rama 1 Road

January 2004 - Took all my documents to the Police Department, in what

I thought was a word perfect application. However, since I was

applying in January and this being a new tax year, my tax returns from

the three preceding years were not enough. An oversight on my part, so

waited until I got my most recent tax retirn PNG 91 for 2003

March 2004 - Try again. This time my application was successfully

lodged. Paid the 5,000 Baht fee. Got fingeprinted. Signed my name (in

Thai) on dozens of firms. Took two Thai witnesses and later my wife

plus kids to show that they were real. Took forms issued to me by the

police department to immigration and my disctrict office. Later went

back to pick up the completed forms and take them back to the police

department

April 2004 - Thai language interview at the Police Department

September 2004 - Invited to the Interior Ministry. Showed them my work

permit, passport, alien registration certificate and certificate of

residence. Then, I was shown into a room with around 40 people

watching me. I was given a microphone and asked to sing the Thai

National anthem and Phra Baramee (the one they play in the cinema).

Yes, really. Managed to keep a straight face. Got interviewed in Thai

- basic Q&A about my circumstances. Around the same time, a group of

three officials from the Interrior Ministry visited my house to see if

my domestic circumstances were as described on my application form

Waited

Waited

February 2006 - Got the good news that the then Interior Minister Khun

Kongsak had approved my application

March 2006 - Got a letter to notify me of the above

Waited

(September 2006 - military coup)

Waited

November 2006 - Got the good news that the King had countersigned my

application

December 2006 - One of the most memorable parts: the oath. Just

after the King endorsed my application, I was asked to report to the

police department in business attire, armed with a candle, a lotus

flower and an incense stick. I then had to stand with these in my

hands while clasped in a wai, in front of a Buddhist shrine, repaeting

an oath of allegance to King and country, and promising to be an

upright and law-abiding citizen.

Waited

Waited

April 2007 - Got the good news that the new Interior Minister Khun

Aree had announced in the Interior Ministry notices that a bunch of

applicants including me could now get Thai nationality

May 2007 - Got the paperwork and certificate from the Police HQ to

take to the disctrict office to get my ID card. Now I must return my

work permit, alien residence certificate and certificate of residence

to respective authorities as these are no longer needed. Now I can

apply for a passport

Told that my application was one of the faster ones these days.

Getting Thai Citizenship IS a pain in the arse - but look on the

bright side:

1) Now I can own what I buy, land, house, etc

2) No need for a work permit, and no restricted occupations. I can now

drive a Tuk Tuk for a living if the going gets tough in the IT

industry

3) Now I can get in free to the Grand Palace and pay the Thai rate for

national parks

4) I can own a business

5) I can get a Thai passport and visit countries like Laos and Vietnam

visa free

6) No need for that expensive old yearly Resident Return visa. No

limit to the amount of time that I spend out of Thailand without

losing my residency

7) I can use the Thai passport lane at the airport (shorter queues)

8) In my case, no need to give up my old nationality

9) I have a new Thai identity, forename and surname. Good for

travelling to places that dislike my country of origin

10) I think that I can even vote, although I am not sure who is worth

voting for

All you need to do is satisfy the following to apply:

http://phuketgazette.com/issuesanswers/details.asp?id=759

Golden rules are:

1) Be patient and never get upset. The people that handle your

application do not make the rules and do not have any power over what

happens in the Interior Ministry

2) Get a coach. Not an expensive lawyer - just make friends with one

of the officials that handles your application

Cheers

hello again

it s Tom Young Imeant to give you my email adress, on my last message to you, if you wouldn't mind could you email me as i am still learning the thai visa sytem...my email is <<email deleted>>

thanks

sincerley

Tom Young

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"Good luck to this person for obtaining a Thai citizenship.."

and obtaining a passport enabling him/her to travel nowhere without big visa hassles.

Guess you missed that the OP KEEPS his/her original passport ..... and nationality .... AND now can add SEA travel with no Visa ....

not all countries allow dual citizenship. my country doesn't. so even a thai passport presented to me on a silver platter would be of zero interest for me.

