Ajarn Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Chiang mai: Brit arrested in child sex allegation CHIANG MAI: -- Police yesterday arrested a British man for allegedly keeping a hilltribe boy as his sex slave for more than two years. Clive Mark Feinson, 41, initially offered financial help to the boy whose parents were prosecuted on drug charges. The boy was later sexually abused and detained at the suspect’s riverside condominium. The victim, now 14, said he had been abused for over two years. Police said Feinson had more than 30 pieces of pornography in his condo when nabbed. He also faced charges of sexual abuse in his home country before he moved to Thailand. -– The Nation 2004-10-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Police hold UK paedophile suspect CHIANG MAI: -- Police in northern Thailand have arrested a Londoner for allegedly having sex with a 14-year-old hill tribe boy over a period of more than two years. Clive Feinson, 41, from London, was arrested after police raided his flat in the northern city of Chiang Mai and rescued the boy, said police Lt Pathiphol Faungfuang. Feinson, who allegedly has a record of drug abuse, has lived in the city for more than three years, Pathiphol said. The arrest came after a tip-off from the Children and Women's Rights Foundation, a local organisation aimed at fighting sex abuse. The group suspected that Feinson had been having sex with hill tribe boys in the area for a long time, Pathiphol said. The unidentified boy, who was moved to a state welfare home after the arrest, told police the suspect had forced him to have sex about twice a week. Feinson is being detained pending further investigation and trial. He faces up to 15 years in prison if found guilty on charges of paedophilia. --ThisIsLondon.com & Agencies 2004-10-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Child sex offenders are disgusting and revolting anywhere, and all deserve their due, no matter what their nationality. I applaud the efforts to stop foreign pedophiles from abusing children in this and any other country. That being said, I'd like to know what is being done about local pedophiles, as they never seem to be publicized or on the critical radar. Could it be that there are no Thai pedophiles deserving of punishment and negative publicity? why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoophound Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Probably are some locals ,but the repeat offenders from overseas want dealing with bigtime. They damage every falangs reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinRed Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 What's the official Thai (law) punishment for such people? Wish we could bring the knife welding wifey to his cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samiotis Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 They should send that guy right to Irak....very much to the frontline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMaiC Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 They should send that guy right to Irak....very much to the frontline! The way Luck works he would probably survive anything he came across during his time there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dradam Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If all child pedophiles were actually prosecuted, there would not be enough room in Thailand to contain the prisoners. The list of people involved in this crime includes many top government officials. It is simply overlooked (just like prostitution). Only when foreigners are involved is it actually considered a crime as Thailand is more interested in saving face than the issue of immorality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuchok Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If he is actually guilty and there has been no fit up, then the first thing that shoud happen is that he should be tied to stocks in the middle of Thapae Gate and pelted with rotten fruit...just for starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinRed Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 ...It is simply overlooked... Tragic indeed - no wonder the LoS is rife with these pervs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If all child pedophiles were actually prosecuted, there would not be enough room in Thailand to contain the prisoners. The list of people involved in this crime includes many top government officials.It is simply overlooked (just like prostitution). Only when foreigners are involved is it actually considered a crime as Thailand is more interested in saving face than the issue of immorality. So right you are Dradam. My research confirms this sad fact about local pedophiles. Actually, locally, pedophilia is not even seen as much of an issue and is not even defined as such. Therefore, not only is it a huge hypocrisy to only punish and publicize foreign pedophiles, but the lack of will to change the underlying local attitudes are what make Thailand and SEA an attractive destination to these pedophiles to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnthai Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Local problem is very eveident if you have spent time with locals and lived with them and gained enough trust for them to reveal the truth about their lives. I was married to a girl who was forced from her home at the age of 11. Her mother's boyfriend was sexually abusing her while the mother was at work. When I asked her why he felt he could do that and get away with it the explanation was this: Mom was at work, we were alone and so he did what he wanted. He knew that if she told her mom that her mom would look the other way so as not to loose him. Given the fact that this guy is a real sc*m bag on all accounts(I have met him) I just couldn't see why her mom would do that. She then informed me that a woman her mother's age may not ever find another boyfriend. And so it went until she ran away at 13 and found work in Patpong. Her mom then had 2 boys and god only knows what their sorrid stories are by now. I had a girl friend, prior to meeting my wife, who also suffered such abuse at the age of 