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The coup prevented Thaksin's plan to build the first casino in Thailand. Gordon Brown prevented his plan to build one in Manchester. He seems to be fixated on this idea. He's been back in Thailand only a few days and now we hear this. Any connection I wonder?

The rumour was that all those five star hotels being built in Chiang Mai had received heads up that the first mega casino was going to built there. Now we'll see.

How good of a former & soon to be next dictator would Toxic be if he couldn't funnel development money to his home province?

Let me say "Terrible Idea" Of course all the sleezeballs are all for it. Tally Ho old chap!!!!

Lottery I call "Tax on the Stupid". Let the blood letting begin.

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The lottery in any country has always virtually been a way of collecting revenue that mostly comes from the poor. Taxing the poor, or in most cases the stupid, if you will. IF you can't have casinos in Thailand, declare the land they are built on as "embassies", put the immigration offices in the casinos, and stop sending much needed revenues to the Cambodians.

1000 baht visa runs, includes two free drink coupons. Now we're talkin' revenue. The baht stops here, keep in Thailand.

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How good of a former & soon to be next dictator would Toxic be if he couldn't funnel development money to his home province?

Let me say "Terrible Idea" Of course all the sleezeballs are all for it. Tally Ho old chap!!!!

Lottery I call "Tax on the Stupid". Let the blood letting begin.

Talk about being on the same page, Tally up the hoes

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Within a matter of days we have two announcements that will not only effect and enable the deterioration of Thai society even further than it already has started to go, courtesy of the greedy unprincipalled and self rewarding PPP / TRT cronies, but provide horrendous consequences for the ordinary citizens ( and their families ) should they go ahead.

Edited to prevent a second repeat of my alledged rant ( full version ) :D

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please a warning to your posts: RANT ABOUT TO BEGIN

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This should be a huge new income and create 10,000s of new jobs. A good move, hope it gets implemented quickly.

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The poll found that people who played the lottery with an income of less than B50,000 annually spent an average of B240 per month on lottery tickets. Thus it is nearly double the amount spent in any other income bracket. :D

Oh my god! 250baht a month!!!!!!!!

No further comment needed :o

marshbags :D

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Always wondered why you needed 36 urinals in the toilets in a private house and an escalator to get you there... :opost-34728-1204526175.jpg

He uses it for Saha farms functions and the like, so it is a company retreat as well as a house.

BTW I doubt he would sell it, it is the owner's idea of paradise :D goodness knows why.

Nah....site too small with not enough rooms. Ambassador is the site for Pattaya if there is such a spot.

It seems that nobody has noticed the extension of the PEACH exhibition centre at the Royal Cliff Hotel Pattaya. It was already big and not used very much so why would they expand you may wonder?

Well, rumour has it that the owner of Royal Cliff Kh. Pagna has an appartment in London.

So what?

It happens to be in the same building as where Thaksin has one...

Coincidence?

It's even on the same floor....

Could they be close friends?

So now you know where another Casino will be in Pattaya.

And just like the Saha place and the Ambassador -all they have to do is roll in the fruitmachines and the tables.....

Bingo!

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Haven't read all the posts, don't really need to.

How do you now think the standover mafia are gonna be able to demand protection money when someone is doing something LEGAL (thats a new one for the realm - something legal)

I say it's a great idea. "and I haven't bet a satang in my life" If it is legal it's out in the open. Thailand can now be the Vegas of SE ASIA "way to go"

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Cambodian casinos are owned by Thais anyway. If they want to keep that money in the country, they just have to squeeze the owners, if they can. Unfortunately Thailand is in no position to enforce any kind of law or regulation on people making that kind of money. And never will.

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It seems that nobody has noticed the extension of the PEACH exhibition centre at the Royal Cliff Hotel Pattaya. It was already big and not used very much so why would they expand you may wonder?

Well, rumour has it that the owner of Royal Cliff Kh. Pagna has an appartment in London.

So what?

It happens to be in the same building as where Thaksin has one...

Coincidence?

