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aussiestyle, I hope we're not being too harsh on bruceboy here; he is trying to do what he understands is best, as a concerned parent. I'm not condoning any lawbreaking; it's immoral to lie about having credentials you don't have for an important job like teaching.

Sorry for the way we said it, bruceboy. You have legitimate concerns.

Thanks PeaceBlondie. A parent worrying about whether their child's teacher has had even a simple police background check is a legitimate concern. I honestly can't understand the hostility this thread has brought. Why is a parent wanting to know if teachers at their child's school have criminal records or fake degrees in anyway controversial? This is Thailand indeed...

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bruceboy, it's not that the teachers who are here as farang are afraid of police checks. We are in favor of the Thai educational system having a rational, workable method by which teachers can be screened for criminal records. As you can read on this forum, however, such a system does not exist, and will not exist, because the Thais don't do things like that thoroughly, in most cases. Also, the simple fact that the teacher lied about his academic record doesn't necessarily mean he's a criminal. Vice versa - a graduate such as John Mark Carr might be a criminal or insane.

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Not controversial, but OP seems either disingenuous, or dangerously naive. From the sound of the opening post, the school is not exactly one of the blueblood international schools of the countryside (there are one or two), and most likely is paying 25-30K (peanuts) for teachers. Probably they don't even have work permits (which means they're working illegally anyway and therefore are "criminals.") If he cares that much about his child's education, why is he putting the child in such a school?

Ultimate responsibility lies with the parents, not the schools.

"Steven"

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Also, the simple fact that the teacher lied about his academic record doesn't necessarily mean he's a criminal. Vice versa - a graduate such as John Mark Carr might be a criminal or insane.

I know. Thank you again for your advice Peaceblondie. Just because a man doesn't send his children to elite private schools it doesn't mean he doesn't care. Or have the right to worry about his child's welfare. After all a school is the legal guardian of a child while they are in attendance and on the premises. :o

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We've argued too much already, so some further posts have been deleted. We know we disagree, and we will keep civil. No insults.

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The phrase, 'out of the frying pan, into the fire', come to mind. I think you'll find these, ill-qualified 'teachers' are only teaching, for their yearly visa's. Once you've got rid of these fraudsters, you might end up with 'fully qualified' thai teachers, teaching hinglish.

Then you're fuc%ed. Pardon my french.

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The phrase, 'out of the frying pan, into the fire', come to mind. I think you'll find these, ill-qualified 'teachers' are only teaching, for their yearly visa's. Once you've got rid of these fraudsters, you might end up with 'fully qualified' thai teachers, teaching hinglish.

Then you're fuc%ed. Pardon my french.

That's not French; it's Anglo Saxon. :o

Ijustwannateach predicted long ago that all these ridiculous requirements for teachers would eliminate some unqualified teachers, drive far more of them further underground but still teaching, and that the requirements would scare away some fairly well qualified, diligent teachers. The net result, sure enough, is that the children suffer or they don't receive instruction in English by native speakers. The Thai education system was messed up before Anna Leonowens arrived in Bangkok in the 1860's, and hasn't progressed enough yet.

Some sincere and diligent native speaking teachers of English have minimal qualifications, enough to be teaching conversational English to Thai children who will never become fluent. They're not all here just for visas or sex or booze. But it appears there is a much bigger shortage of farang English teachers than there was a few years ago.

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A teacher at my daughters rural school has been caught with fake qualifications. He has been given two weeks to leave the country. However I am worried that other teachers at the school are working illegally and have not been though any of the checks now demanded by the Thai government. What can a concerned step father do to ensure no more criminal teachers find work at my daughters school? I have met with the Kru Yai to discuss this issue beofre but she seemed not to understand the laws and regulations that apply to foreign teachers.

So, these "criminals" where teaching your daughter, you didn't know and everything was ok!!

Now the same people seem to have no qualifications and suddenly you're worried?

The Thai governments' requirement is a university degree, at least a BA of any kind.........of any kind. A bachelor in German is teaching your kid maybe English!!!!

Main point is: is your step daughter happy and is she learning something? If yes, stop worrying!!

I dont agree with you.

If a person is good in teaching then why does not he get a real degree while keeping his job on fake degree. Its very easy to get a degree and continue your profession as such.

I am 32 and I am still getting more qualifications and degrees. If I can do it then anyone else can do it, coz I am the laziest person on this earth. :o

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It is quite possible that this guy may well just be working on a TEFL, and has not broken any laws as of present. I don't have a problem with teachers working without degrees if they are good at teaching.

The problem I have, is when they are submitting false documentation such as degrees to secure a position.

There are lots of good teachers who don't have degree's who are working here, it's just that they don't get the better paid jobs because they have some morals not to submit BS.

I think Brucie may just be on a bit of a personal mission.

