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The Economics Of Growing Rice

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one rai produces on the average about 300 Kg (10 bags) of rice per harvest...

fertiliser cost about 40 thb per rai...

the stuff sells for between 5 & 7 thb per kilo...

a family of ten eats about 55 bags of rice per year, so that family of ten with a 25 rai farm makes somewhere between 30,000 and 40,000 thb per year...

...sure some areas have enough water for two harvests a year... sure they can sell the rice out of town, but that incurs transportation costs...

hardly surprising then that so many farming families send their best looking daughter to work in the whore-houses of bangkok or pattaya...

sword of justice & trusty shield of fair play...

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one rai produces on the average about 300 Kg (10 bags) of rice per harvest...

fertiliser cost about 40 thb per rai...

the stuff sells for between 5 & 7 thb per kilo...

a family of ten eats about 55 bags of rice per year, so that family of ten with a 25 rai farm makes somewhere between 30,000 and 40,000 thb per year...

...sure some areas have enough water for two harvests a year... sure they can sell the rice out of town, but that incurs transportation costs...

hardly surprising then that so many farming families send their best looking daughter to work in the whore-houses of bangkok or pattaya...

sword of justice & trusty shield of fair play...

Sorry Harry... I don't see your point...! :o

totster :D

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Harry's vice is TBG- pretty much an obsession these days!  :D

spose it makes a change from "studying" katoeys.... ! :D

totster :o

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one rai produces on the average about 300 Kg (10 bags) of rice per harvest...

fertiliser cost about 40 thb per rai...

the stuff sells for between 5 & 7 thb  per kilo...

a family of ten eats about 55 bags of rice per year, so that family of ten with a 25 rai farm makes somewhere between 30,000 and 40,000 thb per year...

...sure some areas have enough water for two harvests a year... sure they can sell the rice out of town, but that incurs transportation costs...

hardly surprising then that so many farming families send their best looking daughter to work in the whore-houses of bangkok or pattaya...

sword of justice & trusty shield of fair play...

Sorry Harry... I don't see your point...! :o

totster :D

the farmers are getting screwed... whilst many others sectors a rife with corruption...

pay them a fair price for their rice... they won't be so quick to pack off their daughters to work in the sex industry... less prostitutes=less farangs to prey on them... less sexually motivated farangs=a better thailand...

it's all to do with the The Economics Of Growing Rice...

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Yeah, they have more rice than they could possibly eat. What a hellish existence (considering the millions of people in the world who barely get a cup of rice a week to eat), not being able to afford that Honda Wave.

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mmm, Don't forget the cost of labor to pick the rice. This past winter everybody wanted 150 baht per day. So 20 pickers for the day is 3000 baht. Yes, I too think rice farming is a poor way to make a living. I think there are too many rice farms.

But (at least in my village and all surrounding ones) no one can grow anything else in large quantites. Everyone has small gardens of different veggies, but the soil and weather patterns prohibit the mass production of anything else. So the people do what they have done for generations-grow rice. But I have found that people who have never had money do not know what to do with it when they get some. During harvest time, most of the money is blown on booze and cell phone calls. Some people do avidly save their money to purchase a tractor to replace their buffalo, a new buffalo, or a water pump. Luxuries are usually not an option, and most people are content with their lives. (And nobody goes hungry...)

However, things can go wrong, people die, disasters happen, sickness, etc, etc. that can leave a family dispondant. So, it's the FARANG to the rescue!

Yes it's true! Thank God for the Tourist Bar girl scheme to rescue families from poverty. Of course there are some negatives that go along with it, as with all things. But the positives far outweigh the negatives, at least in my case. Maybe I am just lucky, but I am not the only one. :o

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Actually much as I hate to admit it Harry's got a point, if anything he's exageration how much an average rice farmer will earn in a year.

The current gov stats are about 37,000 a family, but when you consider that this includes all the central plain farmers that can double crop, you can imagine how low it would be for a poor Issan farmer single croping. Out of 60 mill rai of cultivated rice land only 20 mill has proper irrigation, the rest releying onrain fall

...sure some areas have enough water for two harvests a year... sure they can sell the rice out of town, but that incurs transportation costs...

This is largly irrelevent as the vast majority of rice mills are also located out of town, rice is usually sold as paddy (whole rice) and is collected by an agent. You also seem a bit confused about the retail price of rice and the farmgate price.

The farmgate selling price for paddy is about 5200 bht a ton with an ave production of about 440 kg/rai this will produce finnished rice of about 330kg/rai.

The export price of rice is about 38,000 bht/ton, so while the farmer is getting 15,200(5,200x330) a ton, the mills and large agro companies have a mark up of 23,000 bht a ton on the finnished rice alone. They also get to sell the by products ,

"Lamb" the inside part of the rice between the husk and the seed, looks a bit like flour, 5000 bht a ton, used in animal feed.

"Grep" the outer husk, really cheap 400-800 bht a lorry load, used a bit like saw dust (chicken farms, brick manufacture).

