European Super League Mooted , Rejected by EPL

[champers]

1 minute ago, RickG16 said:

Just a wild stab in the dark but I'm don't think you need to nationalize football clubs to stop them doing something which is a detriment to the greater good.

 

Plenty of other ways this could play out. 

 

Man United represents more than just the interests of an American bloke. I don't think we are any more hated but as you know that's always taken as a compliment.

 

I was commenting on the irony of a chinless wonder of a Sports and Culture minister, who is no doubt clueless about football, standing up in the HOC promising to give fans control of football clubs. 

[RickG16]

Just now, champers said:

I was commenting on the irony of a chinless wonder of a Sports and Culture minister, who is no doubt clueless about football, standing up in the HOC promising to give fans control of football clubs. 

Go back and listen to it again. He didn't promise that at all. He promised a review into fans influence in football in the future 

 

But that was secondary to his first and most important point that the govt will be pursuing all legal avenues bla bla bla to stop this Super League from happening. 

 

Deary me Champers. There are enough uncertainties flying around without you making stuff up. I'd expect more from the Pride of Pattaya.

[mrbojangles]

7 hours ago, RickG16 said:

But that was secondary to his first and most important point that the govt will be pursuing all legal avenues bla bla bla to stop this Super League from happening. 

 

I would wager the lawyers of this super league had pre-empted most if not all of the moves that the FA, UEFA, FIFA and various Governments would make. Our goverments lawyers couldn't even beat Gina Miller, so don't hold out much hope for them doing anything on this

[Excel]

Don't worry chaps, this won't go far for long. "Greedy" Kerry Packer had a similar idea for his World Cricket series in the 70's and look what happened to that. 

[mrbojangles]

15 minutes ago, Excel said:

Don't worry chaps, this won't go far for long. "Greedy" Kerry Packer had a similar idea for his World Cricket series in the 70's and look what happened to that. 

 

This is a much bigger issue than that was. He never had Crickets version of Barca, RM, MU, MC, Liv etc etc behind him. Just booting out the English 6 from the PL would make the PL crumble around the world overnight. We'd be back to splitting a million quid of TV rights between, WBA, Leicester, Everton etc like in Scotland. Will Spain really kick out Barca and RM?

[RickG16]

6 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

 

This is a much bigger issue than that was. He never had Crickets version of Barca, RM, MU, MC, Liv etc etc behind him. Just booting out the English 6 from the PL would make the PL crumble around the world overnight. We'd be back to splitting a million quid of TV rights between, WBA, Leicester, Everton etc like in Scotland. Will Spain really kick out Barca and RM?

Excel is right though, there are plenty of parallels that can be drawn from that situation, including the potential that players would walk away from representing their countries.

 

But the key takeaway from the Packer cricket comparison is why Packer started WSC, what his aims were, and what the outcome was. As we know, Packer was disgruntled that Channel Nine got refused the TV contract for Australian cricket. In the end, the Australian Cricket Board was forced into a position of accepting his (very good) offer for the rights, and WSC was then wound up.

 

Why is this relevant? Because there is a very good chance the Super League clubs are doing this a bargaining chip with UEFA. They may have horribly miscalculated and it will backfire, but there is also a chance that a few months or couple of years down the line, the clubs will come back to the table with UEFA in a far stronger position and end up getting what they want (a larger piece of the pie).

[champers]

Announced on Sunday, dead in the water 2 days later. Will we all have forgotten about it this time next week?

[Excel]

15 hours ago, RickG16 said:

Excel is right though, there are plenty of parallels that can be drawn from that situation, including the potential that players would walk away from representing their countries.

 

But the key takeaway from the Packer cricket comparison is why Packer started WSC, what his aims were, and what the outcome was. As we know, Packer was disgruntled that Channel Nine got refused the TV contract for Australian cricket. In the end, the Australian Cricket Board was forced into a position of accepting his (very good) offer for the rights, and WSC was then wound up.

 

Why is this relevant? Because there is a very good chance the Super League clubs are doing this a bargaining chip with UEFA. They may have horribly miscalculated and it will backfire, but there is also a chance that a few months or couple of years down the line, the clubs will come back to the table with UEFA in a far stronger position and end up getting what they want (a larger piece of the pie).

Of course I was right and there were parallels except this time fortunately it has gone into self-destruct much quicker than I and millions of others had hoped, as it was a non starter and now the 6 English clubs has just pulled out of that American wet dream.  Suspect the Italians clubs will be the next to pull out just leaving the Spaniards to go away and play with themselves or perhaps with the JP Morgan All-Stars.

[homeseeker]

[zombie nights]

"All six Premier League teams involved in the European Super League have formally withdrawn from the competition."

 

 

European Super League: All six Premier League teams withdraw from competition - BBC Sport

 

[mrbojangles]

[wilai]

Meanwhile, UEFA's Champions League reform including additional games and more teams goes through with barely a murmur. Good timing by Ceferin.

[smokie36]

39 minutes ago, wilai said:

Meanwhile, UEFA's Champions League reform including additional games and more teams goes through with barely a murmur. Good timing by Ceferin.

 

Explain please wilai?

 

Details Details....is a new rule if you play in red the opposition get a two goal start?

[wilai]

11 minutes ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

Explain please wilai?

 

Details Details....is a new rule if you play in red the opposition get a two goal start?

I'll let them do it. See the link.

 

BTW....Wonder if they'll kick Madrid out of this year's comp? ????

