Pattaya_Fox Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Estonian man dies following attack on Walking Street PATTAYA: -- A disturbing incident occurred on Walking Street in the early hours of Sunday Morning which was initially dealt with by the Tourist Police based on the street. Three men from Estonia made a complaint at the Tourist Police Mobile Unit regarding a confrontation with three Thai Men in Soi 15. It is thought the men were being ushered into a Show Bar but decided at the last minute that they did not want to go. The Thai men became angry and a fight ensued. The men were told to make their way to Pattaya Police Station to make a report, however they decided to take matters into their own hands and went back to confront the Thai men. It is thought that more than 15 men set-upon the three Estonian Men. One managed to run away, a second was hit over the head with a steal pole and a third man was stabbed in the leg with a broken bottle. A major artery in his leg was severed and he was rushed to Hospital. Later on Sunday he died from the injury according to medical staff at the Pattaya Memorial Hospital. The incident, which is now a murder investigation, occurred only meters away from the Tourist Police Unit and is now being investigated by Pattaya Police and the Tourist Police as the hunt for the attackers continues. We understand that as of Monday Afternoon, no arrests had been made in connection with the attack. Pattaya city News monday 21st January 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikethevigoman Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) Estonian man dies following attack on Walking Street A disturbing incident occurred on Walking Street... Well, here is another prime example of the thai way, there is safety in numbers is their motto for sure,.however the 3 guys Reshouldnt have gone back, .this is how it ends, its not fair and they are not fair,.( thais )sad, Edited January 21, 2008 by Maestro Reduced quoted text. No need to quote the entire, lengthy post - Maestro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robski Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) The incident, which is now a murder investigation, occurred only meters away from the Tourist Police Unit. So the guys didn't want to go in the bar, the Thais got hostile, the guys make a complaint and are told to take it to the police station. Basically a big FO. The guys get angry and return to sort it out themselves as they see that the authorities aren't interested. They are outnumbered 5 to 1, viciously beaten and one murdered within metres of the Tourist police point and no one is held responsible. What a f@cking sick country Thailand has turned into. You can try and rationalise it or compare it with other countries problems, but this is an all time low. Edited January 21, 2008 by Robski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyTheMook Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 You can try and rationalise it or compare it with other countries problems, but this is an all time low. I agree - Walking Street is a sleazy place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cali4995 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 This is also not the first time in recent history these gang beatings have occured on soi 15. I'll go along with the Thais defending their pride to a point. But lately it happens too often and with much more severity than is necessary. If you've ever witnessed one of these events it is utter hysteria. Everyone comes running down the street to get their cheap shots in. So now we have a murder. Will they just pretend like it didn't happen and everybody feign ignorance. Probably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chonabot Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 A terrible incident and even though Pattaya is not a fair representative of Thailand , it is something for those who keep slagging off the UK as a hellhole, something to pontificate over. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikethevigoman Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 You can try and rationalise it or compare it with other countries problems, but this is an all time low. I agree - Walking Street is a sleazy place. You know for the first time in 8 years i went out last night into walking st and was bored, it dosent have the fun factor it used to have and you know the smiles and women are only interested in your money and when things turn ugly this sort of thing is all too common place, yes it is sleazy ,ill leave it for the tourists i think,i wish they would listen to some advice though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikethevigoman Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 This is also not the first time in recent history these gang beatings have occured on soi 15. I'll goalong with the Thais defending their pride to a point. But lately it happens too often and with much more severity than is necessary. If you've ever witnessed one of these events it is utter hysteria. Everyone comes running down the street to get their cheap shots in. So now we have a murder. Will they just pretend like it didn't happen and everybody feign ignorance. Probably so. yes say what you like about the uk, if you picked on a doorman the chances are you would get a black eye or so, the thais go right over the top like its a war and seem to enjoy over reacting and beating up farang,.its a losing battle,have foreigners ever got the better of thais in a fight ? i doubt it, we are always going to outnumbered,.here anyway ,pity these guys didnt know, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robski Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Amazing Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 A very sad story. Does anyone know what bar they were being ushered into? I would have thought it would be fairly straight forward to arrest the touts at the bar concerned and get one of them to talk. It sounds like they don't want justice. I wonder how the story is being reported in Estonia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazeeboy Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 somebody should write a book of rules for thailand ,its not the same as your own country ,walk away and eat humble pie ,no one will think less of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robski Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Rule 1. Pick another destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Rule 1. Pick another destination. Agreed, Walking Street is a lousy destination for a holiday; quite popular with the Estonians at the moment, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moo9 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Very sad story. I was out with a friend, saw the pileup of people in Walking Street but had no idea what happened. It is unbelievable, that those idiots not care of another's life. Primitive creatures, better take double care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cali4995 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Soi 15 is the one that originates near the family mart. Quite a few clubs/a-go-gos up that street. Even though most everyone in this town makes a handsome living off the tourists, most of the locals, I would say 95%, absolutely hate foreigners. You have to remember, Pattaya also attracts many undesirable Thais. Drugs, guns crime, most of them high on ya-ba. When you listen to what some of these people say day-in and day-out. You don't want to have anything to do with them. A thaivisa member much wiser than me once said. "This is not a place to grow old in". True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well its unfortunate for the estonian man, but pretty stupid behaviour on their part. They go back and decided to fight??? Logic says I am a foreigner in another country, perhaps not good idea to do such a thing. Anyways - stupid behaviour in Thailand can cost you quite dearly - you want trouble you will certainly find it in