It's even on the same floor....

Could they be close friends?

So now you know where another Casino will be in Pattaya.

And just like the Saha place and the Ambassador -all they have to do is roll in the fruitmachines and the tables.....

Bingo!

Nice coincidence - but it ain't going to happen. To open a casino there will destroy the Royal Cliff.

Don't think it will happen at any Saha-owned property as well. The Ambassador City has been mentioned in the past, however, and might seem like a good location but it's going to need a bit more infrastructure nearby. Otherwise this is probably the most likely location.

Atlantic City is an example of how a poorly-mismanaged plan to legalize gambling can destroy a city. 'Nuff said.

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Gambling per se is not the problem, its what happens to the vast cash mountain. You can put your own guesswork here. And its wonderful untraceable money laundered cash. It will make the mobile phone monopoly look like chicken feed

Expect all kinds of low life mafia to get involved

Of course Pattaya will be a prime site and it would explain the huge building boom going on here - absolutely astounding and for no obvious reason based on current tourism figures

The crime rate here is out of control now, wait until big money starts hitting town (or should i say city)

WOW un mf believable

and btw i thought the old guard ykw were dead set against it

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Bingo!

Nice coincidence - but it ain't going to happen. To open a casino there will destroy the Royal Cliff.

Don't think it will happen at any Saha-owned property as well. The Ambassador City has been mentioned in the past, however, and might seem like a good location but it's going to need a bit more infrastructure nearby. Otherwise this is probably the most likely location.

Atlantic City is an example of how a poorly-mismanaged plan to legalize gambling can destroy a city. 'Nuff said.

What do you mean destroy the Royal Cliff? People who used to stay at Royal Wing have moved to Shearaton next door. Main Wing is full of Russians and Grand Wing is more or less empty most of the time -certainly when there are no conventions. Do you know how many rooms the Grand Wing has. O.k. they are filling them up with the slightly more cultivated and better behaved Russians. Having some gamblers staying there will not destroy the R Cliff any further.....

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Hopefully the casinos will be at least somewhat regulated. The underground gambling operations are HUGE. I know a number of Thais who have lost everything because of the crooks extending credit. Hopefully the legal casinos will NOT extend credit.

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Atlantic City is an example of how a poorly-mismanaged plan to legalize gambling can destroy a city. 'Nuff said.

What do you mean destroy the Royal Cliff? People who used to stay at Royal Wing have moved to Shearaton next door. Main Wing is full of Russians and Grand Wing is more or less empty most of the time -certainly when there are no conventions. Do you know how many rooms the Grand Wing has. O.k. they are filling them up with the slightly more cultivated and better behaved Russians. Having some gamblers staying there will not destroy the R Cliff any further.....

PS Not saying the whole convention centre would be converted into a gambling den but there will be a casino incorporated for sure. Of course it will be mostly for the Thai high rollers only and the Russian pimps that are already staying at the Royal Cliff can make some extra $$$$$ by having their girls provide some extra service....

The Ambassador would be more suitable for Asian tourists and us farangs...

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Atlantic City is an example of how a poorly-mismanaged plan to legalize gambling can destroy a city. 'Nuff said.

And this is the aspect of the whole issue/plan that blasts a huge hole in my personal philosophy that legalized gambling is a good thing for the neighboring society. Las Vegas, while it has sleezy sections, is, for the most part, a great city. The large casinos, in recent years, have all added some seriously expensive "family attractions". Throughout the city there are attractions for family entertainment with no gambling. There are very decent residential areas all around the greater LV area. The growth of the city of Las Vegas, funded almost entirely by gambling, was and is well planned and managed.

A step down are places like Laughlin; a medium sized town, with much less flash and money than Vegas. But it, too, is mostly a decent place for the residents; as well as a safe and fun place for the visiting gamblers.

Then there's Atlantic City ... and Reno. These cities are at the other end of the "legal gambling locations" spectrum.