 

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/0268-1213f7aa85bb-d56154ff8fe8-1000--uefa-announces-new-format-for-club-competitions-to-be-introduce/

 

 

[RickG16]

1 hour ago, wilai said:

I'll let them do it. See the link.

 

BTW....Wonder if they'll kick Madrid out of this year's comp? ????

 

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/0268-1213f7aa85bb-d56154ff8fe8-1000--uefa-announces-new-format-for-club-competitions-to-be-introduce/

 

 

As we've seen, this is the lesser of two evils. But rather than strengthen the bigger clubs position in being able to prevent further expansion, it looks like their botched heist has weakened any say and strengthened UEFA.

 

After all... UEFA can now point to the fan reaction to the Super League closed shop etc etc as support for giving more teams the chance to compete in the CL. 

[Bredbury Blue]

On 4/20/2021 at 12:11 AM, Surelynot said:

I fail to see why this has anything to do with a UK Government........ let alone a Tory one......most Tories wouldn't pißß on a football supporter if they were on fire..........

 

MPs fighting for their constituents. Because it's the national game. Etc.

 

 

[Excel]

3 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

And never one any of them that year

[Bredbury Blue]

My favourite tweets from the SL 

 

 

[Excel]

57 minutes ago, Excel said:

And never one any of them that year

realised too late to edit but should read "and never won any of them that year"

[Excel]

On 4/21/2021 at 5:50 AM, Excel said:

Of course I was right and there were parallels except this time fortunately it has gone into self-destruct much quicker than I and millions of others had hoped, as it was a non starter and now the 6 English clubs has just pulled out of that American wet dream.  Suspect the Italians clubs will be the next to pull out just leaving the Spaniards to go away and play with themselves or perhaps with the JP Morgan All-Stars.

As predicted only the the Spaniards left to play with themselves. Poetic justice.

[Silencer]

This is nothing more than fans choosing to continue to bend over for the top tier Clubs, PL, and UEFA, and not the now deposed ESL. Unfortunately, many fans probably think "they won", when that is far from the truth. More the case of agreeing to get screwed by the lover you know than getting screwed by someone else.  This was all about others people's money and their power games and they got rightfully kicked in the teeth for not getting buy-in (if that was even possible). Dream on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier divisions....opium for the masses.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Silencer said:

This is nothing more than fans choosing to continue to bend over for the top tier Clubs, PL, and UEFA, and not the now deposed ESL. Unfortunately, many fans probably think "they won", when that is far from the truth. More the case of agre yeing to get screwed by the lover you know than getting screwed by someone else.  This was all about others people's money and their power games and they got rightfully kicked in the teeth for not getting buy-in (if that was even possible). Dream on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier divisions....opium for the masses.

Que? Are you from Barcelona?

[Excel]

17 minutes ago, polpott said:

Que? Are you from Barcelona?

If not he should go there ????

[mrbojangles]

Interesting quote from Florentino Perez in an interview last night:-

 

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In another explosive and lengthy interview late on Wednesday night, in which he again failed to sell anyone on the virtue of the Super League, he blamed a sole Premier League club for the project's embarrassing failure.

 

Speaking to Spanish radio station El Larguero, as translated by Guillem Balague, Perez said: "Someone in the English group was not that interested and that was contagious, others showed fear and backed off."

 

When then asked by the presenter if that club was City, Perez declined to answer before commenting: "They were never interested.

 

 

[Kinnock]

[mrbojangles]

 

[Bredbury Blue]

Well said Silky Ilkay.

[champers]

On 4/21/2021 at 2:30 PM, Bredbury Blue said:

 

MPs fighting for their constituents. Because it's the national game. Etc.

 

 

If anyone thinks that politicians are going to remedy football's woes they are going to be sorely let down. They should stick to more important matters of real consequence: the NHS, the economy, education, that Covid thingy.

Football has enough money and ruling bodies to sort out their own mess. The fans/paying customers can hold them to account by voting with their feet and wallets.

[Bredbury Blue]

1 hour ago, champers said:

If anyone thinks that politicians are going to remedy football's woes they are going to be sorely let down. They should stick to more important matters of real consequence: the NHS, the economy, education, that Covid thingy.

Football has enough money and ruling bodies to sort out their own mess. The fans/paying customers can hold them to account by voting with their feet and wallets.

 

If the government sees a significant problem, why wouldn't they step in with legislation, an example being, no standing only seating in stadiums after Heysel and Hillsborough.

 

The more 'bodies' (Government, FA, PL, EFL, UEFA, fan groups, etc) that help the better. Start with ticket prices, which are bloody outrageous, stupid tv times, cup games in London which the northerners struggle to home from, etc. Somebody - an independent body - needs to get out there and ask the fans at different levels of the game what are footballs problems as they view them and start from there.

 

The majority of fans/paying customers can hold them to account by voting with their feet and wallets but they won't.

Look at ManU where they've hated their owners for +15 years. Some of the wore the old green and yellow scarfs, some left and started FC Manchester, but the majority remained because it is their life, their hobby, their passion, etc. I was listening to a City podcast this morning and one guy says he won't renew his season ticket for the Etihad next season but will buy one at Oldham but will continue to support City and not Oldham - 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' sprung to mind - he's not willing to see how all of this plays out at City. 

[keithsimmonds]

On 4/22/2021 at 10:41 AM, mrbojangles said:

Interesting quote from Florentino Perez in an interview last night:-

 

 

 

Isn,t there a" Holier-than-thou" thread you could post that on.

Just except the fact that they like the other five (mine included)intended to jump ship...no morale winners or losers in that group.