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most teachers in rural schools are employed either through 'adventure' intern programmes for one academic semester and have paid up to 1500 bucks for the privilege. or they're employed through an agency or they're employed in a rural school because they love Thailand, can speak Thai and really want to make a difference to people's lives and are prepared to make big material sacrifices to do so. If this teacher fits the last category, your child is lucky. However, using fake certificates is dangerous, unnecessary and silly.

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This is my first post, Thank you Thai Visa and all of your memebers for your support in educating me over the 2 years past, i have found all your input invaluable in making my decisions in preperation for a new career.

I am leaving my industry to teach english in asia ..namely Thailand to start, i would never be able to teach in australia as the education department and unions are fickle regarding qualifications (and probably rightly so). I have completed an 'online' degree from a USA 'online' university (a BA in another discipline). i hope to use it. i have also completed a thorough TEFL certification process. i will refuse to submit a police check and can provide an abundance of personal, checkable references. I do so very much hope i can get a teaching post in Thailand.. legally with a work permit, and yes for the opportunity i am only to happy to be paid 25,000 baht a month (especially since my Thai extends to about ten words.. mostly related to food items from my favorite Thai restaurant menu),  at least for the first year. firstly can anyone advise me if i will have any problems getting a post given the above?

secondly(i could not resist the urge to reply here because i feel very strongly 

bout this issue,

 Although i do not mean to flame any one individual)

i am appaled that anyone wanting to teach young minds would deceive, if i had children i would share your concern as what kind of role model is this person going to be if they are willing to defraud. regardless of wether or not the person is good at teaching them English, school age children are impressionable and they need to be led by honest people, that is only my personal belief (all be it a very common one) and if i was a parent i would share your concern grately.

I would like to say that , using myself as an example, have gone to great lengths to research, study and obtain the paperwork necessary, (degree+ TEFL etc) to teach. If people are allowed to defraud and blag their way through, what point is there? in fact what point is there in any of you having any qualifications whatsoever?, especialy for you guys with Dip eds and the like, hucksters will surely only take away and damage your industry devoiding the value of your own hard earned qualifications 

(no wonder wages are so low)and the teaching industry.

I dont know about you guys, and i admit i havent taught yet, nor have i yet even been to Thailand (hahaha knowing this site i may well cop a lot for this as you wil cons

der me naive and

 given i probably am) though my flight is booked. I consider it a huge honour to teach children/ teens/ adults. rememeber every single one of us is in our own way also an ambasadoor for our countrys and in our own small way the way we are represented to the Thai national (especially in case teaching children) wil stick in these peoples/students minds for the rest of their life. Why did i even bother with getting the documents i need if people inside the industry are willing to defend those who are obvious cheats of the system, what does that say about our level of concern for the quality of education? For those Thai who pay for lessons, at the price they pay compared to the average Thai wage, they DESERVE to get someone who knows what they are talking about, especially when it comes to advanced language. If you support or protect those who commit crime, in this case fraud you are guilty by association.

I apreciate that I may be naive and perhaps even ignorant of a situation i have not yet experienced however, Your teaching children, please , please be honest.

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Welcome--a good post.

I think the point being made by a few (myself included), is not that it is either right or acceptable to fake creditials--it isn't. It is easy in Thailand, too easy and thus too tempting. It is certainly OK to question the integrity of such people, but as a very general rule, I wouldn't assume they are hardened criminals fleeing interpol.

You shouldn't have any trouble finding a job in Thailand, but--at least in the area where I work--the police clearance is essential. The paperwork comes back like a boomarang without it.

Best of luck to you.

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For............ Walterego

Can you clarify what US Uni online degree and what is the Institutes name?

Reason i ask is that Chonburi province MoE are now in possesssion of a list of Uni,s that are NOT acceptable to them. ( whether they act on that is another matter ) This includes all the " Degree Mills " and other institutes that are not accredited to issue legit degrees.

You may find it difficult to get the initial Non Imm B Visa from an overseas consulate / Embassy if you are applying for employment as a teacher in Thailand. This is because a lot of European countries ( not sure about the US ) are now stating that a current Police Check is a requirement before issue of such visa.

I,m not quite sure why you would want to refuse to have one given that your post is quite specific about honesty and integrity as a teacher for children?