And, when I consider the fact that virtually every business I've seen in Pattaya is poorly managed, it's hard to imagine operations as well run as those in Las Vegas, or even Laughlin, here. Add to it the inevitable "over the top" corruption, and, sadly, I think that those predicting more negative than positive results may be right as far as operations here in Thailand are concerned.

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For those who want the casinos......

Government owned AND operated casinos.

No worry about taxes, as all of the revenue after expences would be for the government.

The government would "simply" watch over itself.

It would not have to be monitored for closing on the proper days.

Government ownership and operation really does solve a lot of the problems in deciding who has the rights and licences to operate a casino.

Then, there are the problems with the people who lose the family's monthly paycheck early in the month.

Does anyone wonder if smoking will be allowed?

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Hopefully the casinos will be at least somewhat regulated. The underground gambling operations are HUGE. I know a number of Thais who have lost everything because of the crooks extending credit. Hopefully the legal casinos will NOT extend credit.

I hope you don't actually believe that casinos are not willing to lend credit? Getting a credit line in most places is incredibly easy for any one with income - about on par with a credit card.

Also....bear in mind as is the case in NZ and presumably every other market....there are always people waiting in the wings to provide easy credit for gambling at a casino....some of the same people that extend credit for other forms of gambling.

Paying them back is not always so easy.

In other words, your worries are real, but legislating the casino itself isn't going to solve anything. The only way to solve this is massive restrictions on who can go in (at a guess foreign passport, or ID card + proof of tax/income, proof of source of income for both THai and suspect foreign nationals, age ID) but since this is going to be a cash cow, it will be loosely policed same as night clubs, brothels, massage parlours etc.

But of course, since all our neighbours have casinos, yeah, of course we need one ;-)

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For those who want the casinos......

Government owned AND operated casinos.

No worry about taxes, as all of the revenue after expences would be for the government.

The government would "simply" watch over itself.

It would not have to be monitored for closing on the proper days.

Government ownership and operation really does solve a lot of the problems in deciding who has the rights and licences to operate a casino.

Then, there are the problems with the people who lose the family's monthly paycheck early in the month.

Does anyone wonder if smoking will be allowed?

Yeah, and everybody knows we can trust the Thai government to "watch over itself". :o

As for the last two lines, they work together. The problems with people losing the family paycheck will be minimized if smoking is not allowed. Non-smokers are clearly more intelligent and responsible than their air and lung polluting counterparts! :D

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Within a matter of days we have two announcements that will not only effect and enable the deterioration of Thai society even further than it already has started to go, courtesy of the greedy unprincipalled and self rewarding PPP / TRT cronies, but provide horrendous consequences for the ordinary citizens ( and their families ) should they go ahead.

This Legalised Gambling is one, the other is the proposed restart of the infamous, evil licence to kill / murder, the under priviledged " The War On Drugs "

Not surprisingly the same unethical individuals are sanctioning both !!!!!!!!

Add to this the purge on moving officials from their positions to facilitate the removal of future obstructions and enable the biggest manipulation of evidence and the reinstatement of a certain ex CEO,s reputation as an honest, ethical, uncorrupt, P.M. of the past and present. ????????

The international community are unlikely to go along with the intended scenario, as his soiled reputation is etched in stone, along with many of those within this present government.

I,ll name Samak and Chalerm and his alledgedly reformed son / sons will do for starters.

Look around you everyone and if you haven,t already, and witness the consequences of gambling among the local Thai community, where ever your chosen place of abode may be.

Indeed many of those reading this thread will have been effected in some way or another.

This is a social cancer, with horrendous consequences and needs to be stopped, not encouraged.

Never mind the bullshit the likes of Chalerm is spouting out to justify the proposed building of casinos and " LEGALISED GAMBLING " ect. ect.

