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The main problem in Thailand is that residency in Thailand does not give the 'alien' any other rights other than staying in Thailand.

There should be exemptions for small amounts of work, especially in the case of retirees who would like to help out and get a little pocket money, probably to buy text books etc.

The same applies to myself, and other 'alien' married husbands, we can only do the work as stipulated on the work permit.

But we come and settle here and we have to accept the rules and regulations here. If we don't like them then we should leave.

Enough said.

Immigration Laws in Thailand are outdated and require a complete revision.

Here in Japan the old Immigration Law was totally revised 1986 (it dated back to 1860) in many important points, like gender equality (now foreign wife or foreign husband is the same by law, and Japanese is a Japanese, man/woman does not matter) and also a revision of the labour regulations for foreigners.

The result was a new Immigration Law, and it might work for Thailand, too, I think.

In Japan now the situation is as follows:

1-

The permanent resident permit includes the unlimited labour permit and also the right to buy land, house and operate your own shop. (rights almost like a Japanese national)

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The 3-years-longterm resident permit also includes full labour permit (for example, it might be given to a person, who is a retired foreigner after a business-visa or to a foreigner, who is widower, because his Japanese wife died)

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The spouse visa (foreigner legally registered in Japan, married to a Japanese national, regardless if man/woman) includes the full labour permit, you might choose any work, no report required. (usually given for 1 year x 3 times, after 3 years you might apply for a 3 years-spouse visa)

4-

Student Visa (Overseas students in Japanese universities) might do PART TIME work, but have to report it to the Immigration (a standard form, signed by the employer about kind of work, payment, workig hours) - usually approved within hours.

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Thai Government should consider a total revision of the old Immigration Law.

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Yohan, this is all very interesting news. It seems odd that Begs is the biggest railer against "Criminal English Teachers" in Thailand and he works in Japan

(so he says). After knowing this I would hope he might acquire a little sympathy for all the toiling foreign pedagogues of Thailand.

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It seems odd that Begs is the biggest railer against "Criminal English Teachers" in Thailand and he works in Japan

(so he says). After knowing this I would hope he might acquire a little sympathy for all the toiling foreign pedagogues of Thailand.

Why does it seem odd ?

This forum discusses issues relevant to Thailand, Thai law states that you need a work permit to work. :o

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Nice thread!

Thanks Begs!

It should be said no one is advocating/condoning, or saying it's good to work without a work permit as it's totally illegal! But as you can see it is a sad fact of teaching here in Thailand!

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Difficult to understand the situation.

On one hand the Thai laws do have certain requirements, before granting

permission to stay and a work permit. Perhaps these rules might be harsh por outdated, but it seems to me only language teachers having a problem with these laws. What about all the other teachers and I met many of them while having the son in school in Thailand for 10 years.

All these teachers where properly employed, had WP a.s.o. They as well have been educated back home to be teachers, coming from the USA, UK, Germany, Switzerland. One exception as it turned out that a teacher had some fake licences, means back home he was not the one he pretented to be. Next plane out, not by order of the Thai authorities, by order of the school board.

There seems to be a grey market with language schools, who apparently pay below minimum salaries, ignoring the Thai laws. Why to take a job in such places, if other schools hire properly?

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A question or two, I'm not a teacher and know little about the profession here in Thailand.

Do many Teachers work for Goverment run schools?

What requirments do these schools have ie what sort of qualifications do you need.

Do Goverment run schools provide WP's for theachers.

Is the pay less than private schools.

If goverment schools are employing teachers without WP's would'nt that be a sort of "state sanctioned crime"?

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A question or two, I'm not a teacher and know little about the profession here in Thailand.

Do many Teachers work for Goverment run schools?

What requirments do these schools have ie what sort of qualifications do you need.

Do Goverment run schools provide WP's for theachers.

Is the pay less than private schools.

If goverment schools are employing teachers without WP's would'nt that be a sort of "state sanctioned crime"?

Yes, many teachers work for government schools, either directly with or without a work permit. Or often through an agency (or private language school although a WP from them really won't cover you to work off of their premises) with or without a work permit!

Well it can depend from one to another in regards to qualifications and how desperate they are (i.e. if they've got a day to find a teacher, they may well accept pretty much anyone (thing!). Generally the main criteria seems to be to look like a farang (and to obviously be a nice man!) it's nice if you have a degree or TEFL, but only some schools really push for these.

Some government schools do, some agencies for government schools do, a lot don't!

The pay is around the same quite often (a little bit more than a lot of in house private schools) although sometimes you'll get perks like holiday pay etc.

Yes, that's basically it 'state sanctioned crime' sums it up well (can I steal that and pretend I thought of it please?:o

Axel,

I'm guessing your son goes to an expensive international school, or a very, very reputable (posh) Thai school? If not I doubt all the teachers were properly WPed etc. up!

Edited by kenkannif

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Oho, so Begsy's one of the "rich" workers in Japan, eh? I know a thing or two about Japan....

You a teacher, Begsy? Are you American? How exactly did you get your first working visa in Japan?

"Steven"

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Oho, so Begsy's one of the "rich" workers in Japan, eh?  I know a thing or two about Japan....

You a teacher, Begsy?  Are you American?  How exactly did you get your first working visa in Japan?

"Steven"

Please, this forum is for issues relating to Thailand...............

Kindly keep to a topic that has some relevance to Thailand.

I would worry about your own ( please Begs while it's correct it doesn't help! KK ) situation in Thailand if i was you, what is happening a few thousand Kms away is immaterial in a Thai Forum. :o

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Please both of you try to stay on topic!

I for one am trying, although i am being provoked at every opportunity by.............IjustwannateachWithNoWorkPermit..........

Kindly stick to the topic. :o

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^I think if you have some evidence of this, you should provide it, otherwise you should avoid making accusations against posters to this forum.

"Steven"

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Please both of you try to stay on topic!

If this thread is about "working illegally," then Begsy's situation is fair game. If it's about "teachers working illegally in Thailand" then 2 threads have already been closed and this one should be, too (as well as any more in the near future on the topic). Just one poster's opinion.

"Steven"

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IJWT,

Be the bigger (and better) man mate! Hopefully he'll leave this part of the forum alone.

This thread was (is?) going okay and I'd like to keep it open, but will lock it if need be.

It's about teaching in Thailand (illegally or not!).

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