Phuket: Brits busted for flouting Covid regulations at illegal pool villa party

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...for public events!

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

Please link to the exact ruling where it states that the 20 rule is only for public events and not for private gatherings be that at a home or hotel, venue or other.

 

If you can't do that then your whole argument is built on speculation

[pagallim]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

...for public events!

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

 

I don't believe that a Sunday lunch at the home of a long term Phuket resident, with his wife's sister and husband, and another couple, fall under the category of 'party'.   I've already posted this, but all Phuket restaurants remain open currently (at least those who choose to do so) but with no alcohol sales, though opening hours are restricted (no late evening).   Those that are open can be quite crowded, especially at weekends.   There is no restriction on alchol sales from shops, as there is no restriction on alcohol consumption in the home.

 

For many of us, a glass of wine or a beer with a meal at home is quite normal.

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...for public events!

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

Agreed. But it was none of those you listed. Just a few together for a swim in the pool. No organization required.  LOL

[pagallim]

I will post this again, very same evening and day in Wichit.   Anyone want to bet that there is no SangSom/Hong Thong/Regency under the table?

 

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by pagallim

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, pagallim said:

 

I don't believe that a Sunday lunch at the home of a long term Phuket resident, with his wife's sister and husband, and another couple, fall under the category of 'party'.   I've already posted this, but all Phuket restaurants remain open currently (at least those who choose to do so) but with no alcohol sales, though opening hours are restricted (no late evening).   Those that are open can be quite crowded, especially at weekends.   There is no restriction on alchol sales from shops, as there is no restriction on alcohol consumption in the home.

 

For many of us, a glass of wine or a beer with a meal at home is quite normal.

Find the video. It's all about a crazy Thai neighbor.

[monty1412]

9 hours ago, blake911 said:

A few friends enjoying a glass of wine together. This is seriously wrong. 

Ohh how I would like to bust into a police station after knock off time and see them all sitting together having beer....camera rolling  I would make sure I was yelling out " this is a party .. this is a party". 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, pagallim said:

I will post this again, very same evening and day in Wichit.   Anyone want to bet that there is no SangSom/Hong Thong/Regency under the table?

 

 

Looks like fun. But just the kind of event that can spread the virus.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I did, thats why you read the article I linked to which also says:

 

"total of only six people at a family gathering at a private home in Baan Layan" from the article.

 

Besides which this whole thread is about why the police classified this as a party which it clearly was not, that was their accusation and basis for the charges.

But, clearly, they weren't all the same family, that's why the owners were charged and the police also want to charge the other visitors!

 

How come you didn't read this part of your own link?...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

 

"Besides which this whole thread is about why the police classified this as a party..."

The whole thread is actually about the OP, which is about a group of people who flouted the current Covid restrictions.    

[pagallim]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

Looks like fun. But just the kind of event that can spread the virus.

 

That's the point, it isn't an 'event', just a normal group meal taking place all over Phuket every day, especially weekends.

[Bkktodd]

9 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

not the photos I was expecting..

Bikini clad girls and beach balls with buckets of champagne was the visual i was expecting to see.  Not a pensioner borefest

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

But, clearly, they weren't all the same family, that's why the owners were charged and the police also want to charge the other visitors!

 

How come you didn't read this part of your own link?...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

 

"Besides which this whole thread is about why the police classified this as a party..."

The whole thread is actually about the OP, which is about a group of people who flouted the current Covid restrictions.    

The OP is a translated piece from a Thai news outlet, I am quoting directly from a source English media in Phuket.

 

So are you really trying to tell me that in my family of 3 at home, myself, my wife and my daughter that if we then invite my son, his girlfriend and their young daughter whose birthday it is over for a Sunday lunch next week by the pool we are breaking the law?

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Please link to the exact ruling where it states that the 20 rule is only for public events and not for private gatherings be that at a home or hotel, venue or other.

 

If you can't do that then your whole argument is built on speculation

I don't need to link to anything, you're the one disputing the Covid restrictions that do not allow parties.   

 

There is no speculation, whatsoever, in my comments.  If what I post is "speculation" then perhaps you can explain why the owners were arrested and fined for contravening current C-19 laws and the police want to do the same with the other visitors?

[chickenslegs]

4 hours ago, crazykopite said:

 ... as from Saturday football supporters allowed back in grounds... grounds around the country between 8 and 10,000.

Great news for Port Vale - they normally don't get half that crowd.

[Liverpool Lou]

12 minutes ago, pagallim said:

I don't believe that a Sunday lunch at the home of a long term Phuket resident, with his wife's sister and husband, and another couple, fall under the category of 'party'.   I've already posted this, but all Phuket restaurants remain open currently (at least those who choose to do so) but with no alcohol sales, though opening hours are restricted (no late evening).   Those that are open can be quite crowded, especially at weekends.   There is no restriction on alchol sales from shops, as there is no restriction on alcohol consumption in the home.

They weren't at a restaurant and restaurant regulations do not apply to home gatherings that contravene current restrictions!   I know that you don't like it but the restrictions are there, regardless.

[pagallim]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I don't need to link to anything, you're the one disputing the Covid restrictions that do not allow parties.   

 

There is no speculation, whatsoever, in my comments.  If what I post is "speculation" then perhaps you can explain why the owners were arrested and fined for contravening current C-19 laws and the police want to do the same with the other visitors?

 

I must admit, posts demonstrating naivety like this make me call into question whether the poster is actually resident in Thailand or not.

[Bkktodd]

17 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...confirming the current Covid restrictions transgression?   Not really a smart move.

