Jeffr2 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/thailand-says-foreigners-can-register-for-vaccination-we-called-they-cant/ Thailand says foreigners can register for vaccination. We called; they can’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 9 hours ago, hioctane said: Patent restrictions are not the problem. Retrofitting existing vaccine manufacture plants take time. Building brand new plants take even more time. Look at Thailand's plant. It is still not ready yet. Vaccine makers do not need to give up there IP to work with plants to manufacture their vaccine. How about in the interim they provide India with the stash of oversupply of vaccines they have, I mean they gave them 60 million doses of AZ the other day, a drop in the bucket compared to the USA having 3 times more vaccines than it needs, in the interim they can start building their new plants, and of course India can supply them with $'s, I mean nothing is for free in the world right, or would the greatest country on this planet be that humane and donate the lot on humanitarian grounds and show the world how great it really is ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnock Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 More promises of 'jam tomorrow'. With the rate of mutation of the virus, late is too late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hioctane Posted May 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: How about in the interim they provide India with the stash of oversupply of vaccines they have, I mean they gave them 60 million doses of AZ the other day, a drop in the bucket compared to the USA having 3 times more vaccines than it needs, in the interim they can start building their new plants, and of course India can supply them with $'s, I mean nothing is for free in the world right, or would the greatest country on this planet be that humane and donate the lot on humanitarian grounds and show the world how great it really is ? The US won’t give the additional stash all to one country. They will spread it around. I believe India is already the biggest vaccine manufacturer in the world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post statman78 Posted May 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, hioctane said: The US won’t give the additional stash all to one country. They will spread it around. I believe India is already the biggest vaccine manufacturer in the world. A few ago I read that the US is giving extra vaccines to Canada, Mexico and India. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, statman78 said: A few ago I read that the US is giving extra vaccines to Canada, Mexico and India. I imagine it will depend very much on trade/diplomacy as opposed to medical necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 hours ago, sandyf said: The plan has never changed, always said expats have to wait, along with the majority of Thais that are also waiting on vaccine to become available. I am not talking about if expats should go last. For Thais ,this is their country. They should go first. I am talking about how they have changed their mind about letting private hospitals buy their own vaccine. First it was no they cant, couple of days later it was yes they can, then back to no. I think its back to yes as of yesterday. My doctor at AEK in Udon is the one that pointed this out to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, statman78 said: A few ago I read that the US is giving extra vaccines to Canada, Mexico and India. Well they all make perfect sense. Canada and Mexico are both direct neighbors and important allies. India is currently suffering the most severe outbreak in the world and also a key ally particularly related to the conflicts with China. Yes Thailand is definitely less important to the USA than those three. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, club said: I am not talking about if expats should go last. For Thais ,this is their country. They should go first. I am talking about how they have changed their mind about letting private hospitals buy their own vaccine. First it was no they cant, couple of days later it was yes they can, then back to no. I think its back to yes as of yesterday. My doctor at AEK in Udon is the one that pointed this out to me I think you're simplifying this. The core issue for expats is whether expats will be included at roughly the SAME TIME in the risk priority phases or not. Whether the access is free and public or paid and private is relatively trivial. If you're suggesting that its OK for high risk expats to be denied access to doses somehow at a roughly similar time frame as Thais then I think that's completely wrong and would judged as wrong by medical ethics experts. Edited May 8, 2021 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 On 5/6/2021 at 11:02 PM, SiSePuede419 said: When will he say when? We're not getting any younger. ???? So many people on this thread are asking fellow members on TVF when will this or that happen? Nobody here has any idea at all, as none of us work for the government/Min of Health/ etc and they are the people who make the decisions. If you really want to know, ask the government how, what, when and where. They probably have no idea either, and if they did, it may all change by another day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 On 5/6/2021 at 12:14 PM, John Drake said: This is what my physician told me, too. He said also that J&J would be available. Both in June. But that was before all the announcements and threats from the government. I didn't actually think it was still good to go. Thailand wants to buy more vaccines as surge worsens https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-cases-set-record-thailands-144411765.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted May 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2021 On 5/7/2021 at 11:18 AM, WhiteBuffaloATM said: Fine but will let the hospital call me in, having pre-registered, complete the jab, then hospital to use my detail to do all required registration themselves. Will not do any govt. interfacing myself..... private hospital work. Why are you asking on TVF about anything the government intends to do? Nobody here knows any more than you do. Ask the hospital or the government as they control the supply of vaccines and make the changeable rules. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 minute ago, billd766 said: Why are you asking on TVF about anything Surely all enquiries on absolutley anything should be directed here first...........555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 More studies show Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines protect against worrisome variants https://news.yahoo.com/more-studies-show-pfizer-moderna-095200757.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 hours ago, sandyf said: You are misrepresenting what was said, I watched the briefing live. The regulator,MHRA, said there was no basis to make any changes to the approval, average incidence was 10.5/million post first jab and 1/million post second jab. The JVCI, advisory body to the government on the use of vaccine, made a recommendation that where an alternative vaccine was available it should be offered to those under 40. If no alternative is available then the recommendation is they have the AZ vaccine. In the discussions that followed it was good to see the TV presenter using the term "low platlet blood clot" rather than just saying "blood clots", had to correct himself a few times. It should be borne in mind that the number of vaccines administered too under 30s is very low which gives misleading results, one out of 2 is 50%. Time people got to grips with the facts of the matter. I think that you should read the links that I posted. You are bad at maths and logic when you make the claim about "misleading results". It is a pretty simple calculation to arrive at the 1:60000 frequency for this clotting in the under 30 age group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 23 hours ago, JohnB1945 said: I went into Pak Chong Ampur office to apply for a yellow book and a pink ID card. I took along two copies of all the documentation required. First they said that I needed even more documentation: 2 Thai Neighbours had to attend with their blue books, and the also wanted copies of my adult children's ID cards (Why?). Then they said that they had stopped the issue of yellow books and pink ID cards "because of Covid"! I pointed out that to register for a vaccine, even privately, you need to have a Thai ID card, they then said that the vaccine was only for Thai people and foreigners could not have vaccination until all Thai people have been vaccinated! This is the reality on the ground, despite whatever the Government say! So the Government say one thing with a big face, but they also make sure that it doesn't happen. Yesterday I went with my wife to the amphur of Klong Lan, Kamphaeng Phet province to get a Pink ID card. I already have the yellow book. It took about an hour and we took copies and originals of the yellow book, my wife's blue book, a copy of our marriage certificate in English and Thai. They were professional about the job and seemed quite happy to do what we asked. They didn't ask for a copy of our sons ID or anything else, nor were any neighbours involved. As with Immigration, what some amphurs want, others don't need so it is just the luck of the draw, and not a conspiracy to deny us farangs things. After we were on the way home I asked my wife how much it cost. The answer was either it was free of they forgot to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, billd766 said: Yesterday I went with my wife to the amphur of Klong Lan, Kamphaeng Phet province to get a Pink ID card. I already have the yellow book. It took about an hour and we took copies and originals of the yellow book, my wife's blue book, a copy of our marriage certificate in English and Thai. They were professional about the job and seemed quite happy to do what we asked. They didn't ask for a copy of our sons ID or anything else, nor were any neighbours involved. As with Immigration, what some amphurs want, others don't need so it is just the luck of the draw, and not a conspiracy to deny us farangs things. After we were on the way home I asked my wife how much it cost. The answer was either it was free of they forgot to ask. Ours is generally very good, but there is no queueing system.........people are leaning over the desks, asking questions and the officials are dealing 4 or 5 things at a time..........I stay well out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-cases-set-record-thailands-144411765.html Notice in the link above posted by Tony125 that the PM mentioned foreign workers. Well, many of us are foreign but not working here. "He said Thailand, with an adult population of about 60 million, needs at least 120 million vaccine doses, with everyone getting two shots. He said foreign workers also needed to be taken into account." Edited May 8, 2021 by Jingthing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jingthing said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-cases-set-record-thailands-144411765.html Notice in the link above posted by Tony125 that the PM mentioned foreign workers. Well, many of us are foreign but not working here. "He said Thailand, with an adult population of about 60 million, needs at least 120 million vaccine doses, with everyone getting two shots. He said foreign workers also needed to be taken into account." However foreign workers make up by far the majority of foreigners in Thailand. in terms of the quantity of vaccine needed -- which is what was being discussed -- western expats are too few to have much effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 34 minutes ago, billd766 said: Why are you asking on TVF about anything the government intends to do? Nobody here knows any more than you do. Ask the hospital or the government as they control the supply of vaccines and make the changeable rules. Perpetual moaners, who usually cheat the queue, are getting impatient and overly self-important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Sheryl said: However foreign workers make up by far the majority of foreigners in Thailand. in terms of the quantity of vaccine needed -- which is what was being discussed -- western expats are too few to have much effect. Well as this here is an expat forum if we don't pay attention to details like this, who will? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted May 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/thailand-says-foreigners-can-register-for-vaccination-we-called-they-cant/ Thailand says foreigners can register for vaccination. We called; they can’t. Thank you. I visited Overbrook and Sriribun private hospitals in Chiang Rai to enquire about registration, both said the government hospital is the only place I can register. Yeah right. I'm going to walk into a hospital that has 200 COVID patients as of a couple of days ago, and sit waiting my turn with 100 people. Wouldn't it be simpler if I just jumped into a petri dish? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lacessit said: Thank you. I visited Overbrook and Sriribun private hospitals in Chiang Rai to enquire about registration, both said the government hospital is the only place I can register. Yeah right. I'm going to walk into a hospital that has 200 COVID patients as of a couple of days ago, and sit waiting my turn with 100 people. Wouldn't it be simpler if I just jumped into a petri dish? Bingo. My feelings exactly and you likely couldn't register in person there either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: I think you're simplifying this. The core issue for expats is whether expats will be included at roughly the SAME TIME in the risk priority phases or not. Whether the access is free and public or paid and private is relatively trivial. If you're suggesting that its OK for high risk expats to be denied access to doses somehow at a roughly similar time frame as Thais then I think that's completely wrong and would judged as wrong by medical ethics experts. What is not trivial is that mRNA vaccines were not ordered months ago. So, they are not cheap enough for mass administration. Does that mean that they must be ruled out? That would be very shortsighted. The ethical questions are not straightforward. Importing these vaccines for administration in private hospitals would reduce the strain on the public system. There is always the populist backlash, whatever the timing. I don't see delaying administration in private hospitals to coordinate with staging in the public program outweighing the good gained by getting mRNA vaccines here ASAP and thus saving lives of those who can afford the private pricing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, Sheryl said: However foreign workers make up by far the majority of foreigners in Thailand. in terms of the quantity of vaccine needed -- which is what was being discussed -- western expats are too few to have much effect. I'd like to know if there are any statistics available on the nationalities of the expat population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, placnx said: What is not trivial is that mRNA vaccines were not ordered months ago. So, they are not cheap enough for mass administration. Does that mean that they must be ruled out? That would be very shortsighted. The ethical questions are not straightforward. Importing these vaccines for administration in private hospitals would reduce the strain on the public system. There is always the populist backlash, whatever the timing. I don't see delaying administration in private hospitals to coordinate with staging in the public program outweighing the good gained by getting mRNA vaccines here ASAP and thus saving lives of those who can afford the private pricing. Perhaps bring these in, charge a fair amount of money for them, and use the profits to fund jabs for the general public? I'm sure lots of rich Thai people would be happy with this. Heck, they're looking at vaccine "holidays" to the US for 70k+ Baht. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, placnx said: What is not trivial is that mRNA vaccines were not ordered months ago. So, they are not cheap enough for mass administration. Does that mean that they must be ruled out? That would be very shortsighted. The ethical questions are not straightforward. Importing these vaccines for administration in private hospitals would reduce the strain on the public system. There is always the populist backlash, whatever the timing. I don't see delaying administration in private hospitals to coordinate with staging in the public program outweighing the good gained by getting mRNA vaccines here ASAP and thus saving lives of those who can afford the private pricing. 4 minutes ago, placnx said: What is not trivial is that mRNA vaccines were not ordered months ago. So, they are not cheap enough for mass administration. Does that mean that they must be ruled out? That would be very shortsighted. The ethical questions are not straightforward. Importing these vaccines for administration in private hospitals would reduce the strain on the public system. There is always the populist backlash, whatever the timing. I don't see delaying administration in private hospitals to coordinate with staging in the public program outweighing the good gained by getting mRNA vaccines here ASAP and thus saving lives of those who can afford the private pricing. And you assumed that I would disagree with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jingthing said: And you assumed that I would disagree with that? I am not trying to start an argument. I don't know whether you agree with me or perhaps somewhat. I hope that this forum can help each other to understand complex issues. There are some very good posters with well-informed ideas and interesting links, and this discussion can hopefully help us interpret the data and the confusing edicts and announcements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 A post with content that was copied from another site without a supporting link to the source of information has been reported and removed: 14) You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Please only post a link, the headline and the first three sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, placnx said: I'd like to know if there are any statistics available on the nationalities of the expat population. Here's some figures from a study by Mahidol University, though they are a little outdated (I couldn't find anything newer). Edited May 8, 2021 by GroveHillWanderer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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