spades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetchariot Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Britmaveric beat me to it on this one. I don't understand why everybody is slagging the Thais. This was NOT an unprovoked attack, these idiots decided to go back to take them on, and got what any reasonable person over here would expect. Yes they are cowards, and yes 5 on one is the norm, but would you go looking for a fight in any other foreign country and not expect the locals to back each other up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikethevigoman Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Britmaveric beat me to it on this one. I don't understand why everybody is slagging the Thais.This was NOT an unprovoked attack, these idiots decided to go back to take them on, and got what any reasonable person over here would expect. Yes they are cowards, and yes 5 on one is the norm, but would you go looking for a fight in any other foreign country and not expect the locals to back each other up? agreed, another dead hero through drink it seems, ,awful waste,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fm2002 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I walk down that street every time I'm out. One of my haunts is What'sUp and I get harassed all the time from those Yaba'd out male touts. Whether you like it or not they tag along with you in an effort to register a commission wherever you choose to enter. I've been around long enough to know not to confront any Thai men. As we all know complaining to the police falls on deaf ears. IMO we should be voicing our concerns with the Club Owners who hire these thugs, whether there touts or bouncers. I'm not going to blame anyone directly because I don't know 100% who controls these guys, but I do know 2 of the 3 most popular clubs on that street are Falang controlled and the third is a known Falang friendly bar and I'm sure they can do something. We should be voicing our concerns with them ! P.S. This also happens with frequency on Soi Diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vam-pire Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Mark my words There will be a time one day when the things that you fell in love with in Thailand,..... become things you hate most VP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Some bars will do anything to get the punters in, including turning a blind eye to heavy handed touts and doormen, Close the bar in question for a indefinite period, ban any partner or manager of the business from any other such business within the Pattaya area as a deterrent to others. Also put a ban on the premises being used as a bar , etc, ever again, to stop it being reopened under so called "New Owners". BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 No good at all...none! RIP :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason45 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Britmaveric beat me to it on this one. I don't understand why everybody is slagging the Thais.This was NOT an unprovoked attack, these idiots decided to go back to take them on, and got what any reasonable person over here would expect. Yes they are cowards, and yes 5 on one is the norm, but would you go looking for a fight in any other foreign country and not expect the locals to back each other up? Slightly off topic but my friends wife took us to the Yasothon rocket festival a few ago, everyone was enjoying themselves but it was obvious that many of the younger guys were drunk and the festival had been only going for one hour. Then all of a sudden out of the blue several of these guys started fighting and before I knew it about 100 joined in, I just stood back in amazement at the array of weapons that were being used, one hero even road a motor bike into the mob and when the mob finished with him his face was pulverised, there were police in attendance but the were far to busy in the whiskey tent to bring law and order back to reality. It was a real eye opener and I never have anything to do with Thai males especially the Isaan variety, many who are just feral pigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapfries Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 You can try and rationalise it or compare it with other countries problems, but this is an all time low. I agree - Walking Street is a sleazy place. Well, I beg to differ. I lived/worked here (Pattaya) for 16 years and always take friends/family visiting from overseas down to the walking street. We always come away with pain in our cheek-muscles from laughing. It's a funny place; a true study in human behaviour, but I would not call it a "sleazy" place. Besides: what are you comparing it to ? ? ? You wanna do "sleazy" go and have a look at the Rheperbahn in Germany, or the red-light-district in Amsterdam ! So Mr. "jimmy-the-mook" think again, okay - before you insult totally innocent people (and/or their city-parts) of being "sleazy". [snip] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISteve Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hummmm... Soi 15. Beach Club. Angelwitch and RockGirls. What's Up and Fantasia (if it's still open). Venus. It's not the nicest area for sure. Sorry to hear about this tragedy. Fun Town stops being fun when there is blood in the streets. My sympathies to the families. And justice to the perps is probably more than we could hope for. ~WISteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantilley Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 A terrible incident and even though Pattaya is not a fair representative of Thailand , it is something for those who keep slagging off the UK as a hellhole, something to pontificate over.RIP Well, awful incident though this was, things like this happen every weekend in most major cities in the UK. Thailand's got a long way to go before it catches up with the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Britmaveric beat me to it on this one. I don't understand why everybody is slagging the Thais.This was NOT an unprovoked attack, these idiots decided to go back to take them on, and got what any reasonable person over here would expect. This is very uncharacteristic of ethnic Estonians. I lived there 10 years and they aren't an aggressive bunch. When they release names I wouldn't be surprised if they were ethnic Russians who are Estonian citizens (over 30% of the total population). Russians don't like to take crap off of anyone. Either way it's always a tragedy when something like this happens. When I first went to Bangkok ten years ago we had read not to cause trouble at any of the bars because a door will open and a dozen little guys with machetes will come out. Apparetly that advice was close enough to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I always see so much anger against the Thai in topics like this. People are real bitter and think all Thais are out to get you. In my home country in bars this happens too. If you confront the wrong group you dont get a fair fight. But now bohoo bad Thais this bad Thais that. Face it the guys came back to start a fight. I don't condone killing or mobbing up on a few guys but in reality it happens everywhere not just here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokdenied Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 In the USA it is daily routine and nobody complain . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raro Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 IMO we should be voicing our concerns with the Club Owners who hire these thugs, whether there touts or bouncers. That is very well put indeed! The most disturbing fact is that the Tourist Police did not take any action and this apparent lack of interest in the case prompted the Estonians to take the matter in their own hands. So we can assume that in case of an emergency other than martial looks their is nothing much to get from the TP desk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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