Brierley Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Indonesia tracked 25,374 health workers in capital city Jakarta for 28 days after they received their second dose and found that the vaccine protected 100% of them from death and 96% from hospitalization as soon as seven days after, said Health Minister Budi Gunadi Sadikin in an interview on Tuesday. The workers were tracked until late February. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-11/china-s-sinovac-shot-found-highly-effective-in-real-world-study?srnd=premium-asia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, CharlieH said: 33,000 is population. I was there a few years ago. The big attraction is the mountain top castle. Down from the castle are some neighborhoods, you wind through them as you go up and down. But yeah, not many live there. Smallest country unless you count Vatican City as one. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Brierley said: Indonesia tracked 25,374 health workers in capital city Jakarta for 28 days after they received their second dose and found that the vaccine protected 100% of them from death and 96% from hospitalization as soon as seven days after, said Health Minister Budi Gunadi Sadikin in an interview on Tuesday. The workers were tracked until late February. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-11/china-s-sinovac-shot-found-highly-effective-in-real-world-study?srnd=premium-asia It appears that China has managed to bring infections to zero while vaccinating only 20% of its population...go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, Brunolem said: It appears that China has managed to bring infections to zero while vaccinating only 20% of its population...go figure... Yeah, they've done a great job. Lock downs, masks, social distancing, testing, contact tracing and very strict border controls. If other countries had done this, we might be out of this mess by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brierley Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Brunolem said: It appears that China has managed to bring infections to zero while vaccinating only 20% of its population...go figure... The article doesn't say that, it doesn't even hint at that, yours seems to be a troll post which should probably be removed since it is not even a little bit relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Brierley said: The article doesn't say that, it doesn't even hint at that, yours seems to be a troll post which should probably be removed since it is not even a little bit relevant. Ummm....his reply was about vaccinations. Which is what this topic is about. Hardly a troll post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, Brunolem said: It appears that China has managed to bring infections to zero while vaccinating only 20% of its population...go figure... Well, when you've got a police state enjoying the advantage of the latest mass surveillance technology, close to 0 percent is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brierley Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said: Ummm....his reply was about vaccinations. Which is what this topic is about. Hardly a troll post. Except the posted link and article refer to the Indonesian study which the poster then copied whilst making false claims about Chinese levels of contagion....that's trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: Well, when you've got a police state enjoying the advantage of the latest mass surveillance technology, close to 0 percent is possible. So all what's missing in Thailand then is the introduction of mass surveillance technology ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, Excel said: So all what's missing in Thailand then is the introduction of mass surveillance technology ? If you think the tradeoff is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcheech Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, Brierley said: Except the posted link and article refer to the Indonesian study which the poster then copied whilst making false claims about Chinese levels of contagion....that's trolling. No I think you are trolling. At least it's a job. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wongkitlo Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 The government has used the virus to politically control people and have manipulated laws and situations for their own benefit for years. They have a very low credibility rating in the eyes of the Thai people so the people are more likely to believe conspiracies than anything the government tells them. They won't take Chinese vaccine because the Chinese have been selling stuff that breaks immediately for years so why would their vaccine be safe? The government and 'its supporters' will benefit financially from Astrazeneca so why would they obey if they are told to take it. My brother and sister in law and my wife were laughing last night at the government telling people to register. They won't take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Brierley said: Except the posted link and article refer to the Indonesian study which the poster then copied whilst making false claims about Chinese levels of contagion....that's trolling. What false claims? I suggest you do some research...on credible sites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 15 hours ago, placeholder said: No, it's comments like yours that are trash. We have many many studies done outside of China that show that Sinovac is very effective at preventing symptoms serious enough to require hospitalization and at preventing death. Stop with the falsehoods already if for no other reason than you're committing a crime. What is wrong with you? You really need help Tell your twisted story to these 9 nurses how great Sinivav is https://www.thaipbsworld.com/nine-student-nurses-suffer-side-effects-after-sinovac-vaccination/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) On 5/11/2021 at 1:11 PM, club said: Pfizer has always been my choice. Check out how inconsistent Sinovac is. Its trash Edited May 12, 2021 by placeholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Excel said: So all what's missing in Thailand then is the introduction of mass surveillance technology ? Si you think that mass surveillance is more efficient than vaccines when it comes to fight a virus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Brierley said: Except the posted link and article refer to the Indonesian study which the poster then copied whilst making false claims about Chinese levels of contagion....that's trolling. What false claims? This data is published on worldometer and many other sources...just have a look, it's everywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, club said: What is wrong with you? You really need help Tell your twisted story to these 9 nurses how great Sinivav is https://www.thaipbsworld.com/nine-student-nurses-suffer-side-effects-after-sinovac-vaccination/ A mathematician named John Paulos coined the term "innumeracy". It means for math what illiteracy means for reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, placeholder said: A mathematician named John Paulos coined the term "innumeracy". It means for math what illiteracy means for reading. Does this mean you cant read the article I sent you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, Brunolem said: Si you think that mass surveillance is more efficient than vaccines when it comes to fight a virus? Said no such thing but find it odd that your imagination tends to be negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brierley Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, Brunolem said: What