WTFDTC about the social consequences ??????

mega baht / profit for them and their greedy PUYAI sponsors is their only objective.

marshbags

I agree totally, They will throw out a few crumbs to fool the unsuspecting -- but the real intent is strictly selfish. They only want to stuff their own greedy pockets and those pockets ot the ones who "scratch their backs. And at the expense of those same kids they profess to want to help, because the kid's dads will be down at the casino trying to double the grocery money. It's universal -- most/all our politicians have their own interests way ahead of our interest. With their inside knowledge they will all go out and buy up the cheap land that they know will be used for the casinos, just like "you know who and his family" did for the new airport...................

In California I have seen the INDIAN CASINO'S spread and multiply like plague and only a small percent of the gamblers would be there if it wasn't so convenient and likewise only a small percent can really afford what they lose -- The rest may be coming out of some poor kid's mouth or education budget. My Thai wife works at a local casino (in California) and most of our circle of friends are Thai, And I know they used to attend "floating card games" but the magnatude of their gambling grew when the casinos made it so convenient and fun. I have had two best friends with Thai wives file Bankrupsy because of their wives gambling...........

They will pull the "wool over your eyes" with the good that it will do in general.......But that will be "small potatoes" compared to the good they will take for their greedy selves......... LET THEM GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR with just a few casinos.................. and then watch-out for the explosion.

This country wouln't need all that money if only all these grafters would let the government have it's fair share............ "Good luck" to all of you that think it is a good plan................YOU are selling a beautiful country into grief, like a mom selling her daughter into Prostitution -- SURE, somebody will gain by it.........

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Hopefully the casinos will be at least somewhat regulated. The underground gambling operations are HUGE. I know a number of Thais who have lost everything because of the crooks extending credit. Hopefully the legal casinos will NOT extend credit.

The "key word" here is HOPEFULLY................... Can you really believe that possible here in the "real world" ?????

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Personally I like those 'games' where you drop the money into a selected slot and it bounces through a pin maze and lands on the shelf and if you are really lucky they will push a whole bunch of coins off the shelf into your win tray. My wife loved those on a visit to the UK, so roll on with the 'Penny Arcades' I say.

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It will make more money for the thais , who can afford to get in on it , and every thing will bcost more , Look like LOS is going to join the rest of the world. Look at prices like in Korea . sky rocketed over the last few years.

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What do you mean destroy the Royal Cliff? People who used to stay at Royal Wing have moved to Shearaton next door. Main Wing is full of Russians and Grand Wing is more or less empty most of the time -certainly when there are no conventions. Do you know how many rooms the Grand Wing has. O.k. they are filling them up with the slightly more cultivated and better behaved Russians. Having some gamblers staying there will not destroy the R Cliff any further.....

PS Not saying the whole convention centre would be converted into a gambling den but there will be a casino incorporated for sure. Of course it will be mostly for the Thai high rollers only and the Russian pimps that are already staying at the Royal Cliff can make some extra $$$$$ by having their girls provide some extra service....

The Ambassador would be more suitable for Asian tourists and us farangs...

It will destroy the Royal Cliff, trust me. Still regarded as one of the best hotels in the world, the last thing they will want to do is devalue their property by adding a casino, and no, they cannot emulate Monte Carlo.

No casino will be developed solely for the sake of Thai high rollers either. Casinos are designed to attract tourists. Thai high rollers already have the stock market to play in. Any casino would just be another way to while away the time for a high roller - yet it will prove a magnet for tourists and lower/middle class Thais thinking they've found an easy way to upgrade their lifestyle.

Think about it - if a Thai high roller wants to gamble, he either calls his/her friends together, or pays for (or is offered) a first-class ticket to go to Macau or Malaysia or even Vegas, or else go on one of the Star Cruises packages. A high roller is not particularly concerned with time or location - so unless a Thai casino were to offer the same types of perks and privileges, it wouldn't stand a chance against Macau or the upcoming Singapore casinos, both of which are a couple of hours away, not dissimilar to a drive down to Pattaya.

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And this is the aspect of the whole issue/plan that blasts a huge hole in my personal philosophy that legalized gambling is a good thing for the neighboring society. Las Vegas, while it has sleezy sections, is, for the most part, a great city. The large casinos, in recent years, have all added some seriously expensive "family attractions". Throughout the city there are attractions for family entertainment with no gambling. There are very decent residential areas all around the greater LV area. The growth of the city of Las Vegas, funded almost entirely by gambling, was and is well planned and managed.

