hotchilli Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 18 hours ago, RichardColeman said: In all seriousness , at what point do you just say to hell with it and open up to all to save society and jobs ? Thailand is being destroyed more through lockdowns than deaths It's being destroyed by the governments ineptitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poskat Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 wasn't there just a thread about the % of hotels to close in 3 months a week or two ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, poskat said: wasn't there just a thread about the % of hotels to close in 3 months a week or two ago? There's been a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 18 hours ago, RichardColeman said: In all seriousness , at what point do you just say to hell with it and open up to all to save society and jobs ? Thailand is being destroyed more through lockdowns than deaths At the point the politicians pockets are hurting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fex Bluse Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 If they were smart, they would have used all this time wisely. Assuming the government is as rich as it has claimed, they should have been subsidizing HEAVY investment into updating and upgrading tourism industry infrastructure - hotels, etc. Instead, they have relied on their amulets, thinking the tourists would be back right away. Now they have wasted the time and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman567 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 18 hours ago, Thomas J said: It takes decades to build up a tourism industry and the businesses that prosper from it. It takes only months to severely cripple it for decades. Even if there was a cure tomorrow, many businesses will lack the financial ability to re-open. They tried to stay afloat for as long as possible. So was the "cure" worse than the disease? I guess that depends on your perspective. If you were a person who theoretically was prevented from contracting a severe case of Covid - Yes. If you were an employee who lost their job or business owner whose business went bankrupt - No. Well said I agree They might be saved from the covid but the business are really suffering Many will not re-open 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 With luck new owners will buy these hotels for pennies on the Baht, and reopen them after completely gutting and renovating the place. A good cleaning followed by new furniture, beds, carpets or wood floors, etc. would go a long way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said: If they were smart, they would have used all this time wisely. Assuming the government is as rich as it has claimed, they should have been subsidizing HEAVY investment into updating and upgrading tourism industry infrastructure - hotels, etc. Instead, they have relied on their amulets, thinking the tourists would be back right away. Now they have wasted the time and money. That would have required planning and forethought. Not exactly the forte of Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fex Bluse Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Showtime said: With luck new owners will buy these hotels for pennies on the Baht, and reopen them after completely gutting and renovating the place. A good cleaning followed by new furniture, beds, carpets or wood floors, etc. would go a long way. I can see it now. Tens or hundreds of hotels around Thailand under Chinese management billowing cigarette smoke from every crack and crevice and with discarded chicken bones strewn about the properties. Nice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said: I can see it now. Tens or hundreds of hotels around Thailand under Chinese management billowing cigarette smoke from every crack and crevice and with discarded chicken bones strewn about the properties. Nice Sad but true and exactly what I was thinking when I wrote it. You forgot 20 people per room with Karoke blaring all night and many men drunk after a sip of beer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazySlipper Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 19 hours ago, ourmanflint said: I hope this doesn't affect the Thai baht I sure as hell hope it does... us greenback is back over the 30bht mark and the Canadian loonie is finally up over the 25 bht mark... burn baby burn... Been losing money long enough on the bht... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sticky Rice Balls Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 Is interesting to see how far thais can go as the golden tower is starting to show cracks..like a beer bar jenga tower as the gov keeps taking out a block and trying to rig the game-sooner or later that tower is coming down.......is like pushing string or standing on a beach pushing back incoming waves... As for the hotels the backwards logic of raising prices during off season and slow times has come to bite them in the a$$.....I have worked hospitality all my life and never understood hey lets RAISE the room prices during rainy season etc.....I stayed in a oceanfront condo this past NYE and xmas as i could never afford it during high season..but I like having the whole place to myself and a quiet beach-ocean But thats not what most tourists come for...and every time I try to have a thai explain this backwards logic to me I get the usual response or none at all.......why not take a % of money as opposed to zero.? Som naam naa--you reap what you sow..too many damn hotels in LOS anyway.....trim it back 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cipher Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 hours ago, MasterBaker said: there is no way tourist numbers will ever be the same as before. not just in thailand Lol do people actually believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patong2021 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 One consistent aspect of the forum is the inconsistency of opinion. I have been reading for many years and prior to Covid the consistent complaint was; - Too many hotels, too many beds; -Thailand had over developed -Air BnB was killing the hotel sector - Hotel industry had chronic shortage of workers Now, a story suggests that some hotels may close. Ok. What is so wrong with that if the problems I list are real? Would Thailand not be better to be rid of some of these places that hover at 2* rating on a good day? Fewer rooms mean that the hotel industry would have better occupancy rate and make a better profit. Antigua, Turks and Caicos and Barbados do very well with the strategy. Phuket was filled with too many low quality places and if some shut down it won't be a bad outcome. I don't think the better quality hotels will be lost. There are a lot of hotels who were built 20, 30, 40, years ago and who have not really been kept up. I can think of several in Bangkok, Chiang Mai and Patong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 To our Mainland Chinese friends: Quickly now! Stampede to the all-you-can-shovel-onto-your-plate-and-subsequently-leave-behind-uneaten shrimp buffets while you still can! Time's running out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fulhamster Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 20 hours ago, ourmanflint said: I hope this doesn't affect the Thai baht Does anything ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumGun Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 16 hours ago, clivebaxter