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I teach my daughters English myself, a lot better than any well qualified teacher could do.

That's an astonishing statement.

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Stevemiddie: Thanks for the update on your area. I have been wondering if they were ever going to get around to figuring out about accredited vs non-accredited universities. I know that in the US there are a number of Bible colleges that aren't accredited, I don't know which ones though.

We had two teachers who came from a Bible college. I doubt that it was accredited, but they did get non-immigrant B visas and they were good teachers.

You might want to post your info on Qualifications revisited on the teaching thread and any other information that you might have.

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I teach my daughters English myself, a lot better than any well qualified teacher could do.

That's an astonishing statement.

I agree. I don,t think you have actually been around any " well qualified teachers "

Still...............all the best with it. You are doing what you believe to be the best for your daughter so you cannot be faulted for that.

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I teach my daughters English myself, a lot better than any well qualified teacher could do.

That's an astonishing statement.

I am probably being a bit thick here, but I don't see what is "astonishing" about a parent being better at teaching children English than any teacher. (if the parent is a Native or Fluent Speaker).

Regarding OP, I would not worry about the teacher being fired for having a fake degree. I would worry more that they lying about the reason for his / her sudden departure. Probably discovered fiddling with the school goat, or he brought Noi from Nana to the PTA :o

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I teach my daughters English myself, a lot better than any well qualified teacher could do.

That's an astonishing statement.

I agree. I don,t think you have actually been around any " well qualified teachers "

Still...............all the best with it. You are doing what you believe to be the best for your daughter so you cannot be faulted for that.

What I mean is that I can teach them better as I have them around me all the time.

I was in the business for years, of course I've been around well qualified teachers. I'm well qualified myself.

Also, the better the qualifications the teacher has doesn't seem to have much bearing on whether or not they can teach, in Thailand anyway. The guys with the PhD and MA in Tesol can't usually keep a job with out it. Usually guys who go back to get it in later life(ie over 35)

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Astonishing to read the replies above either accepting the fake degree position with a 'mai pen rai, TIT' attitude, or even going so far as to say 'if the classes were ok, then theres nothing wrong.' Unbelievable.

If you dicovered that your financial advisor/Doctor was working with false credentials would the reaction and reasoning be the same?

Children, and my daughter in particular (obviously!) are our future, like the cliche says. As they spend more time in school than with their parents, then we are entrusting the better part of their education to those teachers. We are basically entrusting their future lives to those same teachers to some degree. I know that i will only entrust the education of my daughter to truly qualified and gifted teachers. Indeed, she goes to a cheaper school here in Bangkok because after grilling the teachers, and observing classes from the exterior of the classroom i found the standard of teaching to be much greater than the very beautiful (facility wise) and better equipped school that is 100m from our home.

Bottom line here is that our kids are special, and i want only special (read qualified in educational practices, enthusiastic, honest and caring) people to be around me daughter. Im sure other parents feel the same.

So, for those guys posting above (maybe the fake qualification topic hit a nerve??) i think that might outline the OP's feelings somewhat for you.

For other parents concerned, i suggest you do the same as i and subtly grill your kids teachers. They are freely available whenever you need to meet them, and getting into personal conversation after/while discussing your kids latest homework can reveal much.

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I teach my daughters English myself, a lot better than any well qualified teacher could do.

That's an astonishing statement.

I agree. I don,t think you have actually been around any " well qualified teachers "

Still...............all the best with it. You are doing what you believe to be the best for your daughter so you cannot be faulted for that.

What I mean is that I can teach them better as I have them around me all the time.

I was in the business for years, of course I've been around well qualified teachers. I'm well qualified myself.

Also, the better the qualifications the teacher has doesn't seem to have much bearing on whether or not they can teach, in Thailand anyway. The guys with the PhD and MA in Tesol can't usually keep a job with out it. Usually guys who go back to get it in later life(ie over 35)

Ok, I get it now. At first I took it as a statement of superiority, but I do realize that time is of the essence in language instruction--the more time the student spends using the target language the better. The parent has the best opportunity to spend the most hours helping the children acquire the language.

My mistake was that I just took it as a statement like "I'm the best teacher in the world." That is not how you meant it, Neeranam, and I apologize for misunderstanding your meaning.