Unfortunately, this is no longer true - Vegas has already de-emphasized family attractions and is starting to position itself as an adult playground. Circus Circus was the original family destination and it is now very run-down. A couple of other locations which developed family attractions have now redeveloped those areas as well.

The reason for this is the same reason Vegas hates conventioneers - they don't gamble. This is exactly why room rates in Vegas skyrocket when there's a big convention in town.

Nevertheless, Las Vegas is the fastest growing urban area in the US, and it is very well-managed and property prices there are booming as well.

Contrast that with Atlantic City, where any area which is not casino property is slum, and even the casinos themselves are run down because the great majority of their customers have to be bussed in from nearby states and given a free roll of quarters. The famous Boardwalk is not even a shadow of its old self - even the Miss America pageant - created for Atlantic City - has moved somewhere else.

And guess what - Monopoly is creating a Global Edition - probably because Atlantic City (the original version of Monopoly) no longer appeals to people.

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This is great news for organised crime, especially the Mafia who will ultimately be running the gambling joints, plus open gambling laws will bring joy to corrupt Government ministers who I'm sure will give their full backing to the new laws allowing so called legalised gambling in Thailand. They will be able to sell gambling permits to highest bidders and probably have a large stake in the system and share of the profits.

The new legislation will have particular attraction for crime syndicates in Russia, Israel, Europe and the United States who will become main financial backers of gambling joints in Thailand.

Gambling in Thailand will fall under the control of criminals, corrupt officials & police, exactly has it has done elsewhere worldwide.

Of course there has always been back yard gambling in Thailand but soon criminal gangs will become untouchable as they can openly run gambling joints as legit businesses, subsidiaries of their prostitution and drug cartels.

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And this is the aspect of the whole issue/plan that blasts a huge hole in my personal philosophy that legalized gambling is a good thing for the neighboring society. Las Vegas, while it has sleezy sections, is, for the most part, a great city. The large casinos, in recent years, have all added some seriously expensive "family attractions". Throughout the city there are attractions for family entertainment with no gambling. There are very decent residential areas all around the greater LV area. The growth of the city of Las Vegas, funded almost entirely by gambling, was and is well planned and managed.

Unfortunately, this is no longer true - Vegas has already de-emphasized family attractions and is starting to position itself as an adult playground. Circus Circus was the original family destination and it is now very run-down. A couple of other locations which developed family attractions have now redeveloped those areas as well.

The reason for this is the same reason Vegas hates conventioneers - they don't gamble. This is exactly why room rates in Vegas skyrocket when there's a big convention in town.

Nevertheless, Las Vegas is the fastest growing urban area in the US, and it is very well-managed and property prices there are booming as well.

Contrast that with Atlantic City, where any area which is not casino property is slum, and even the casinos themselves are run down because the great majority of their customers have to be bussed in from nearby states and given a free roll of quarters. The famous Boardwalk is not even a shadow of its old self - even the Miss America pageant - created for Atlantic City - has moved somewhere else.

And guess what - Monopoly is creating a Global Edition - probably because Atlantic City (the original version of Monopoly) no longer appeals to people.

So true regarding Atlantic City. When I was a boy, 40 some years ago, Atlantic City had a great boardwalk, beaches were full, small hotels, shops, bars etc were busy. You could ride your bike done the street. There was crime but mostly late at night. When the casinos came they said how great it would be for the city and the businesses. Well not long after they opened everything was going down hill quickly. Everyone went to the casinos and the town died. No one on the streets in the day or night except low lifes. Crime went crazy ! 90 percent of the small operators went out of business. Casinos killed the town. Only the rich got rich and everyone else moved away. Sad story ! Look at the casinos in Cambodia, not much happening out side of them is there. Casinos are self supportive, they have their own rooms, bars, food, entertainment, beaches etc.

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