14 or 15, at the hands of her older brother and his friends. When I asked her about it she said she would be tied to a tree near the house and raped repeatredly while her parents were away form home. If she would have told she would not have been believed and accused of trying to ruin thier lives. She ended up in Japan working in yakuza "coffee shops" for 3 years. When they felt she was all used up they then turned her over to the Japanese police, after stealing all of her savings, and she was deported with only the cloths on her back. She drank a bottle of floor cleaner the following week in Bangkok, ended up in hospital, and then finished the job on herself soon after. Both of these women were truly kind souls, and innocent victims, of horrible men who felt they could do as they please and that society would look the other way. As I see it locals, are just as bad as anyone else anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katyusha Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Child sex offenders are disgusting and revolting anywhere, and all deserve their due, no matter what their nationality. Execution should be the mandatory punishment for paedophilia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk_mike Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Child sex offenders are disgusting and revolting anywhere, and all deserve their due, no matter what their nationality. Execution should be the mandatory punishment for paedophilia. Personally - I prefer castration as a mandatory punishment for paedophilia (and rape), although you'd have to be careful when wording any law with a mandatory sentence so that the 14 year old boy with a 13 year old girlfriend isn't handled the same as a 40 year old pervert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siam Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If he had a criminal record before coming to Los why was he not stopped from entering?Or can crims just go where they please? Sickening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeque Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Read the book "Sex Slaves " by Louise Brown. Look at the inside front cover. She clearly states that under-age prostitution is Asian - not foreign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun ? Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 No doubt an IT Manger pal. When are these countries going to take away passports from these sicko's. They need to sue the countries letting these criminals travel on government sponsored documents (passport). Does it not take permission from the courts for previous criminals to travel out of a certain area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 "under-age prostitution is Asian - not foreign. " I don’t understand what you are saying??? How did you manage to read the book? Ok do people just write for writings sake or what why write something confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 It does seem like a lot of these cases are coming out of Chiang Mai... at least these highly publicized cases are. What's up with that, Ajarn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Local problem is very eveident if you have spent time with locals and lived with them and gained enough trust for them to reveal the truth about their lives.I was married to a girl who was forced from her home at the age of 11. Her mother's boyfriend was sexually abusing her while the mother was at work. When I asked her why he felt he could do that and get away with it the explanation was this: Mom was at work, we were alone and so he did what he wanted. He knew that if she told her mom that her mom would look the other way so as not to loose him. Given the fact that this guy is a real sc*m bag on all accounts(I have met him) I just couldn't see why her mom would do that. She then informed me that a woman her mother's age may not ever find another boyfriend. And so it went until she ran away at 13 and found work in Patpong. Her mom then had 2 boys and god only knows what their sorrid stories are by now. I had a girl friend, prior to meeting my wife, who also suffered such abuse at the age of 14 or 15, at the hands of her older brother and his friends. When I asked her about it she said she would be tied to a tree near the house and raped repeatredly while her parents were away form home. If she would have told she would not have been believed and accused of trying to ruin thier lives. She ended up in Japan working in yakuza "coffee shops" for 3 years. When they felt she was all used up they then turned her over to the Japanese police, after stealing all of her savings, and she was deported with only the cloths on her back. She drank a bottle of floor cleaner the following week in Bangkok, ended up in hospital, and then finished the job on herself soon after. Both of these women were truly kind souls, and innocent victims, of horrible men who felt they could do as they please and that society would look the other way. As I see it locals, are just as bad as anyone else anywhere. Yes, I have to agree with you, because many of my interviews with local women have confirmed the same. There are also research reports by respectable sources including UNICEF that have been able to place an estimate of 30-50 percent of SEA children that have been affected by local abuse. To be fair, there are local organizations that are working hard and quietly on the issue of local abuse, but the social/political/legal and cultural framework in which they work is a dangerous one. As I said on a much earlier thread, there is one such organization in Chiang Rai which recevies death threats. Sexual abuse and abusive behaviour exists everywhere, but the frameworks and norms within these frameworks are different. I am disgusted that sexual abuse of women and children is still considered a norm here in SEA. I would like to do something about it, but alas, I am a foreigner, and therefore suspect. Eljeque: I like the book by Louise Brown, but some of her statements are not substantiated properly, which unfortunately leaves her open to dismissal too easily. There are a group of books (including hers) and research reports taken as a whole which are