Wow. Mr perfect.  Reminds me of that german cop (way past past retirement age)  in pattaya that used to love giving tickets to farangs. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I don't need to link to anything, you're the one disputing the Covid restrictions that do not allow parties.   

 

There is no speculation, whatsoever, in my comments.  If what I post is "speculation" then perhaps you can explain why the owners were arrested and fined for contravening current C-19 laws and the police want to do the same with the other visitors?

Thats the whole point, it was not a "party" it was a family gathering, its the police on who classified it as a party with no justification just because of a lonely disgruntled Thai neighbor informed them

[Liverpool Lou]

14 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Agreed. But it was none of those you listed. Just a few together for a swim in the pool. No organization required.  LOL

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others..."

[EricTh]

Drinking alcohol with a group of people is a no-no during Covid time. You might spread the virus to your neighbours when you are drunk.

[Liverpool Lou]

16 minutes ago, pagallim said:

I will post this again, very same evening and day in Wichit.   Anyone want to bet that there is no SangSom/Hong Thong/Regency under the table?

 

 

That appears to be 14 people in a restaurant, which doesn't contravene current restrictions..   The OP is about private social gatherings that do!

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

That appears to be 14 people in a restaurant, which doesn't contravene current restrictions..   The OP is about private social gatherings that do!

Again:

 Are you really trying to tell me that in my family of 3 at home, myself, my wife and my daughter that if we then invite my son, his girlfriend and their young daughter whose birthday it is over for a Sunday lunch next week by the pool we are breaking the law?

[bipper]

10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

6 people and a child of around 11 or 12 years old have a get together around the pool and its called an illegal party? Surely we're missing something here as this is just bizarre.

It may be bizarre but it's the law. Just like the UK had it's silly laws invoked by the ministry of silly walks so too the equivalent here have that entitlement in their own place.

[pagallim]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

They weren't at a restaurant and restaurant regulations do not apply to home gatherings that contravene current restrictions!   I know that you don't like it but the restrictions are there, regardless.

 

The list of Phuket current restrictions.

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/full-phuket-covid-restrictions-order-published-79749.php

 

With respect to this definition:

 

“People should refrain from organising social events in the form of parties, banquets or festivities during this time unless it is a traditional ceremony such as a funeral, ordination or wedding. If the activity cannot be postponed, then it is to be held in accordance with all COVID protection measures,” the order notes.

 

So, as witnessed in the video, the police definition of a simple family lunch was a 'party'.   This is where your defence of what took place falls apart, and to be honest is quite sad.

[pagallim]

5 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Drinking alcohol with a group of people is a no-no during Covid time. You might spread the virus to your neighbours when you are drunk.

 

Which is why bars are closed in Phuket, and restaurants cannot sell alcohol.   Home consumption is permitted.

[Liverpool Lou]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

16 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

But, clearly, they weren't all the same family, that's why the owners were charged and the police also want to charge the other visitors!

 

How come you didn't read this part of your own link?...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

 

"Besides which this whole thread is about why the police classified this as a party..."

The whole thread is actually about the OP, which is about a group of people who flouted the current Covid restrictions.    

Expand  

The OP is a translated piece from a Thai news outlet, I am quoting directly from a source English media in Phuket.

 

So are you really trying to tell me that in my family of 3 at home, myself, my wife and my daughter that if we then invite my son, his girlfriend and their young daughter whose birthday it is over for a Sunday lunch next week by the pool we are breaking the law?

It's not me that's telling you that, it's the police, and yes, that does seem to be the case.    I don't agree with it, same as many people, but not agreeing with it doesn't give anyone carte blanche to break the current restrictions, does it?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It's not me that's telling you that, it's the police, and yes, that does seem to be the case.    I don't agree with it, same as many people, but not agreeing with it doesn't give anyone carte blanche to break the current restrictions, does it?

There is no law against it unless it is a party. That is the definition.

[Liverpool Lou]

10 minutes ago, pagallim said:

14 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I don't need to link to anything, you're the one disputing the Covid restrictions that do not allow parties.   

 

There is no speculation, whatsoever, in my comments.  If what I post is "speculation" then perhaps you can explain why the owners were arrested and fined for contravening current C-19 laws and the police want to do the same with the other visitors?

 

I must admit, posts demonstrating naivety like this make me call into question whether the poster is actually resident in Thailand or not.

What's so "naïve" about my posts in this context and, even if I was not a Thailand resident, what difference would that make to my observations about this thread?     

 

Are you disputing that the current Covid restriction regarding home gatherings is in force?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

What's so "naïve" about my posts in this context and, even if I was not a Thailand resident, what difference would that make to my observations about this thread?     

 

Are you disputing that the current Covid restriction regarding home gatherings is in force?

If two separate small families rent a holiday villa together for the weekend which they are perfectly able to do. Do you really think they are breaking the law by eating together in the villa?

[Liverpool Lou]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats the whole point, it was not a "party" it was a family gathering, its the police on who classified it as a party with no justification just because of a lonely disgruntled Thai neighbor informed them

From a police spokesman regarding this specific occasion...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

 

If you dispute that, argue with the police about their statement, not me, I don't agree with it, either.    The word "party" does not come into it.

[pagallim]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What's so "naïve" about my posts in this context and, even if I was not a Thailand resident, what difference would that make to my observations about this thread?     

 

Are you disputing that the current Covid restriction regarding home gatherings is in force?

 

The naivety is borne through not understanding the ability of the Thai police to charge you with whatever they wish, whether it is actually the correct law or not.   In this case, a lack of clear definition of restrictions within a home is not stated, thus the Police adopt their own definition.

 

From your answer, I guess that you are not resident.