false claims? This data is published on worldometer and many other sources...just have a look, it's everywhere... https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-reports-16-new-mainland-covid-19-cases-vs-14-day-earlier-2021-05-12/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 47 minutes ago, club said: What is wrong with you? You really need help Tell your twisted story to these 9 nurses how great Sinivav is https://www.thaipbsworld.com/nine-student-nurses-suffer-side-effects-after-sinovac-vaccination/ Anecdotal reports of people claiming side effects are not proof of anything. Over 1 million doses of Sinovac have been given in Thailand, almost 2 million in Cambodia, and more elsewhere. Reports like this involve small numbers of people clustered together and knowing one another (and, I regret to say this being a woman myself - but all young women, the demographic usually involved in mass hysteria phenomena) . Detailed medical investigations have consistently failed to find any physical cause for the symptoms subjectively reported. it is certainly true that once a vaccine (or any other drug) is administered on a mass scale there will be rare side effects that come to light that were not found in clinical trials, clinical trials can only identify side effects that occur at a magnitude of at least 1 in 10,000. But these will be found in scattered cases, here and there (as happened with blood clots & AZ vaccine). They will not occur in clusters like this. Having 9 people all of whom know each other reporting symptoms not reported by any of the hundreds of thousands of people elsewhere in the country vaccinated with the same batch of vaccine is extremely suggestive of a psychosomatic response. In addition there is no known mechanism through which Sinovac would cause these particular effects. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, club said: Does this mean you cant read the article I sent you? It means you don't understand statisitcs and probability. Hundreds of thousands of people have been treated with this vaccine. How many adverse incidents have been reported. . It also means that you're letting your prejudices determine what that incident with the nurses was really about. Was it caused by the vaccine? There haven't been any reports of similar incidents. But there is this: Mass psychogenic illness Mass psychogenic illness (MPI), also called mass sociogenic illness, mass psychogenic disorder, epidemic hysteria, or mass hysteria, is the rapid spread of illness signs and symptoms affecting members of a cohesive group, originating from a nervous system disturbance involving excitation, loss, or alteration of function, whereby physical complaints that are exhibited unconsciously have no corresponding organic aetiology.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness1] And how severe were her symptoms? Apparently so severe that they had to be treated with pillows,. Lucky she was in a health care facility when it happened. Pretty high-tech stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sheryl said: Anecdotal reports of people claiming side effects are nto proof of anything. Over 1 million doses of Sinovac have been given in Thailand, almost 2 million in Cambodia, and more elsewhere. Reports like this involve small numbers of people clustered together and knowing one another (and, I regret to say this being a woman myself - but all young women, the demographic usually involved in mass hysteria phenomena) . Detailed medical investigations have consistently failed to find any physical cause for the symptoms subjectively reported. it is certainly true that once a vaccine (or any other drug) is administered on a mass scale there will be rare side effects that come to light that were not found in clinical trials, clinical trials can only identify side effects that occur at a magnitude of at least 1 in 10,000. But these will be found in scattered cases, here and there (as happened with blood clots & AZ vaccine). They will not occur in clusters like this. Having 9 people all of whom know each other reporting symptoms not reported by any of the hundreds of thousands of people elsewhere in the country vaccinated with the same batch of vaccine is extremely suggestive of a psychosomatic response. In addition there is no known mechanism through which Sinovac would cause these particular effects. People clustered together? What are you talking about? These are side effects from taking Sinovac not symptoms of exposure to Covid 19 Because these woman were clustered together as you say . Let this be a warning . Do not cluster together when being vaccinated for Covid. You might start sharing side effects. WOW!! You must work for the Chinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, club said: People clustered together? What are you talking about? These are side effects from taking Sinovac not symptoms of exposure to Covid 19 Because these woman were clustered together as you say . Let this be a warning . Do not cluster together when being vaccinated for Covid. You might start sharing side effects. WOW!! You must work for the Chinese They were vaccinated in a group. That would be a cluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, club said: People clustered together? What are you talking about? These are side effects from taking Sinovac not symptoms of exposure to Covid 19 Because these woman were clustered together as you say . Let this be a warning . Do not cluster together when being vaccinated for Covid. You might start sharing side effects. WOW!! You must work for the Chinese Group suggestion. A well known phenomena. it simply does not happen that rare side effects occur in 9 young women who all know each other and were vaccinated at the same time and not at all in hundreds of thousands of others who received the same vaccine batch. In another cluster, in Rayong, also among young women who knew each other, the reported side effects occurred within 3-5minutes of the vaccine injection which is literally impossible. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, club said: People clustered together? What are you talking about? These are side effects from taking Sinovac not symptoms of exposure to Covid 19 Because these woman were clustered together as you say . Let this be a warning . Do not cluster together when being vaccinated for Covid. You might start sharing side effects. WOW!! You must work for the Chinese What we are dealing with here are women who had heard, probably on the social web grapewine, about the blood clots stories regarding the AZ vaccine. Unable to make a difference between AZ and Sinovac, they self diagnosed similar symptoms, even though it is impossible because Sinovac doesn't affect the vascular system. If they had come up with totally different symptoms, they might have been credible, but not in this case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, Brierley said: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-reports-16-new-mainland-covid-19-cases-vs-14-day-earlier-2021-05-12/ 14 to 19 cases in a population of 1.4 billion is like a rounding error... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: San Marino? Come on. Give me a break. Does anyone even live there? If so, not many for sure. It is the N2 most vaccinated country in the world (N1 is Seychelles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, friendofthai said: It is the N2 most vaccinated country in the world (N1 is Seychelles). Which in and of itself, doesn't mean much. Especially since San Marino is just a speck inside Italy, with NO borders. Means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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