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Apologies if I've misunderstood, but from the OP's comments, it would seem that he/she is a women? And it seems that female applicants for citizenship have it a lot easier than male applicants.

Simon

''OP is a bloke. He mentions he bought along his wife during the application process.

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"Good luck to this person for obtaining a Thai citizenship.."

and obtaining a passport enabling him/her to travel nowhere without big visa hassles.

Guess you missed that the OP KEEPS his/her original passport ..... and nationality .... AND now can add SEA travel with no Visa ....

not all countries allow dual citizenship. my country doesn't. so even a thai passport presented to me on a silver platter would be of zero interest for me.

Guess you weren't actually responding to the post then :o

It'd work for me! I have no problems carrying a second poassport :D but since the OP can go everywhere he did before and now adds even a few more places that have even fewer hassles than only having his first passport ... :D I guess it works for some!

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Congratulations to the OP!

Does anyone know what the rules are for British nationals? Are we allowed to hold British and Thai passports at the same time?

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yes - and it may be useful in the future should you wish to drop your UK citizenship

Congratulations to the OP!

Does anyone know what the rules are for British nationals? Are we allowed to hold British and Thai passports at the same time?

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to the OP or to anyone who knows the right answer,

I have questions with the following requirements in the Thai citizenship procedure:

"If working in Thailand, he or she must have an income of at least 80,000 baht a month or have paid taxes in the year the citizenship application is made of 100,000 baht or more." --- What if not working in Thailand but remitting income from other country where I'm working from? Can I pay tax even not working in Thailand?

"He or she must have lived in Thailand contunously for at least five years before applying." --- This does not mention any residency permit. Will I be considered to have lived continously in Thailand with only Non-B (spouse) visa for the last five years?

Thanks...

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to the OP or to anyone who knows the right answer,

I have questions with the following requirements in the Thai citizenship procedure:

"If working in Thailand, he or she must have an income of at least 80,000 baht a month or have paid taxes in the year the citizenship application is made of 100,000 baht or more." --- What if not working in Thailand but remitting income from other country where I'm working from? Can I pay tax even not working in Thailand?

Apart from taxes paid for the tree years preceding your application, you also must have a valid work permit both at the time you apply and when you are invited to the Interior Ministry, so you may have problems in this area.

"He or she must have lived in Thailand contunously for at least five years before applying." --- This does not mention any residency permit. Will I be considered to have lived continously in Thailand with only Non-B (spouse) visa for the last five years?

Thanks...

When I applied, applicants must have held PR for 5 years preceding the application. Temporary visas don't count for the 5 year minimum residence requirement.

No recognistion is given for taxes paid abroad. You have to be living aand working here - paying Thai taxes and the evidence must only be Thai Por Ngor Dor 91 tax return forms.

You have to get PR and hold it for at least 5 years before applying for citizenship. Incidentally, in answer to some of the other questions, yes there is a short reading test, your Thai language should be at least to a good conversational level (you are interviewed alone at both the Police Department and the Interior Ministry) and you need to have a clean criminal record.

Edited by camerata
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to the OP or to anyone who knows the right answer,

I have questions with the following requirements in the Thai citizenship procedure:

"If working in Thailand, he or she must have an income of at least 80,000 baht a month or have paid taxes in the year the citizenship application is made of 100,000 baht or more." --- What if not working in Thailand but remitting income from other country where I'm working from? Can I pay tax even not working in Thailand?

"He or she must have lived in Thailand contunously for at least five years before applying." --- This does not mention any residency permit. Will I be considered to have lived continously in Thailand with only Non-B (spouse) visa for the last five years?

Thanks...

thai_narak:

where you got that from?

can you post the link with the whole content?

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September 2004 - Invited to the Interior Ministry. Showed them my work

permit, passport, alien registration certificate and certificate of

residence. Then, I was shown into a room with around 40 people

watching me. I was given a microphone and asked to sing the Thai

National anthem and Phra Baramee (the one they play in the cinema).

What? Nobody told you about the shortcut? If at this stage you'd said, "I am shy," they would've replied, "Oh, you're already Thai" and you would've saved 2 1/2 years on the application.

:o good one :D

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