Traffic line marking

[overt2016]

It seems that the BMA is seriously cash strapped at the moment.

The faded traffic lines are in need of a paint job.

In my area of Pinklao the supposed white lines are almost black.

What is of particular concern is the pedestrian crossings.

 

[ballpoint]

Black lines matter!

[soi3eddie]

2 hours ago, overt2016 said:

What is of particular concern is the pedestrian crossings.

 

A pedestrian crossing near me is (supposed to be) controlled by a stop light. It's rare that vehicles even stop for that, let alone lines painted on the road indicating a crossing.

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by soi3eddie

[natway09]

Never, ever, trust even a controlled crosswalk (Most Thais know that)

[SS1]

They've put brand new asphalt in the Asoke junctions but "forgot" to paint the line markings. Almost got crushed by an idiot driver going straight from the righmost turning lane. 

[Katipo]

Pedestrian crossings are just for show, they serve no real function. You could even argue that not having them may save lives by eliminating any false sense of security they conjure up amongst users.

[KhaoYai]

On 5/15/2021 at 11:01 AM, overt2016 said:

What is of particular concern is the pedestrian crossings.

Whilst I don't disagree with you, the problem concerning pedestrian crossings is far bigger than them not being clearly marked.

 

People have been killed on the crossing at the junction of Sukhumvit Road and Soi's 3 & 4 by drivers going through at red - right in front of a manned police box!

[overt2016]

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

Whilst I don't disagree with you, the problem concerning pedestrian crossings is far bigger than them not being clearly marked.

 

People have been killed on the crossing at the junction of Sukhumvit Road and Soi's 3 & 4 by drivers going through at red - right in front of a manned police box!

On a crossing in pinklao i have been almost hit by a police car and a cop on a motorbike.

I just wonder what EXACTLY is the law about pedestrians and crossings?

[KhaoYai]

34 minutes ago, overt2016 said:

I just wonder what EXACTLY is the law about pedestrians and crossings?

I don't think its any different to the law in the West.  However, the crossing I mention in Sukhumvit is controlled by traffic lights with a 'green man' and as I say, in front of a police box.  When the 'green man' shows the lights shown to traffic must be red - yet its still ignored.

[rwill]

In my experience the freshly painted street markings fade very fast.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, overt2016 said:

On a crossing in pinklao i have been almost hit by a police car and a cop on a motorbike.

I just wonder what EXACTLY is the law about pedestrians and crossings?

 

The law is quite clear: Cars must stop for pedestrians at a pedestrian crossing (zebra crossing).

 

 

However, there’s no point in being dead right..... 

[overt2016]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The law is quite clear: Cars must stop for pedestrians at a pedestrian crossing (zebra crossing).

 

 

However, there’s no point in being dead right..... 

Thanks for that.

Not being too much to ask could you quote the law number? thanks

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, overt2016 said:

Thanks for that.

Not being too much to ask could you quote the law number? thanks

 

It’s mostly covered in the Land Traffic Act section 22 (4) - which handles junctions and traffic lights and indicates that even if a car has a green light at a pedestrian crossing privilege must be given to the pedestrian. 

 

 

Land Traffic Act 1979: 

 

Section 22.

The driver must follow the traffic signal and traffic sign which appears ahead in the following cases:

(1) for amber light traffic signal, the driver must prepare to stop the conveyance behind the line drawn for stopping conveyance, in order to follow the next signal as mentioned in (2), except the conveyance which has gone beyond such line may go further ahead;

(2) for red light traffic signal, or red traffic sign with the word “stop”, the driver must stop the conveyance behind the line drawn for stopping conveyance;

(3) for green light traffic signal, or green traffic sign with the word “go”, the driver may go further ahead, unless otherwise determined by the traffic sign;

(4) for green arrow light traffic signal pointing to turn or to go ahead, or red light traffic signal shown at the same time with green arrow light traffic signal pointing to turn or to go ahead, the driver shall turn or go ahead following the direction pointed by the arrow, and must drive with care and give privilege to the pedestrian crossing the road or the conveyance coming from right hand side before;

 

Section 70. The driver who drives a conveyance reaching a junction, pedestrian crossing must slow down. Failure to comply can be fined up to 500THB [Section 148].

 

There is also the Ministerial Decree for Placing Traffic Signs and Signals on Roads 2020  (the link is in Thai - I can’t find a version in English).

Article 13 Sub-article B Paragraph 3 states that drivers must yield when approaching a pedestrian crossing so that they can stop without encroaching the crossing way if there is a pedestrian trying to cross. If there are no crossing signals or officer, pedestrians shall have right of way.

 

 

 

There is of course going to be some who disagree with the exact translation - but basically vehicles must give way to pedestrians at all time, but pedestrians can also be fined for crossing within 100m of a pedestrian crossing (section 104 Land Transport act).

[hotchilli]

16 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Whilst I don't disagree with you, the problem concerning pedestrian crossings is far bigger than them not being clearly marked.

 

People have been killed on the crossing at the junction of Sukhumvit Road and Soi's 3 & 4 by drivers going through at red - right in front of a manned police box!

There are no safe crossing points.... 

[overt2016]

9 hours ago, hotchilli said:

There are no safe crossing points.... 

Unfortunately that is true, but you would think that a country that wants

to get out of  a third world status would look at it????

[tifino]

take a shopping trolley everywhere you go... ???? 

 - at least the perps will cop a dent for their recalcitrance  

 

[soi3eddie]

6 hours ago, tifino said:

take a shopping trolley everywhere you go... ???? 

 - at least the perps will cop a dent for their recalcitrance  

 

 

Sadly in the UK, mums often do the same with their kids in pushchairs.