Popular Post snoop1130 Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 BANGKOK (NNT) - Chulalongkorn University’s Faculty of Medicine has reported that two doses of Sinovac in Thais help to stimulate over 50% immunity against COVID-19. The university worked with the Armed Forces Research Institute of Medical Sciences to conduct tests on people who had already received two Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine doses. According to Chulalongkorn University, the ELISA (Enzyme-linked Immunosorbent Assay) technique used in labs showed that 95% of 186 people, who had received two Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine doses, had already developed immunity to COVID-19. Meanwhile, blood tests also showed that 70% of 171 people, who had received two Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine doses over two weeks, had over 50% immunity against the virus. -- © Copyright NNT 2021-06-21 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 2 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 50 % is that good enough, and thats only 70% of 171 people that had two doses,. regards worgeordie 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post clivebaxter Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just confirming it's the least effective protection of available vaccines then, great 21 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crossy Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 Barely scrapes in to the WHO "effective" bracket. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mohinga Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 50% is the minumum required effectiveness required to be granted emergency use authorization (EUA). Sinovac was granted this by the WHO a couple of weeks ago. Meanwhile, Sputnik V, with over 90% effectiveness (the highest of all vaccines except for the mRNA ones) has yet to be granted EUA by either the WHO or the European agency. Politics paramount in all aspects of this pandemic and vaccines. AZ and J&J approved despite many serious risks being reported. Sinovac and Sinpharm approved with slightly more than mimium effectiveness. Then there's the question of the political stigmatization of anyone, including many doctors, who posit the possibility of hydroxychlorquine and Ivermectin as treatment... despite an abundance of anecdotal evidence. The fact that experimental treatments, such as the vaccines, cannot be granted EUA if there is an effective treatment available is not reported in the media. All that is stessed is that one must get the jab in order to be allowed some portion of the freedoms that we all once took for granted. I would opt for the Russian jab if it were available. But it is not. There are some rumours of it getting the WHO approval in the coming months. But, failing that, I would get one of the Chinese old school endovirus jabs. Maybe not very effective, but at least it would allow me to operate on a longer leash. At best they could potentially lessen the severity of symptoms if one were to get the virus. And the risk of serious side effects seems minimal. The same cannot be said for the 2 mRNA jabs. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, snoop1130 said: labs showed that 95% of 186 people, who had received two Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine doses, had already developed immunity to COVID-19. Meanwhile, blood tests also showed that 70% of 171 people, who had received two Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine doses over two weeks, had over 50% immunity against the virus. I'm lost................... so one test indicates 95% immunity, the other test 70% had immunity, but only 50% effective? What am I missing? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, clivebaxter said: Just confirming it's the least effective protection of available vaccines then, great Reports state that Sinovac is 78% effective against symptoms of Covid-19 The remaining 22% suffering mild to moderated symptoms. Reports suggest Sinovac is 100% effective again severe symptoms & death. The 50% reported indicates 50% of people exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus will not contract Covid-19 Sinovac is still a lot better than nothing. 15 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bkk6060 Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Reports state that Sinovac is 78% effective against symptoms of Covid-19 The remaining 22% suffering mild to moderated symptoms. Reports suggest Sinovac is 100% effective again severe symptoms & death. The 50% reported indicates 50% of people exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus will not contract Covid-19 Sinovac is still a lot better than nothing. More than 350 doctors and medical professionals have contracted Covid-19 in Indonesia despite the majority of healthcare workers having been immunized with Sinovac, officials said Thursday, just over a month after officials praised the shot for wiping out the disease among health workers. Dozens of these were hospitalized, officials added, leading experts to question the effectiveness of the Chinese shot, particularly against the infectious Delta variant fueling the country’s outbreak. I hope you are right but it does not look good. Several reports that it is not doing well against the variants. The majority of the cases here now are the UK and Indian variants. Almost 90% the UK variant. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disparate Dan Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, mohinga said: The fact that experimental treatments, such as the vaccines, cannot be granted EUA if there is an effective treatment available is not reported in the media. So how do you know? Direct line to EUA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubbaJohnny Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, bkk6060 said: More than 350 doctors and medical professionals have contracted Covid-19 in Indonesia despite the majority of healthcare workers having been immunized with Sinovac, officials said Thursday, just over a month after officials praised the shot for wiping out the disease among health workers. Dozens of these were hospitalized, officials added, leading experts to question the effectiveness of the Chinese shot, particularly against the infectious Delta variant fueling the country’s outbreak. I hope you are right but it does not look good. Several reports that it is not doing well against the variants. The majority of the cases here now are the UK and Indian variants. Almost 90% the UK variant. I am not disputing but where is your source that 90 here (meaning Thailand yes) is so called UK variant? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, RubbaJohnny said: I am not disputing but where is your source that 90 here (meaning Thailand yes) is so called UK variant? 90% UK variant. Around 9% Indian variant but now also 400 people found with South African variant. Its all sourced in recent threads just look it up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, snoop1130 said: Meanwhile, blood tests also showed that 70% of 171 people, who had received two Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine doses over two weeks, had over 50% immunity against the virus. which strain of the virus - again lack of detail makes this publication useless and is 50% really something impressive - I don't think so 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, mohinga said: 50% is the minumum required effectiveness required to be granted emergency use authorization (EUA). Sinovac was granted this by the WHO a couple of weeks ago. Meanwhile, Sputnik V, with over 90% effectiveness I thought the latest reports from Moscow were that a variant of Covid was raging in the city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwpage3 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 53 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Reports state that Sinovac is 78% effective against symptoms of Covid-19 The remaining 22% suffering mild to moderated symptoms. Reports suggest Sinovac is 100% effective again severe symptoms & death. The 50% reported indicates 50% of people exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus will not contract Covid-19 Sinovac is still a lot better than nothing. Not if you are in the opposite 50%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Reports state that Sinovac is 78% effective against symptoms of Covid-19 The remaining 22% suffering mild to moderated symptoms. Reports suggest Sinovac is 100% effective again severe symptoms & death. The 50% reported indicates 50% of people exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus will not contract Covid-19 Sinovac is still a lot better than nothing. Except now as it would appear in Indonesia where health workers are dying even after two jabs of sino. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, smedly said: which strain of the virus - again lack of detail makes this publication useless and is 50% really something impressive - I don't think so It means 50% will not get the disease at all............. the other 50% may have symptoms but won't be hospitalized or die, it doesn't mean that it failed to work in the other 50%.......so Sinovac might not be as good its other vaccines in preventing the disease, but still better than dying. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonltr Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 58 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Reports state that Sinovac is 78% effective against symptoms of Covid-19 The remaining 22% suffering mild to moderated symptoms. Reports suggest Sinovac is 100% effective again severe symptoms & death. The 50% reported indicates 50% of people exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus will not contract Covid-19 Sinovac is still a lot better than nothing. Ah! "Reports" That's it then. Accurate because of "reports" Reports without source, the media is full of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 40 minutes ago, bkk6060 said: More than 350 doctors and medical professionals have contracted Covid-19 in Indonesia despite the majority of healthcare workers having been immunized with Sinovac, officials said Thursday, just over a month after officials praised the shot for wiping out the disease among health workers. Dozens of these were hospitalized, officials added, leading experts to question the effectiveness of the Chinese shot, particularly against the infectious Delta variant fueling the country’s outbreak. I hope you are right but it does not look good. Several reports that it is not doing well against the variants. The majority of the cases here now are the UK and Indian variants. Almost 90% the UK variant. This is observed with other vaccines in other countries as well: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-delta-variant-is-serious-heres-why-its-on-the-rise In UK 31% of the new Delta variant cases which needed emergency care had at least 1 vaccine shot according to the link above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2 is 1 Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: Reports suggest Sinovac is 100% effective again severe symptoms & death. How much they pay you! Nothing is 100% effective! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said: How much they pay you! Nothing is 100% effective! My wife is 100% effective in spotting any mistakes I make. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If I flip a coin I have a 50% chance of it coming up heads (or tails). Looks like Sinovac effectiveness equals that of a coin flip. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted June 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Pib said: If I flip a coin I have a 50% chance of it coming up heads (or tails). Looks like Sinovac effectiveness equals that of a coin flip. That is a 50% chance of not displaying symptoms (not contracting the virus) and 100% (near as dammit) of not dying. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/17/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-under-scrutiny-as-covid-soars-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/?sh=102948201444 So effective! And how many need to go ICU or 6 feet under to see 100% effective against severe covid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman2543 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, bkk6060 said: More than 350 doctors and medical professionals have contracted Covid-19 in Indonesia despite the majority of healthcare workers having been immunized with Sinovac, officials said Thursday, just over a month after officials praised the shot for wiping out the disease among health workers. Dozens of these were hospitalized, officials added, leading experts to question the effectiveness of the Chinese shot, particularly against the infectious Delta variant fueling the country’s outbreak. I hope you are right but it does not look good. Several reports that it is not doing well against the variants. The majority of the cases here now are the UK and Indian variants. Almost 90% the UK variant. And it doesn't look much better in Chile where Sinovac is also the most used vakzin. https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801.amp?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16242761923302&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=Von %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-latin-america-56731801 Edited June 21, 2021 by hanuman2543 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/17/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-under-scrutiny-as-covid-soars-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/?sh=102948201444 So effective! And how many need to go ICU or 6 feet under to see 100% effective against severe covid. Two things.....firstly, the vaccine was developed to fight the original virus; not too sure what virus is dominant in these countries.......secondly, if it is only 50% effective you might expect 50% of those vaccinated to be ill (to varying degrees).... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, gearbox said: This is observed with other vaccines in other countries as well: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-delta-variant-is-serious-heres-why-its-on-the-rise In UK 31% of the new Delta variant cases which needed emergency care had at least 1 vaccine shot according to the link above. this ain't over (no matter how bad you want it to be) by a long shot. The world played the 'haves and have nots' vaccination wise for far too long and it's going to come back and bite em' real hard. This 50% protection is hell of a lot better than 0% protection that most of the poor countries have now, the Chinese with their distribution probably have saved many more lives than the late G7 effort will (after they were shamed into it) I believe the Chinese realize the 'world' needs the shots collectively for them to be truly effective, but unfortunately greed will prevent this.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 hours ago, clivebaxter said: Just confirming it's the least effective protection of available vaccines then, great By a long shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 The proof of all vaccines will be how many people get, die and get hospitalised after taking the companies vaccines. I've yet to see any country publishing figures on hospitalisations and deaths based on each company vaccines after 2 doses. Whish in my mind is crucial ! Just as possible Thailand could inject 100% and it turn out Sinovac puts more people in hospital than all the other vaccines combined - but since Thailand has injected virtually nobody yet once - let alone twice - we cannot see it yet. But it could be coming in a few months - wonder if Thailand could get its money back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCross Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 so 50% effective means its a coin toss if only there was a way to know which 50% group you are in.. ..before its too late ???? then you could go & get jabbed with a better vaccine ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieM Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Reports suggest Sinovac is 100% effective again severe symptoms & death. Absolute nonsense as usual... How you are allowed to be here spreading horse s*** like this on a daily basis, is beyond me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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