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dbrenn

Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

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As someone who has just gotten PR, I am interested in the next step as soon as possible.

A quick question about timings. I have seen conflicting reports about when I am allowed to apply for citizenship. I have lived here for 14 years, paid lots of tax for more than 10 consecutive years, but have only just gotten PR. Do I have to wait 5 years more before applying? or can I try straight away?

I am male, 39, with a son.

In the past you could appeal the normal waiting period to the Minister of Interior if you felt there was a case why should be considered early. Is that still an option? Also, is it worth having "influential" people be the two sponsors/witnesses for your application?

Thanks for any insight on this...

Five years as a PR, with three years of tax returns prior to applications. See my conversation with the Special Branch last year here.

Influential is always good I think, except when they are the political enemy of the police commissioner and the interior minster...you have to be careful here :o

My suggestion is to go with a 'respected' person, ie someone who may not be influential but is seen as a solid Thai citizen...eg lawyer, teacher. High up the chain, but not too high.

I'm thinking of applying for my wife, and have considered getting someone quite influential to sponsor the application. As the lady told me though, that influential person must be interviewed as part of the process, and many influential people, while happy to lend their names to things, don't always have the time to be at the beck and call of the police and the ministry of interior.

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September 2004Then, I was shown into a room with around 40 people

watching me. I was given a microphone and asked to sing the Thai

National anthem and Phra Baramee (the one they play in the cinema).

Yes, really.

I think they were having fun with you. If they wanted to find out how well you speak Thai, all they had to do was do a one on one interview.

The fact that they gave you a microphone and had you sing in front of 40 people was a typical good humored Thai way. I remember going through that when i first arrived in Thailand many years ago. You'll always smile when you look back at that.

singing the National Anthem IS a requirement .

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While I think it's admirable to have successfully navigated the citizenship process I find it curious why the OP is being coy about answering certain questions:

1.How long have you lived here?

2.How long did you hold a PR?

And a couple of questions that haven't been asked yet:

1. What nationality are you?

2. What above the minimum requirements seemed expedite application?

3. During the waiting process did you continue to maintain a WP?

Enquiring mind would like to know? :o

Or are we just whistling "Dixie"? :D

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OP comes from a country which allows dual citizenship with Thailand.

But I imagine that most TV members come from countries that do not allow this.

So the question for OP is this: Would you have relinquished your original citizenship to get the Thai?

Otherwise, in his position, what OP did is just common sense.

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I was told :

If number start with #3 means Thai by birth

If number start with #5 means for those born in the hilltribes and registered in Thai hospital for birth cert.

If number start with #8 means for those transfer of citizenship. So far, I only seen transfer of citizenship for those long term hilltribe immigrants.

Can you please tell us what is your the first number on your Thai ID card?

I've got a 5 at the beginning of my Thai ID number. And yes, I'm an overseas born Thai national.

My Daughter, born here while not having an ID card yet (she is only a baby), the first number of her ID is a '1'. This may or may not change when she grows up ang gets her ID card.

Hi Txs Samran for the reply.

It is interesting to know all the different 'classification' of the Thai ID numbers.

I am lucky to see one id card starting with the digit #1 today !

With yours. it makes 2 person I know having #1 as the first digit.

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great thread!

8000+++ views ... guess the nay-sayers in the first page or two might have been dead wrong!

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I'm still curious as to the nationality of the OP? How long he lived here? How long he had a PR?

And if he maintained his WP throughout the waiting process?

These seem like fair questions to ask and would hardly detract from the accomplishment of the OP.

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OP comes from a country which allows dual citizenship with Thailand.

But I imagine that most TV members come from countries that do not allow this.

So the question for OP is this: Would you have relinquished your original citizenship to get the Thai?

Otherwise, in his position, what OP did is just common sense.

The UK, Australia, USA, Germany, Switzerland...(the list goes on) all allow dual citizenship.

I quite sure most TV members come from countries which do allow dual citizenship.

In fact it seems most countries allow for dual citizenship. link

Norway seems to be one of the exceptions.

Are most members here from Norway?

Edited by borracho

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OP comes from a country which allows dual citizenship with Thailand.

But I imagine that most TV members come from countries that do not allow this.

