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I've seen some behaviour recently following a horrific suicide discovery that has told me something profound about the character of some expats. I won't go into detail but I am guessing as I have only been here a year many of you have already figured this out.

Thailand seems to be a refuge for expat cowards. A heaven for people whose stones were either so small in their native land or got so severely stomped on while there.. that the come here to pretend to be real men in a world where the standards are obviously lower, or at best, where the criteria is much more easily met.

With this new discovery I find myself thinking this explains thai's oppinions of Farrang by and large and makes me wonder about spending too much time here. I don't expect this to make me popular but I have seen so many people that I would not want to become like it's giving me itchy feet... :o

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I've seen some behaviour recently following a horrific suicide discovery that has told me something profound about the character of some expats. I won't go into detail but I am guessing as I have only been here a year many of you have already figured this out.

Thailand seems to be a refuge for expat cowards. A heaven for people whose stones were either so small in their native land or got so severely stomped on while there.. that the come here to pretend to be real men in a world where the standards are obviously lower, or at best, where the criteria is much more easily met.

With this new discovery I find myself thinking this explains thai's oppinions of Farrang by and large and makes me wonder about spending too much time here. I don't expect this to make me popular but I have seen so many people that I would not want to become like it's giving me itchy feet... :D

I think Thailand is a haven for all types of people . The ones you mention are out there as well as normal people as well as criminals . Choose your friends carefully . Filter out the undesirables .

Works for me :o

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I don't know that I'd call them cowards. Maybe pathetic and desperate would be a better description. Unfortunately some people burn their bridges back to their home countries. They then run out of luck and out of money leaving themselves few choices.

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Upset and Angry. Sorry if it offended. don't know how to get yesterday horrific images out of my head. Really feel for the guy and his family. Some other people out here though are not the full shilling and that as much as anything has been driven home in these trying times.

Thailand seems to be a great place to harvest a Napoleonic complex...

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Loz

First of all it must have been horrible to witness what you did discover,but he did it for whatever reason a reason only known to him RIP.

Your anger is understandable but all farang cowards?

Time is a healer so they say i pray that you will find this.

regards

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Loz

First of all it must have been horrible to witness what you did discover,but he did it for whatever reason a reason only known to him RIP.

Your anger is understandable but all farang cowards?

Time is a healer so they say i pray that you will find this.

regards

Tend to agree with "binnsy". I don't think I could "stomach" what you just went thru and it really had to be a terrible thing for you (or anyone else me thinks).

But really, categorizing "most" Farangs in Thailand as cowards seems a bit over the top. And I don't know what crowd of Thai's you hang with, but I do question your insinuation that the Thai's have a low opinion (bad feelings) for Farang in Thailand. Sure, maybe a few do, but as a generaliztion.....come on.

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Ken/ Binnsy,

First of all, note the apology for the orriginal post which I could not edit when I had calmed a little.

Second. I never said ALL farang. And most importantly, this is not about the chap who died. Its about things that happend or were said after.

Ken,

The crowd of thai's I "hang with" (great choice of phrase given yesterdays discovery...) are varied but about 50% are long serving education professionals from various institutions. Others and younger mixed background members of the same bike club. the rest a mixture of mostly middle class business owners military officers and goverment officers. When the topic of "you should get a girlfriend" comes up almost all will admit that if their family is of any standing, they would rather their daughters dated/married a thai guy. There is a negative association that lurks around thai/farang couplings and marriages that you don't need me to spell out. The kind of families that don't make demands of buffalo or new pick ups for the farm or roofs for the aging domicile... These families behind closed doors admit that they prefer thai/thai or thai/thai chinese relationships as nobody will will make possibly unfair judgements about either party. The economy may be under-developed, but their brains are working just fine and they can see what is happening to the values in their country. Some are not too happy with what others term progress.

I can't really believe any of the above is news to people who have been here a few times or lived here a while. Don't mean to sound to retaliatory. And again, no offence meant, just explaining those areas called into question.

orriginal apology still stands though.

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Ken/ Binnsy,

First of all, note the apology for the orriginal post which I could not edit when I had calmed a little.

Second. I never said ALL farang. And most importantly, this is not about the chap who died. Its about things that happend or were said after.

Ken,

The crowd of thai's I "hang with" (great choice of phrase given yesterdays discovery...) are varied but about 50% are long serving education professionals from various institutions. Others and younger mixed background members of the same bike club. the rest a mixture of mostly middle class business owners military officers and goverment officers. When the topic of "you should get a girlfriend" comes up almost all will admit that if their family is of any standing, they would rather their daughters dated/married a thai guy. There is a negative association that lurks around thai farang marriages that you don't need me to spell out. The kind of families that don't make demands of buffalo or new pick ups for the farm or roofs for the aging domicile... These families behind closed doors admit that they prefer thai/thai or thai/thai chinese relationships as nobody will will make possibly unfair judgements about either party. The economy may be under-developed, but their brains are working just fine and they can see what is happening to the values in their country. Some are too happy with what others term progress.