much more effective in making her point, I think. I have been researching this steadily for 2 years now, and am pissed off about it a lot. I am in the process of figuring out how I can do something about this issue in a constructive manner. I have some ideas. If there is anyone else out there who is thinking along similar lines please email me if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. BOOZER Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I wonder if this 'Nonce' will receive the same sort of 'hospitality' in a Thai jail as he would in a British one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HONKY TONK Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I WAS IN TOKYO IN 1996. THE AGE OF CONSENT WAS 12 THEN. FACT . SO IF THIS MAN HAD COMMITED THESE ACTS IN TOKYO IT WOULD BE LEGIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. BOOZER Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Yes. maybe, but this is Thailand and it is not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castelleone Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Being a farang I am so ashamed of these many cases of which only tyo recently came to light again. First that madman from Germany who infected a big number of young girls. From what I hear he will be deported back to his homecountry and there is what he did only a minor crime. For the time being he is giving interviews to magazines and most probably even making money out of it. Why for heavens sake can the Thai law not take care of that bugger? And now that Brit with his sex slave. No wonder that we farangs do have such a bad reputation all over the world in countries where one can live his bad habits. I could simply cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 "under-age prostitution is Asian - not foreign. " I don’t understand what you are saying??? How did you manage to read the book? Ok do people just write for writings sake or what? Why write something so confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeach Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 @ castellone what do you know about german law? i guess nothing at all... it's considered attempted manslaughter or at least sex with minors and heavily punished there. germany and thailand are having a treaty to prosecute paedophiles as hard as when it would have happened in germany. please don't spread bullshit like your "hearsay" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarka Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 hi... agree with most of the comments... but how can this guy stay in thailand? did he have a work permit or just a tourist ? anyway whatever paperwork he had, how come the authorities let him in, he was known to be a bad egg! even more so, how come he still had a passport! .... and how many more of them are lurking in the shadows! for all of you who complain about tougher rules and regulations for foreigners wanting to stay in thailand.... this is just one more reason why.. amarka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtualtraveller Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 This is a big dilemma in Chiang Mai, because there are plenty of very poor Hilltribe people and children who end up on the streets and get sucked in by a mafia who force them to sell flowers. These people are exploitable and exploited. They also have been taught nothing about morals and come from a background where there is no law saying what age you can have sex, in fact many are married off very young or are running away from such a fate. These people are so poor and desperate they will do anything to get money, and when a paedophile comes along - bingo, you have a perfect match. The big problem is, the children see nothing wrong with what they are doing, and though they may not be consenting to sex for enjoyment they certainly do relish the financial rewards and therefore tend to keep quiet about what's going on for fear of losing their gravy train. Obviously this calls for some serious social worker input and the Thai authorities and police afford very little priority to Hill tribes, whom many see as a lower 'caste' and 'non-citizens' (indeed a lot of the abused are refugees from Burma). Much that Paedophilia is deplorable, this is a complex issue that requires understanding of the background. Yes the Paedophiles need to be nailed and clear messages should be sent out, but where's there's supply and demand the problem will persist. I recently got involved in a case where a rumour about paedophiles targeting a certain massage shop outside of which young flowers selling girls gathered, threatened the future of the shop. Yes some of the flower girls were involved with an identified paedophile but the shop itself was a charity that provided work to young hilltribe women in order to keep the out of prostitution. Shop was extending its charitable services (mainly food and a TV lounge) to the flower girls and unwittingly got implicated. A US Law enforcement officer was involved, local media jumped to conclusions that the shop owner was 'selling sex with young girls' - it was all mixed up, luckily I was able to clear the well meaning shop owner and get a signed ID of the Paedophile for the law enforcement guy. These things need to be considered. More about CHiang Mai at www.1stopchiangmai.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darknight Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Yes. maybe, but this is Thailand and it is not! Maybe i would change your avatar Boozer. It looks like an Ex (ped's) avatar on here. Maybe you would be mistaken for the same person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumber Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Interesting. Your posts show that Thailand is a paradise for pedophiles. By the way, what are you doing in Thailand, you the numerous foreign male and female residents one can see everywhere? It is surprising that Thailand that is decried so much for its sexual freedom should attract you? Aren't there plenty of puritanical places in the world where you'd be happier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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