So the question for OP is this: Would you have relinquished your original citizenship to get the Thai?

Otherwise, in his position, what OP did is just common sense.

The UK, Australia, USA, Germany, Switzerland...(the list goes on) all allow dual citizenship.

I quite sure most TV members come from countries which do allow dual citizenship.

In fact it seems most countries allow for dual citizenship. link

Norway seems to be one of the exceptions.

Are most members here from Norway?

Hi there,

Interesting document on citizenship rules - thanks for the link. To my knowledge, most western countries allow plural citizenship, Australia recently started allowing it. I have american friends that tell me that they are not able to apply for Thai citizenship while keeping their US citizenship, seemingly in contradiction to the document that you provided the link for. Are they mistaken, or could this be because acquisition of Thai citizenship entails an oath of allegiance to Thailand (see page 10 of your document)?

In answer to your earlier question, I had held PR for longer than the minimum 5 years. I maintained a WP throughout my application process, simply because I was working here anyway, but my WP was only checked twice - during my initial application and at the Interior Ministry when I went to sing the national anthem. I did not have to show any documentation after this Interior Ministry visit until the final step at the Ampher to get my ID card. Although my home Ampher asked for a copy of my WP, this was not actually a requirement as the second (more competent) Ampher that finally processed my ID card did not ask for copies of my WP. Theoretically at least, I could therefore have stopped working in September 2004 after the Interior Ministry check. But, things can and do change anytime....

I'm afraid that there is no easy answer to your question on what in practice would be minimum acceptance criteria. The process does seem rather discretionary, and depends largely how much they like you as a package.

Cheers

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I have american friends that tell me that they are not able to apply for Thai citizenship while keeping their US citizenship

They are wrong (at least the last time I checked several years ago). US considers an oath to be a non voluntary requirement rather than a free expression of your desire and will not remove citizenship unless you specifically request it in a specified manner.

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I have american friends that tell me that they are not able to apply for Thai citizenship while keeping their US citizenship

They are wrong (at least the last time I checked several years ago). US considers an oath to be a non voluntary requirement rather than a free expression of your desire and will not remove citizenship unless you specifically request it in a specified manner.

It is still not true that Americans cannot have dual. I checked with the US embassy last year and was told the same thing as lopburi. The only way to remove your citizenship is to go to the embassy and specifically renounce it. And even then, if you wanted it back later, it would be possible to change your mind.

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For me, I would gladly pay 1 million baht if I could skip all the hassles and time involved and just "buy" my citizenship. Three years is a long time; of course a lot of this time you were just waiting and not actively doing anything.

I was offered that a Thai passport could be obtained and put onto the system for 650k baht about 18 months ago.. The offer was also stated that I would have to work on my Thai a lot tho as not having better Thai skills would raise alarms as to how the passport was gained.

I have heard that another farang I know 'bought' his PR by simply bringing in 40mil baht for deposit for x amount of time.. Some special invester clause.. He got it immediately and doesnt speak one word of Thai..

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The concept of acquiring Thai citizenship is an interesting one.

It's probably fun to learn to sing the national anthem.

Is there a quota system involved like for the PR?

How many foreigners are granted thai citizenship every year? Is there a list published?

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Unlike PR, there are no quotas set for citizenship. As of April 2007, out of the 400 or so applications currently waiting for approval (of which the OP was one), only a handful are from Westerners. The majority of applicants are from China, Taiwan, and India.

Anyone who tells you Thai citizenship can be bought is misinformed. Also, an investment into Thailand does not qualify one for Thai citizenship.

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Unlike PR, there are no quotas set for citizenship. As of April 2007, out of the 400 or so applications currently waiting for approval (of which the OP was one), only a handful are from Westerners. The majority of applicants are from China, Taiwan, and India.

Anyone who tells you Thai citizenship can be bought is misinformed. Also, an investment into Thailand does not qualify one for Thai citizenship.

ha ha ha.. Yeah sure, nothing in Thailand thats involved with beaurocracy ever gets greased through !! Tell that to the longer term guys wandering round with Thai passports.. Anyway that was the price I was offered.. For me I dont see 650k value in it..

The person who invested 40m got instant PR as I understand it.. Thats back about 7 years tho.

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