I can't really believe any of the above is news to people who have been here a few times or lived here a while. Don't mean to sound to retaliatory. And again, no offence meant, just explaining those areas called into question.

orriginal apology still stands though.

Loz

No need for an apology

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I've seen some behaviour recently following a horrific suicide discovery that has told me something profound about the character of some expats. I won't go into detail but I am guessing as I have only been here a year many of you have already figured this out.

Thailand seems to be a refuge for expat cowards. A heaven for people whose stones were either so small in their native land or got so severely stomped on while there.. that the come here to pretend to be real men in a world where the standards are obviously lower, or at best, where the criteria is much more easily met.

With this new discovery I find myself thinking this explains thai's oppinions of Farrang by and large and makes me wonder about spending too much time here. I don't expect this to make me popular but I have seen so many people that I would not want to become like it's giving me itchy feet... :D

How would you define a coward ?? would be interesting to know :o

Tilapia.

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if their family is of any standing, they would rather their daughters dated/married a thai guy. There is a negative association that lurks around thai/farang couplings and marriages that you don't need me to spell out...The economy may be under-developed, but their brains are working just fine and they can see what is happening to the values in their country.

So as I understand it you have switched from calling Farang in Thailand cowards and are now saying that Thais secretly despise them? I am not so sure that is all accurate. Certainly Thais from the upper class marry with Farangs at a very high rate and get very good press for it for the most part. In my experience someone (from any society) who was raised around money and well educated, is not easily confused with someone just off the farm and the elite seem to be especially adept at discerning their own.

What your talking about would only be of any concern to those in the middle class (educators, military professionals and small business owners) that have daughters who might be of a questionable reputation wouldn't it?

When I see someone who can move between critzisms of the same "type" of people so easily it starts to smell less like "common knolwedge" and closer to something more rancid. Yea most people (from any culture) can figure out which way the wind blows but in my experience pleas about "saving our culture" and diminishing "values" are often just thinnly veiled racism or a similar form o hate. I hope whatever you have seen has not jaded you to the degree the bitterness of your writting indicates.

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Loz

It takes all kinds to make a world and in the normal course of life you may rub shoulders with some characters by circumstance rather than desire when living away from your own country.

I would not argue with what you say about the opinion "some" thais have of farangs and quite honestly after some of the behaviour you witness or have thrust upon you, who would blame them, but once again this applies conversely too.

Of course all this is magnified by the size and population of Thailand it could be renamed Sardineland which to most would be self explanatory, the poor soul who "jumped off the perch" (no pun intended) obviously felt life had become to difficult unfortunately his cries or signs for assistance were either not loud enough or ignored lets hope he is in a better place.

For those who think the OP hasn't experienced the various sides of life even though I have only met the man once he is a genuine Joe.

Well I must be away over to the workshop and check on my Besonda, gooday to all especially Loz keep your pecker up.

Mijan24 (Brian)

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So as I understand it you have switched from calling Farang in Thailand cowards and are now saying that Thais secretly despise them?

No, Read the original post where BOTH statements were made. No swtich, just a little clarification.

...When I see someone who can move between critzisms of the same "type" of people so easily it starts to smell less like "common knolwedge" and closer to something more rancid. Yea most people (from any culture) can figure out which way the wind blows but in my experience pleas about "saving our culture" and diminishing "values" are often just thinnly veiled racism or a similar form o hate. I hope whatever you have seen has not jaded you to the degree the bitterness of your writting indicates.

again, not moving between the two. Just made two observations.

as for how I define coward.

I'll take the Cambridge University Press Deffinition:

a person who is too eager to avoid danger, difficulty or pain

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On a lighter note...

Mijan24,

Thanks for the character ref. I hope you are enjoying tinkering with the bike.

Loz

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Maybe stop hanging around with so many narrow minded people, it might be catchy...

Also as I did not see the original post, I have no idea what you are talking about as far as cowards goes ??

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Not sure what it is you are trying to say but I suppose a recent tragedy has occasioned some sort of epiphany you wish to share but the focus of this remains blurred presumably out of some compelling need for circumspection.

But to spout some banality as if it were the greatest profundity does not necessarily add much to the sum total of what you may believe quantifies the human condition.

Cowardice is nothing to be ashamed of and, to be honest, probably constitutes the bedrock of the human psyche bent upon survival in a world utterly unreliable save for the leaving of it. Shirking pain and suffering occurs to me to be a sound strategy and one I always recommend to others unbridled by masochistic urges. Perhaps you belong to that group which believes clinging to illusions fostered by social convention is somehow honourable and that we should care about what others may think of us even if were to include some abstract Thai " chorus ". Personally, I no longer seek such approbation and would rather find solace in some transient comfort.....no long term solution but it seems to pass the time of day.

Nothing matters very much and generally very little matters at all.........

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