Now you have seed costs, fertilizer (40 bht/rai is a bit optimistic), labour (150bht a day is about right) or hire costs for mechanical harvester ( not sure about 1000 bht an hour ?). The main probem is debt, the large fertilizer, seed, companies will advance the seeds fertilisers ect and accept payment on harvest, usually the crop is already morgaged to the rice mill. The level of debt rose from 22% of housholds in 1988 to 60% by 1995 with an ave debt of nearly 40,000 bht.

With the low % level of profit most rice farmers now are just struggling to pay of the intrest on their loan's. Many have defaulted on the land and had their land repossesed only to have it rented back to them, for a share of the rice.

Same with most areas of thai agriculture the large agro companies have basicaly got the farmers working for them and taking all the risk with very little profit.

Thailand is the biggest rice exporter in the world, a major sucsess story, but for who certinaly not the farmer, who unfortunatly is just seen as an exploitable resourse by his fellow countrymen.

Cheers RC

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Actually much as I hate to admit it Harry's got a point, if anything he's exageration how much an average rice farmer will earn in a year.

The current gov stats are about 37,000 a family, but when you consider that this includes all the central plain farmers that can double crop, you can imagine how low it would be for a poor Issan farmer single croping. Out of 60 mill rai of cultivated rice land only 20 mill has proper irrigation, the rest releying onrain fall

...sure some areas have enough water for two harvests a year... sure they can sell the rice out of town, but that incurs transportation costs...

This is largly irrelevent as the vast majority of rice mills are also located out of town, rice is usually sold as paddy (whole rice) and is collected by an agent. You also seem a bit confused about the retail price of rice and the farmgate price.

The farmgate selling price for paddy is about 5200 bht a ton with an ave production of about 440 kg/rai this will produce finnished rice of about 330kg/rai.

The export price of rice is about 38,000 bht/ton, so while the farmer is getting 15,200(5,200x330) a ton, the mills and large agro companies have a mark up of 23,000 bht a ton on the finnished rice alone. They also get to sell the by products ,

"Lamb" the inside part of the rice between the husk and the seed, looks a bit like flour, 5000 bht a ton, used in animal feed.

"Grep" the outer husk, really cheap 400-800 bht a lorry load, used a bit like saw dust (chicken farms, brick manufacture).

Now you have seed costs, fertilizer (40 bht/rai is a bit optimistic), labour (150bht a day is about right) or hire costs for mechanical harvester ( not sure about 1000 bht an hour ?). The main probem is debt, the large fertilizer, seed, companies will advance the seeds fertilisers ect and accept payment on harvest, usually the crop is already morgaged to the rice mill. The level of debt rose from 22% of housholds in 1988 to 60% by 1995 with an ave debt of nearly 40,000 bht.

With the low % level of profit most rice farmers now are just struggling to pay of the intrest on their loan's. Many have defaulted on the land and had their land repossesed only to have it rented back to them, for a share of the rice.

Same with most areas of thai agriculture the large agro companies have basicaly got the farmers working for them and taking all the risk with very little profit.

Thailand is the biggest rice exporter in the world, a major sucsess story, but for who certinaly not the farmer, who unfortunatly is just seen as an exploitable resourse by his fellow countrymen.

Cheers RC

Dude, you know way too much about rice :o

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Random Chances....the Bubba Gump of rice.....

Guess how many kinds of rice are kept in a bank (called genebank) at IRRI? 108,000 varieties!

It takes 5,000 liters of water to produce 1 kilo of rice.

A farmer must walk 80 kilometers to plow 1 hectare of rice land using a water buffalo (carabao).

Rice is eaten by nearly half of the world's population.

Thailand, Vietnam, India, and the USA are the top 4 countries in the world that export rice

Science has helped more than double world rice production from 260 to 600 million tons over the past 40 years.

Rice is the single largest food source for the poor.

AINT NOTHING HE DONT KNOW ABOUT RICE

:o:D:D

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Thai rice farmers do not have to travel thousands of miles to get laid like farangs do, so they don't have to worry about the rising costs of aviation fuel. :o

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many thai people have come to believe that the average farang male is inherently inclined towards prostitutes and indulging in licentious behavior... :o

...since prostitution in thailand acts as just another showpiece in a rapidly blooming free-market society, many farang men erroneously believe that visiting a prostitute is acceptable, when in heir own country... society frowns upon such deviances...

...as farang men continue providing ample demand to fuel the prostitution sector of the underground economy, thai women continue to suffer from a lack of viable employment alternatives in other sectors. jobs available to most rural thai girls are limited to dishwashing in a noodle shop, hairdressing, and waitressing... :D

girls are effectively cut off from educational opportunities once they graduate from sixth or ninth grade (the end of their compulsory education).... due to the great symbolic debt owed to their parents, they are frequently tempted to abandon the dim prospects of their rural villages in search work in the cities...

many leave for the cities to work in factories or restaurants, only to find themselves in the hands of brothel owners... :D

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