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OK Loz you had brought up both points already. I think there may be some validity to each of them though in my experience I haven't seen that ether are as perdominant as you make out. You should give speific examples of the type of behaviour you are talking about instead of being so vague. This way someone might debate you on points.

As for myself one of the reasons I no longer stay in my homecountry has to do with it's over zelous approach to solveing any problem with fighting and war so I must surley be counted amoung your cowards right?

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!" Albert Einstien.

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yeah,

I was probably just talking cobblers. Thanks for some alternative points of view. "The Gent" certainly has a colourful turn of phrase.

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OK Loz you had brought up both points already. I think there may be some validity to each of them though in my experience I haven't seen that ether are as perdominant as you make out. You should give speific examples of the type of behaviour you are talking about instead of being so vague. This way someone might debate you on points.

As for myself one of the reasons I no longer stay in my homecountry has to do with it's over zelous approach to solveing any problem with fighting and war so I must surley be counted amoung your cowards right?

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!" Albert Einstien.

Great quote! The coward of cowards. Thanks for the atom bomb. (just kidding...would've happened without him.)

A lot of guys in Isaan are just retired old farts doing exactly what they'd be doing at home--looking for a safe place to have a dram and chat with friends. They live here because they get more for their money. Many of them put a roof over people's heads and definitely contribute to the economy in a passive manner. Calling people cowards for wanting a simple life isn't a very nice thing to do, Loz. Your dictionary definition "a person who is too eager to avoid danger, difficulty or pain" is ok, but the flaw lies in the adverb "too." Who makes that judgement?

Vision makes a good point, and he and I are probably very much on the same page when it comes to our reasons for being here. I can tell you that I voted with my feet. I could've stayed back home and fought the good fight, trying to convince others of the things I see, but when something is so very big and beyond the ears and common sense of the folks around you your perseverence MUST yield to the futility of it all. Just like this argument of yours.

Sorry about hanged man--tough break.

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I just heard about this yesterday, Loz, but not about you needing to go there. My sympathy to you in this time of great stress. Disillusionment is good, but not pleasant.

It might be that Korat attracts a more eccentric (dysfunctional?) expat. It might be the number of men who moved to this area because their wives are from here and the ladies keep them firmly under their thumb. (yes, they need to grow a pair, as you pointed out) I have seen examples of both in my year here. I have no experience with the teacher population here, my social circle and yours don't seem to really intersect except at one local watering hole. Korat has a small population of expat Americans compared to expat Europeans. So that may be part of it, plus the lingering presence of the usually alcoholic Vietnam era vets who chose to stay or to come back here. There's a nice image to present...

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I've seen some behaviour recently following a horrific suicide discovery that has told me something profound about the character of some expats. I won't go into detail but I am guessing as I have only been here a year many of you have already figured this out.

Thailand seems to be a refuge for expat cowards. A heaven for people whose stones were either so small in their native land or got so severely stomped on while there.. that the come here to pretend to be real men in a world where the standards are obviously lower, or at best, where the criteria is much more easily met.

With this new discovery I find myself thinking this explains thai's oppinions of Farrang by and large and makes me wonder about spending too much time here. I don't expect this to make me popular but I have seen so many people that I would not want to become like it's giving me itchy feet... :o

I am sure your

'boots were made for walking' ... have a nice trip :D

certainly a bold move for your itchy feet!

Then again you could try an anti-fungal

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It's about time you gents had a quick refresh of the TV rules. If you can't be civil, best to be quiet:

"2) Posting another members personal details, photos or web site details is forbidden and will result in being banned. Excessive, aggressive posts against other members, moderators and admin; or flaming will not be tolerated. 'Flaming' is best defined as posting or responding to a message in a way clearly intended to incite useless arguments, rants, and/or for launching personal attacks, insulting, being hateful, useless criticism, name calling, swearing and other bad behavior or comments meant to incite anger."

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The way i see it mate is live YOUR life the way you want to and dont worry about the rest bud

Life's too short to give thought about cowards ,where they live , dwell what they do or desire etc ,you get my drift

:o

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It's about time you gents had a quick refresh of the TV rules. If you can't be civil, best to be quiet:

"2) Posting another members personal details, photos or web site details is forbidden and will result in being banned. Excessive, aggressive posts against other members, moderators and admin; or flaming will not be tolerated. 'Flaming' is best defined as posting or responding to a message in a way clearly intended to incite useless arguments, rants, and/or for launching personal attacks, insulting, being hateful, useless criticism, name calling, swearing and other bad behavior or comments meant to incite anger."