I also agree with your statement that impressive degrees do not necessarily make a good teacher.

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Deportation should be the punishment of choice for foreigners faking teacher qualifications. Being merely dismissed is, in my opinion, far too lenient. It is not acceptable under any circumstances to fake qualifications to obtain employment.

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Astonishing to read the replies above either accepting the fake degree position with a \'mai pen rai, TIT\' attitude, or even going so far as to say \'if the classes were ok, then theres nothing wrong.\' Unbelievable.

If you dicovered that your financial advisor/Doctor was working with false credentials would the reaction and reasoning be the same?

Children, and my daughter in particular (obviously!) are our future, like the cliche says. As they spend more time in school than with their parents, then we are entrusting the better part of their education to those teachers. We are basically entrusting their future lives to those same teachers to some degree. I know that i will only entrust the education of my daughter to truly qualified and gifted teachers. Indeed, she goes to a cheaper school here in Bangkok because after grilling the teachers, and observing classes from the exterior of the classroom i found the standard of teaching to be much greater than the very beautiful (facility wise) and better equipped school that is 100m from our home.

Bottom line here is that our kids are special, and i want only special (read qualified in educational practices, enthusiastic, honest and caring) people to be around me daughter. Im sure other parents feel the same.

So, for those guys posting above (maybe the fake qualification topic hit a nerve??) i think that might outline the OP\'s feelings somewhat for you.

For other parents concerned, i suggest you do the same as i and subtly grill your kids teachers. They are freely available whenever you need to meet them, and getting into personal conversation after/while discussing your kids latest homework can reveal much.

I dont condone anyone for using a fake degree and if they are caught then they deserve to have the book thrown at them because they are breaking the law. But you are in a dreamworld if you think your daughter is getting a quality education at her Thai school from quality educated Thai teachers, especially the Thai English teachers. You actually have to be working at a school to really appreciate what goes on and much of it is quite laughable, corrupt, uncaring with little enthusiasm unless money is to be made. This IS Thailand and this IS the way it is for most students at school. A caring teacher using a fake to stay in the country is better than a abuser with a real degree. The one teacher i knew using a fake only did so to be legal and I think many teachers were forced down that route and not because they were criminals. To me If you really care you would educate your daughter outside of Thailand but you choose to stay for what ever reasons you do and like so many other parents you are trying to do the best for your daughter in an extemely flawed education system. Take a reality check!

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Astonishing to read the replies above either accepting the fake degree position with a 'mai pen rai, TIT' attitude, or even going so far as to say 'if the classes were ok, then theres nothing wrong.' Unbelievable.

If you dicovered that your financial advisor/Doctor was working with false credentials would the reaction and reasoning be the same?

Children, and my daughter in particular (obviously!) are our future, like the cliche says. As they spend more time in school than with their parents, then we are entrusting the better part of their education to those teachers. We are basically entrusting their future lives to those same teachers to some degree. I know that i will only entrust the education of my daughter to truly qualified and gifted teachers. Indeed, she goes to a cheaper school here in Bangkok because after grilling the teachers, and observing classes from the exterior of the classroom i found the standard of teaching to be much greater than the very beautiful (facility wise) and better equipped school that is 100m from our home.

Bottom line here is that our kids are special, and i want only special (read qualified in educational practices, enthusiastic, honest and caring) people to be around me daughter. Im sure other parents feel the same.

So, for those guys posting above (maybe the fake qualification topic hit a nerve??) i think that might outline the OP's feelings somewhat for you.

For other parents concerned, i suggest you do the same as i and subtly grill your kids teachers. They are freely available whenever you need to meet them, and getting into personal conversation after/while discussing your kids latest homework can reveal much.

Thanks for the support. I, by chance, bumped into one of the young teachers at the school. He was polite and obviously reasonably educated; he mentioned in passing his time at university. I mentioned the fate of his former colleague and he said one of the other teachers was an obvious fraudster; 58 and a retired lorry driver . In the UK only around 5% of his (and my) generation went to university so to claim to have attained a degree and pursued career as a bloody trucker is obsurd! I intend to persue this matter. All the Dads out there will understand where I am coming from.

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