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A teacher at my daughters rural school has been caught with fake qualifications. He has been given two weeks to leave the country. However I am worried that other teachers at the school are working illegally and have not been though any of the checks now demanded by the Thai government. What can a concerned step father do to ensure no more criminal teachers find work at my daughters school? I have met with the Kru Yai to discuss this issue beofre but she seemed not to understand the laws and regulations that apply to foreign teachers.

Well, i can sense your worries. However, if the Thais could stop looking at the colour of the skin, then your daughter could get qualified teachers from all parts of the world. Of course this has to do with the Ministry of Education of Thailand and Immigration Department which classified only the native speakers can teach in Thailand.

Do Thais really need native speaker in the classroom to sense the "nativeness" ? BBC world service is broadcasting 24 hours as well as the website http://www.bbc.co.uk is online round the clock.

I wish you could talk to more parents and pressurise the government to change the rules to pay the Thai teachers better and more 1st grade teachers are trained besides the pressures for the teachers training universities to change the syllbles as well.

The world is small now and colours of skin do not play a role in the education. White is better than tanned ? M Jackson is the only one that need that feeling.

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There's certainly a wide array of offenses of various kinds in various countries. Technically speaking, in certain U.S. states, it's still an imprisonable offense to have consensual oral sex, even with your wife or husband. One would hope that the Thai government will take a common-sense attitude towards the police checks and target them more towards crimes of violence and crimes against children. It seems likely, though, that they will never tell us what the goalposts are and leave themselves free to hedge their bets.

Personally, teachers are probably the easiest group to target, simply because most other countries also require teachers to pass background checks before they're left in charge of children. So if a school is genuinely hiring qualified teachers, they'll already have the documentation. And there's the second point that immigration have the opportunity to check teachers, as they go through the visa and work permit process.

And having the background checks will hopefully get the people who'd fail one to not apply for teaching jobs here.

i.e. There's no way immigration can check all the tourists, and do you think they'll start checking the retirees? Teachers, and maybe later, other people applying for work permits, are a lot easier to check.

As an aside, using US laws is always a bad example.. State laws in particular, like unaccompanied children being able to buy ammunition (with a letter from their parents).

My own personal favourite is that, in the land of the "free?", it's illegal to buy a DVD and copy the film on it onto your Ipod - which virtually every other country in the western world deems, quite obviously, as fair use. (It's no wonder that so many people are imprisoned in the US)

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Good point PB. I was asked to submit a false doccument by my school, I just told them no. I said I dont have a degree and I wouldn't work on false qualifications. They ended up getting me a WP anyway without a degree. I proably should have found a better school, but I realised that I will proably be asked to do the same thing at most schools that would be prepared to accept me anyway. I am glad I worked at that school but if I never tried just because the school asked me to do a bad thing, I most likely would have never ended up working in LOS.

I applaud assiestyle1983, this is the attitude I would wish for.

I do not understand the hostility in your other posts, anyone with integrity would not resort to lying or faking qualifications.

My point again:

If someone is prepared to committ fraud, then what does this say about their character? What else is he hiding? Thailand attracts all sorts of people and noone knows their background. The Thai government is doing the right thing checking on teachers' qualifications, and I intend to aid this in my capacity as a concerned parent.

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Well, good luck with that. If you can get most of the other parents at your school on board you might have a chance.

"Steven"

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Same as above. You are justified in what you do as a parent.

I agree that aussiestyle is somewhat incorrect in his beliefs................but there again...........i never understood their desire for Fosters lager. Go figure huh?

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IMHO Bruce is correct in worrying about how his education dollar is spent. I have been teaching English in Thailand and neighbouring countries for close to 10 years and it is a business riddled with corruption. Here are my observations of the A,B,Cs of the biz. First you have 'A' the demand and 'C' the supply who are not going to connect without 'B' the greedy business person who knows nothing about teaching and often nothing about English. Mr. B prefers the unqualified populist teacher because the students do too. He goes out of his way to keep the students happy. I had one Mr. B tell me that I must observe Tom because he is a good teacher and the students are lined up to register in his class. Tom did everything that I was told not to do in my two TEFL courses. When trained teachers make lesson plans they are focusing on what the student will learn and not only if the student will enjoy this and will they like me. Although learning a language is an inexact science there exist empirical methodologies that one can only learn by attending a TEFL course. Tom informed me before the class that using contractions in his class was strictly forbidden because he 'felt' that the students should use full words. He started the 50 minute lesson by asking each student what they did that day. They spoke for 30 seconds and his comments were 3 minutes. He felt that the air should constantly be filled with English because they are learning to listen. Finally, he had a reading exercise where each student stood and read a paragraph aloud and Tom corrected their pronunciation. The students had no idea what they were reading. Tom was a hard working man and the students loved him.

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