Thailand reports daily record 967 new coronavirus infections

[bradiston]

16 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

Astra Zeneca vaccine is largely ineffective against the new strains, figures vary from 10% to 21%  ????

Source?

[trainman34014]

1 hour ago, AlfHuy said:

Soon restaurants and massage shops closed again,  IMO

All Massage shops around our way are already closed.

[tomazbodner]

20 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

Astra Zeneca vaccine is largely ineffective against the new strains, figures vary from 10% to 21%  ????

I remember that for South African strain, which is why SA gave away 1 million AZ doses and switched to Johnson&Johnson... Didn't see the UK strain (which Cambodia strain is similar to) figures though... Could not be that bad, could it?

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, DLock said:

Imagine if the hospitals had enough tests and beds and were not turning away people...we would have the real number...

 

Imagine if we had enough skilled people to do track and trace on these 967 new cases, let alone the thousands over the last week...we would have the real number.

 

The system is now completely overwhelmed. They really have no choice but to enforce a lockdown...

 

It would be interesting to see some info. and data on when are test supplies arriving. And an explanation of why they have been allowed to get to almost finished. 

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, Naguu said:

I can already hear music from thousands of wats that invites people to celebrate.  This is not going to end well. 

 If you can't beat 'em dance with 'em!

[FarFlungFalang]

8 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

I remember that for South African strain, which is why SA gave away 1 million AZ doses and switched to Johnson&Johnson... Didn't see the UK strain (which Cambodia strain is similar to) figures though... Could not be that bad, could it?

I've heard it mentioned (ABC insiders) that the Jensen jab is experiencing similar problems. 

[RichardColeman]

2 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thailand on Sunday reported 967 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one day jump, as the country deals with a third wave of infections.

Just imagine how bad it would have been if they had not stopped testing due to hospital beds !

[wensiensheng]

It’s strange. Previously these sort of numbers induced immediate lockdowns as a response. And to be fair, they worked in terms of reducing cases to a trickle.

 

but this time there seems to be a very tepid response. Closing bars and clubs? Ok as far as it goes, but people previously at those places and exposed to Covid are now out and about. So closing the bars doesn’t actually do much in terms of current infections.

 

perhaps there is an ardent desire to have as normal a  songkran as possible and THEN bring in lockdowns. The trouble is, as has been shown time and again, 10 days delay in a lockdown just means it has to be more severe and for longer when eventually introduced.

 

such a shame when so much has been sacrificed already and the vaccine solution is literally around the corner.

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, AlfHuy said:

Soon restaurants and massage shops closed again,  IMO

Not worried about those much but closing schools will be a big blow to my teenage daughter

[John Drake]

3 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

It’s strange. Previously these sort of numbers induced immediate lockdowns as a response.

 

It's not strange. This time, the people that count have been vaccinated.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

33 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

So many <deleted> idiots talking rubbish. AZ is totally effective against UK strain and is the reason our cases are dropping so quickly

 

This is a chart the MoPH released the other day on the various vaccines and their effectiveness against various strains.

 

The chart, of course, doesn't say anything about a Cambodia strain. But presumably it bears some resemblance to the recognized UK strain.

 

PS - It's worth noting that almost all of the vaccines being administered in Thailand thus far and in the coming couple months are likely to be the Sinovac variety at the bottom of this chart.  The Thai government just got a new shipment of 1 million Sinovac doses yesterday that will soon begin to be distributed.

 

 

Thus far, Thailand has only approved 3 vaccines for domestic use -- Sinovac, AstraZeneca and J&J (the latter for which there has been no known imports into Thailand thus far).

 

[Ralf001]

Thailand the hub of ..................................

[John Drake]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The Thai government just got a new shipment of 1 million Sinovac doses yesterday that will soon begin to be distributed.

 

Is this the shipment that a month or so ago the Chinese were saying was conditional, and required that Chinese be given priority for vaccination?

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

It's not strange. This time, the people that count have been vaccinated.

And in a self imposed quarantine so that they don't accidently get infected by one of the Songkran travelers who is out spreading the virus and having Sanook.  You can not even began to equate their actions on a personal level with their in-actions as far as running the country and lack of care shown to the lowly citizens.  I really feel sorry for the street level people.  

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I've heard it mentioned (ABC insiders) that the Jensen jab is experiencing similar problems. 

Johnson and Johnson jab looks to be displaying the same possible reactions as AZ https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/blood-clots-after-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-under-investigation/

[onthedarkside]

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[ronaldo0]

And how did this suddenly appear when everything was under control and you seemingly can’t get into the country without quarantine ? 
Unless ????????????

[wensiensheng]

The issue, right from day one, has not been the death rate, whether it is 2% or 0.5%,  the issue is the total number of people who are likely to catch the virus, due to it being novel.

 

as you point out, a death rate of 0.5% is nothing to be scared of. But, and it is a big but, 0.5% of the total population is a huge number of people.

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[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, ronaldo0 said:

And how did this suddenly appear when everything was under control and you seemingly can’t get into the country without quarantine ? 
Unless ????????????

 

They started testing more than 1% of the population.