Then where to settle certain issues ? ? in the PM ?? :o Mea-Culpa.

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The choice of where on this planet to call home and the term “coward” are as related as the type of automobile one chooses to own and what sport team one favors.

So based on the OP theory, Brits who choose to live in Thailand instead of the UK are selecting an easier life because they could not make it in the UK, right? What makes Thailand easier to survive in than the UK beside the obvious financial differences? Are there less homicides, bombings, fatal automobile accidents, muggings, ect in Thailand when compared to the UK?

So along the same lines, all the people in the US that retire to sunny Florida from New York and elsewhere are cowards as well since their dollar goes further. Could it be that they are simply smarter than the ones that opt to stay and endure the horrible winters while scrapping by on a retirement income.

I personally feel that if one needs to equate a level of bravery with their place of residence, I am sure that there is some prime real estate available in Baghdad or some other war torn area of the world.

I consider one to be fairly brave to move to a land where few speak your language, adopt a new usually larger family and support them in one way or another. This usually entails someone that is beyond the age of big moves it seems (retired) and then to add to the level of difficulty there is usually a younger wife involved which is no easy thing task to handle in any country. How can one consider any of these men cowards if even only basing it on the new wife portion? :o

What a silly topic. I am not even sure why I am posting as I am only adding to the silliness.

Mike in Seattle

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You know I don't think it is possible to have a good life based on others standards, Thai or Farrang I try to live my life based on my personality and what I'm finding is the people who should be in my life are there Thai and Farrang.

We all in our lifes experience fear and courage, in the end we are just people.

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You know I think tarring everyone with the same brush. i.e. cowards is over simplifying matters. OK I appreciate your honesty in calling a spade a spade, but why are you here?

Maybe your running away from twin maintenance problems back home, seeking refuge!!

Most of the farangs I have chosen as friends here I would not clasify as cowards, however I do choose my friends carefully - you make Thailand sound very black, but it isn't and shouldn't be.

As for the standards being lower here, I would consider most Thais kind gentle, honest, and polite - unlike my fellow countrymen back home. It's a pity you have come to this dark conclusion about a wonderful country, and about your caucasian associates.

Chok di

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I think its time for everyone to sit back and have a beer.(or some other non alcholic bev. :o )

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Im sure i will be happy when im old and in my senior years in Thailand.Compared with the UK where the elderly are quite often lonely,forgotten about by their children,rarely visited.Its sometimes seen as a chore to go and visit elderly parents.At least in Thailand where the elderly are respected and well looked after,outdoors most of the time,and if in a village have many visitors during the day.I think this is real important when you get older.

Not shoved into an old peoples home and left to die.

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I'm not ashamed to say that I DID move here to avoid the rat race. I DID move here to have an easier, much more relaxed life. Coming here I was able to retire a few years earlier than if I lived in the US. In fact to have much of a life at all in the US, I would STILL be working.

Could I still cut it in my own country? Why would I want to even try? This is my home now and I'm more content than I have ever been in my life. I'm certainly not happy with the weak dollar, BUT since my retirement was based on 25 baht to the dollar, I'm still comfortable. I don't have to apoligize to anyone.

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I just heard about this yesterday, Loz, but not about you needing to go there. My sympathy to you in this time of great stress. Disillusionment is good, but not pleasant.

It might be that Korat attracts a more eccentric (dysfunctional?) expat. It might be the number of men who moved to this area because their wives are from here and the ladies keep them firmly under their thumb. (yes, they need to grow a pair, as you pointed out) I have seen examples of both in my year here. I have no experience with the teacher population here, my social circle and yours don't seem to really intersect except at one local watering hole. Korat has a small population of expat Americans compared to expat Europeans. So that may be part of it, plus the lingering presence of the usually alcoholic Vietnam era vets who chose to stay or to come back here. There's a nice image to present...

Not all Vietnam veterans are alcoholics,i am offended by you remarks.

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