said: Some countries with more sense of protecting their own have stopped the Chinese buying property eg New Zealand. Unfortunately they stopped all foreigners doing it. When I sold my house in Hamilton I was not able to buy another due to the ban brought about by the Chinese trying to buy everything up. Anyone from another country could still buy a house, you just had another hoop to jump through. Australians and Singaporeans still can. You just need to set up a company in Singapore and use that to buy a house. All quite legal, its how "the Chinese" i.e (any foreigner who wants to) keeps buying houses in NZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixlegs Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Perhaps this will teach the industry and the population in general here that you cannot spit upward without risking it falling back onto your own face. Value your customers no matter how you despise them because without them your sandy beaches, waterfalls and pubs are just another places where you can just sobbing about your misery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: They're doing a pretty good job of jabbing staff in Phuket and Samui. Many. And have started in Pattaya also. Front line workers and those in the hospitality biz are first up. Along with the elderly.... They are vaccinated using Sinovac with an efficiency of only 50% in the best cases against the ''classic'' covid 19 and no efficiency at all against the new india and south africa strains so it's better than nothing, but i don't call it a good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 21 hours ago, ourmanflint said: I hope this doesn't affect the Thai baht I hope it does... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said: They are vaccinated using Sinovac with an efficiency of only 50% in the best cases against the ''classic'' covid 19 and no efficiency at all against the new india and south africa strains so it's better than nothing, but i don't call it a good job Sinovac isn't the best jab, but it's better than nothing. And 100% will keep you out of the ICU with a tube jammed down your throat. We're in bad shape if those new strains take hold here. Terrible. But yes, overall, Thailand has done a terrible job with the vaccine rollout....or should I say attempt at a vaccine rollout! LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said: They are vaccinated using Sinovac with an efficiency of only 50% in the best cases against the ''classic'' covid 19 and no efficiency at all against the new india and south africa strains so it's better than nothing, but i don't call it a good job First of all, there are several studies that show Sinovac has an efficacy greater than 50 percent. In fact only one study put it at slightly above 50 percent. The rest put it higher. Do you understand that efficacy and effectiveness are technical terms when used by epidemiologist? And that they only refer to infections? That in fact Coronovac has been repeatedly show to be extremely powerful in preventing symptoms serious enough to require hospitalization and death. And you're just making it up when you say that it has "no efficiency at all against the new india and south africa strains." Are you aware that it's a crime in Thailand to post falsehoods like this? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, placeholder said: First of all, there are several studies that show Sinovac has an efficacy greater than 50 percent. In fact only one study put it at slightly above 50 percent. The rest put it higher. Do you understand that efficacy and effectiveness are technical terms when used by epidemiologist? And that they only refer to infections? That in fact Coronovac has been repeatedly show to be extremely powerful in preventing symptoms serious enough to require hospitalization and death. And you're just making it up when you say that it has "no efficiency at all against the new india and south africa strains." Are you aware that it's a crime in Thailand to post falsehoods like this? Good post. The Sinovac 50% efficacy figure is misleading a lot of people. Sinovac has 50.4 % efficacy against Covid-19 (i.e. 50% of people do not contract Covid-19 at all) Sinovac has 78 % efficacy against mild Covid-19 cases Sinovac has 100 % efficacy against moderate to serious Covid-19 cases 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said: Good post. The Sinovac 50% efficacy figure is misleading a lot of people. Sinovac has 50.4 % efficacy against Covid-19 (i.e. 50% of people do not contract Covid-19 at all) Sinovac has 78 % efficacy against mild Covid-19 cases Sinovac has 100 % efficacy against moderate to serious Covid-19 cases And the 50.4% was from one study. Others show it to be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 23 hours ago, webfact said: half of all hotels could close in under three months. Would make ideal homes for squatters!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, placeholder said: And you're just making it up when you say that it has "no efficiency at all against the new india and south africa strains." Are you aware that it's a crime in Thailand to post falsehoods like this? Are you trying to threatening me? I don't like your tone at all Maybe you have something better to put on the table in this debate like for example some evidence that Sinovac is working againts the new strains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Sinovac has 50.4 % efficacy against Covid-19 thank you for confirming what i said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, placeholder said: And the 50.4% was from one study. Others show it to be higher. Are you working for Sinovac by any chance? by the way the vaccine is now approved in China, Europe and by the WHO or still not? https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1222712.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, kingofthemountain said: Are you trying to threatening me? I don't like your tone at all Maybe you have something better to put on the table in this debate like for example some evidence that Sinovac is working againts the new strains? You're the one who claimed it wasn't. It's up to you to provide evidence to back up your claim. But in fact we do have an ongoing study that so far shows that the Coronavac is very effective against the dangerous variants floating around in Brazil. 98% of adults were vacciniated: A Small Brazilian Town Is Beating Covid-19 Through a Unique Experiment This town of 45,000 people in southeastern Brazil has been at the center of a unique experiment for the past three months: vaccinate nearly every adult against Covid-19 and see what happens. In recent weeks, after most of the adults here got their second dose, Covid-19 cases and deaths plunged and life has started to return to normal as the pandemic continues to rage across Brazil. All of Serrana’s adults were offered CoronaVac between February and April as part of the experiment, known as Project S. https://www.wsj.com/articles/brazilian-towns-mass-vaccination-creates-oasis-of-well-being-11620392401 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, kingofthemountain said: Are you working for Sinovac by any chance? by the way the vaccine is now approved in China, Europe and by the WHO or still not? https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1222712.shtml Have you look at the various completed epidemiological studies by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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