[Antonymous]

4 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

The issue, right from day one, has not been the death rate, whether it is 2% or 0.5%,  the issue is the total number of people who are likely to catch the virus, due to it being novel.

 

as you point out, a death rate of 0.5% is nothing to be scared of. But, and it is a big but, 0.5% of the total population is a huge number of people.

 

That's not 0.5% of the population! It is 0.5% of those already infected.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Is this the shipment that a month or so ago the Chinese were saying was conditional, and required that Chinese be given priority for vaccination?

 

Dunno about the conditional part. But as I already posted above, the govt. just got a new shipment of 1 million Sinovac doses yesterday that will take some time to be checked before it gets into their distribution system.  And I believe they're expecting another 500,000 Sinovac doses in another month of so.

 

But the reality is, perhaps unfortunately, thus far, they're pinning the vast majority of their vaccine plan nationally on their own locally produced AstraZeneca vaccine that's supposed to start coming online sometime June or thereafter.

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, ronaldo0 said:

And how did this suddenly appear when everything was under control and you seemingly can’t get into the country without quarantine ? 
Unless ????????????

Unfortunately it comes down to a lack of true transparency and a lack of testing is how, and really that's all that can be said. This new variant is stronger and travels quicker infecting people faster and making people show symptoms where before who know what symptoms folks may have had.  Once they started testing the Hi-So's and ministers because of someone becoming ill and going to a hospital the true s. show started as you can now see.  Many of us have stated in the past that unless they test wide spread or en-mass you can not know the true numbers, but then many have also said why test if no one is going to the hospitals, beds are not full, and the bodies are not stacking up.  As you can see now testing does show the issue where a lack of testing is truly a lack of transparency, but I don't believe certain people really care. 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

This is a chart the MoPH released the other day on the various vaccines and their effectiveness against various strains.

 

The chart, of course, doesn't say anything about a Cambodia strain. But presumably it bears some resemblance to the recognized UK strain.

 

PS - It's worth noting that almost all of the vaccines being administered in Thailand thus far and in the coming couple months are likely to be the Sinovac variety at the bottom of this chart.  The Thai government just got a new shipment of 1 million Sinovac doses yesterday that will soon begin to be distributed.

 

 

Thus far, Thailand has only approved 3 vaccines for domestic use -- Sinovac, AstraZeneca and J&J (the latter for which there has been no known imports into Thailand thus far).

 

 

Here's a direct comparison by an expert on AstraZeneca and Sinovac on combating the UK strain. Its not looking good for Sinovac. 

 

Starts at 1:44 

 

[John Drake]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Dunno about the conditional part. But as I already posted above, the govt. just got a new shipment of 1 million Sinovac doses yesterday that will take some time to be checked before it gets into their distribution system.  And I believe they're expecting another 500,000 Sinovac doses in another month of so.

 

But the reality is, perhaps unfortunately, thus far, they're pinning the vast majority of their vaccine plan nationally on their own locally produced AstraZeneca vaccine that's supposed to start coming online sometime June or thereafter.

 

 

 

A month or so ago, as Chinese officials in Thailand were in talks with Thai officials about the next shipment of Sinovac, the Chinese said a requirement would be that Thailand set up a vaccination center for Chinese citizens and that they be given priority in the use of the vaccine. I can't find it now, but it was in a Thaivisa Thailand news article.

[sungod]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Thailand vaccinations report thru yesterday, April 10

 

Total doses, number first shot, and number second shot:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/fanmoph/posts/6049302848429353

 

It's worth noting, at least up until now, pretty much all those vaccinations have been for the government's various targeted groups, and not the general public.

 

The targeted groups include health care workers and first responders, people over 60, those with high-risk exposure, people with chronic diseases, and of course, government types.

 

AFAIK, unless something breaks loose from the private sector in the meantime, widespread public vaccination under the government's program with their own locally made AstraZeneca vaccine isn't slated to start until June or after.

 

 

Also worth noting that most of this is with sinovac, the cr@p one that the Chinese are giving away as its efficacy is just slightly over 50%.

[balo]

2 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

with deaths remaining at 97,

Sorry I just can't believe that.    I would imagine 1000's related to the virus. 

[wensiensheng]

7 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

 

That's not 0.5% of the population! It is 0.5% of those already infected.

Yes, but because it is a novel virus the entire population is at risk of becoming infected. Hence the drastic measures taken by most governments to control the virus until a vaccine is distributed.

[FarFlungFalang]

15 minutes ago, ronaldo0 said:

And how did this suddenly appear when everything was under control and you seemingly can’t get into the country without quarantine ? 
Unless ????????????

I think it's been decided the virus came from Cambodia while everyone was looking at Burma.

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[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, sungod said:

Also worth noting that most of this is with sinovac, the cr@p one that the Chinese are giving away as its efficacy is just slightly over 50%.

Talking of that, this just published:

 

CHINESE OFFICIALS SAY CHINESE VACCINES’ EFFECTIVENESS LOW

In a rare admission of the weakness of Chinese coronavirus vaccines, the country’s top disease control official says their effectiveness is low and the government is considering mixing them to give them a boost.

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/international/2021/04/11/chinese-officials-say-chinese-vaccines-effectiveness-low/