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Vaccinating with British AstraZeneca (produced in India) is the main reason for all of the problems. This vaccine only prevents severe symptoms. It does not stop the spread of the disease. When they

I beg to differ.   There is a first conclusion, hard as a diamond : those who believe that "God Vaccine Will Save Us from Covid" are... slightly delusional. 😉   Furthermore, Pfizer

World’s Most-Vaccinated Nation Activates Curbs as Cases Rise   https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-04/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-reintroduces-curbs-as-cases-surge  

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Seychelles: 

incidence extremely high, over 500 new cases per week per 100000 inhabitants. That may be world's highest. No signs of getting better.

 

World's highest vaccination rate. Vaccination 60% Sinopharm (not Sinovac), 40% AZ. Sinopharm is from the Chinese government and has a better reputation than private Sinovac. Similar kind of vaccine.

 

Very worrying.

 

 

Chile: 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801

Very high vaccination rate, in the 30s/40s, but way not enough for herd immunity. Almost exclusively Sinovac.

Too early loosening of restrictions.

High incidence, 100-200, that's considered normal in Europe. The last couple of days going down.

Worrying, sure.

 

Uruguay:

Late start of vaccination (March),  but fast progress (in the 20s).

Mostly Sinovac, in the beginning only Sinovac.

Had the highest incidence (>700) in the world for a while, last month. Since then,  gone down to levels as sometimes seen in Europe.

Some think May will show whether vaccine conquers the disease in Uruguay.

 

So, maybe Gao <deleted> (= George Gao, the eminent Chinese virologist) was right to say "our vaccines are weak, we need others"

 

 

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1 hour ago, Scott said:

Even with a large number of cases, is the death rate higher or lower than would be expected?   Is the vaccine helping to prevent serious illness and death?

Very few deaths in the Seychelles, they’ve never had a day with more than 2 deaths. But there is a lag between cases and deaths so I guess we’ll find out in a few weeks if this increase in cases leads to deaths.

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9 hours ago, tgw said:

these surges might just be caused by people celebrating before the fat lady is done singing.

Spot on.  They let their guard down too soon.  This virus will be with us for many years to come, in many different forums.  We'll be getting jabs for this for a long time.  Just like the yearly flu today.

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On 5/6/2021 at 7:03 AM, friendofthai said:

Vaccinating with British AstraZeneca (produced in India) is the main reason for all of the problems. This vaccine only prevents severe symptoms. It does not stop the spread of the disease.
When they vaccinate everyone with Sinovac - the result will be exactly the same as in China - No COVID at all.

 

India's challege was

- lack of speed in inoculation

- mass gathering for regional elections & religious festivals leading to outbreak as govt trying to make political gains.

 

Covid infection to vaccinated population has been negligible in India.

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On 5/6/2021 at 8:03 AM, friendofthai said:

This vaccine only prevents severe symptoms. It does not stop the spread of the disease.

Correct.!

None of the vaccines prevent infection, they all just reduce the symptoms and shorten the duration of the infection by boosting (or preparing) your immune system.

The western vaccines seem to be better at doing this:

Pfizer 95%
Moderna 95%

Astra Zenneca 87%

Johnson & Johnson 67%

Sinovac 37% to 62% depending on the clinical trial (dubious)

Sputnik 97% claimed, but also dubious as only trialled on small Russian base, and no tests on variants.

As Seychelles uses Sinovac it could go a long way in explaining the surge in cases.

Something for Thais to look forward to.!

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23 minutes ago, millymoopoo said:

Correct.!

None of the vaccines prevent infection, they all just reduce the symptoms and shorten the duration of the infection by boosting (or preparing) your immune system.

The western vaccines seem to be better at doing this:

Pfizer 95%
Moderna 95%

Astra Zenneca 87%

Johnson & Johnson 67%

Sinovac 37% to 62% depending on the clinical trial (dubious)

Sputnik 97% claimed, but also dubious as only trialled on small Russian base, and no tests on variants.

As Seychelles uses Sinovac it could go a long way in explaining the surge in cases.

Something for Thais to look forward to.!

 

It was mentioned a few times already that Seychelles don't use Sinovac at all. 

 

And the Sinovac ranges according to all trials published are 49-91%,  where are your numbers coming from?  And why dubious? They did trials and have data from at least a few countries (not China), do you think all these countries conspired together to produce better numbers?

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China's top disease control official has said the efficacy of the country's Covid vaccines is low, in a rare admission of weakness.

In a press conference, Gao <deleted> added that China was considering mixing vaccines as a way of boosting efficacy.

China has developed four different vaccines approved for public use, though some trials abroad had suggested efficacy as low as 50%.

 

BBC News

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3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

China's top disease control official has said the efficacy of the country's Covid vaccines is low, in a rare admission of weakness.

In a press conference, Gao <deleted> added that China was considering mixing vaccines as a way of boosting efficacy.

China has developed four different vaccines approved for public use, though some trials abroad had suggested efficacy as low as 50%.

 

BBC News

Gao <deleted>, head of the Chinese Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, on Saturday said at a conference the current vaccines "don't have very high rates of protection".

 

Where do you see "low" in the sentence above?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56713663

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